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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:17:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kanati: I don't think anyone here will disagree with the fact that a space was needed for something other than girl scouts, but why couldn't it be its own thing instead of trying to co-opt an existing, all male organization? The purpose of the action wasn't to create the space you've sought, but rather to destroy ours. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kanati: Originally Posted By Snallygaster: Dissenting Opinion here. My daughter has been in an all girl BSA (or whatever) troop for a few years. She has learned skills like campfire cooking, rifle shooting, swimming, and is in a leadership position. They have fun outdoor activities that gets her away from social media. The scoutmasters are all current and retired military. There are a lot more rules than there were when I was a a scout, but so far, there hasn't been anything woke. I would pull her out if it gets too leftist. The alternate would be to sit around and talk about empowerment while selling cookies. The purpose of the action wasn't to create the space you've sought, but rather to destroy ours. I understand what you are saying and respect your opinion. I cannot answer to the hierarchy's decision-making process which led to this point. Many of the issues in BSA stemmed from the pedophiles who became scoutmasters several years back, not necessarily the accommodation of allowing girls in. The girls' troop does occasionally attend a camporee with boy troops but they camp separately. Otherwise, there is little interaction with the boy troops in the area and any young lad who wishes to join scouting has ample opportunity to do so. If there were other opportunities, we would certainly would have explored them but scouting in its current form (for better or worse) provided the best chance for the girls to learn solid outdoor and leadership skills. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:18:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grunteled: Conservatives don't do that. They just walk away from everything with a muttered "fuck (thing)". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grunteled: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Is there an alternative version? Conservatives don't do that. They just walk away from everything with a muttered "fuck (thing)". Generally true, but incorrect in this case. It's called 'Trail Life.' The reason I haven't joined is that I'm not religious, and their website makes it look like a very religious organization. That's not going to be a problem for 95%+ of conservatives, though. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:20:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Notcalifornialegal]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grunteled: Conservatives don't do that. They just walk away from everything with a muttered "fuck (thing)". Cutting losses is a thing. Boy Scouts is too far gone and cannot be effectively reformed. It's better to let a new organization arise and I say this as an Eagle Scout, and former board member. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:23:15 PM EDT
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Disappointments me Big Time...But my user name will live as long as I do...
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USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:24:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gearjammer351: Generally true, but incorrect in this case. It's called 'Trail Life.' The reason I haven't joined is that I'm not religious, and their website makes it look like a very religious organization. That's not going to be a problem for 95%+ of conservatives, though. Same problem I have. Neither I nor my family is particularly religious, and as much as “Trail Life” is appealing as a “what Boy Scouts is supposed to be” option, the heavy dose of religion would make it awkward for my son. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:25:12 PM EDT
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The left cannot create, only destroy and they have utterly destroyed the Boy Scouts.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:26:45 PM EDT
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Sign of the times.
Just another of the ongoing attacks on masculinity and the destruction of the core values of a civilized society. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:40:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crwdplsr: Hopefully the BSA will just collapse from low interest I believe low interest is at least partially why they accepted girls as members to begin with. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:44:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UV18: My wife hated Girl Scouts and always fought to go with the den leader (mom) and the boys on the Boy Scout events. She said the boys always did much cooler stuff and would have preferred it over selling cookies, sewing, and social events. One Scout troop we sponsor through an outdoors non-profit has about 33% girls in it. No pussification and different treatment than what i experienced. I have seen no ill effects from it. My wife was in Girl Scouts and hated the Suzie Homemaker aspects of it compared to the Boy Scouts where we got to camp and do all the cool outdoors stuff that BSA was known for. I was never opposed to letting girls join so they could have the same experiences and learn the same skills we did, I just didn't think it would be co-opted by the left in doing so...  I became an Eagle Scout in 1998 and haven't been back as an adult, aside from a few years when my son was a Cub Scout. He wasn't really into it and I didn't push him, so he quit after a few years. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:45:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ben]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gearjammer351: This thread reminded me of this, and I was just about to go look for it. I need to get out more, anyway. Can I bring my 10 year old boy to this? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gearjammer351: Originally Posted By Ben: Www.americanpioneercorps.org This thread reminded me of this, and I was just about to go look for it. I need to get out more, anyway. Can I bring my 10 year old boy to this? If you're directly supervising him, then possibly depending on the agenda for that day. It is geared primarily towards teens and up, but plenty of people bring smaller children. The issue you may run into is whether a 10 year old can physically keep up with what is going on. For example "We are going to rock climb today, but we have to walk 4 miles up this mountain trail to the site." |
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USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:48:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jtskier11: I can only imagine what other "skills" they will be teaching now. I suppose now they are gonna fuck with Eagle Scout and ranks as a whole and destroy what they meant and the path to achieve them. The left has killed everything.............. Surprised the Girl Scouts name didnt hit the chopping block first. Guess its next? Thankfully there are other ways to make sure your son doesn't get laid before age 30 than Eagle Scout. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:48:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MaverickH1: For those of us who don't want to click on the article, what are they changing the name to? Young Communists League, of course. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:51:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: Why would I throw mine away? It was from a time when it was a good organization. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: Originally Posted By -Kyuss-: Now where is all my Eagle Scout shit, the trash can is only partially full right now. Why would I throw mine away? It was from a time when it was a good organization. If it still fits, start your own troop. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:51:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: If you're directly supervising him, then possibly depending on the agenda for that day. It is geared primarily towards teens and up, but plenty of people being smaller children. The issue you may run into is whether a 10 year old can physically keep up with what is going on. For example "We are going to rock climb today, but we have to walk 4 miles up this mountain trail to the site." This is why APC is not a replacement for Boy Scouts. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:52:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gearsmithy: Are they keeping the girlscouts or merging the two? Last I heard they let girls into the boyscouts but boys couldn't join the girlscouts. Now they're nuking boyscouts which effectively makes them 2 girlscouts. what a fucking joke This. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:52:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kanati: They're still allowed their spaces. You're just denied yours.  Yep. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:53:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zephyr: I'm in a hotel this week where their convention is happening. There are thousands of them, must cost them a fortune, it's a really nice hotel. I would say it's about 90% 50+ gray haired white guys. You are going to make a fortune from this convention. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:55:39 PM EDT
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I stopped donating to BSA years ago when they started encouraging gay dudes to become scoutmasters. That was the line for me.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:55:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Snallygaster: I understand what you are saying and respect your opinion. I cannot answer to the hierarchy's decision-making process which led to this point. Many of the issues in BSA stemmed from the pedophiles who became scoutmasters several years back, not necessarily the accommodation of allowing girls in. The girls' troop does occasionally attend a camporee with boy troops but they camp separately. Otherwise, there is little interaction with the boy troops in the area and any young lad who wishes to join scouting has ample opportunity to do so. If there were other opportunities, we would certainly would have explored them but scouting in its current form (for better or worse) provided the best chance for the girls to learn solid outdoor and leadership skills. No you have no idea then what issues led the BSA to this point and allowing girls into the boys scouts WAS a step of it. It started with allowing homosexual leaders and scouts. Which in turn led to sane minded boys and their responsible parents to opt not to allow their sons to remain in scouts. Also causing a lot of angst among latter day saint troops that made up a large percentage of boy scouts. Then some genius MBA type thought hey we can invite girls into the boy scouts (never mind they already were in scouts via venturing) to increase membership and revenue. So they allowed mixed gender scouting (and don't tout the BS line but they aren't mixed troops because they very well become that when put into practice). Well guess what they started hemorrhaging numbers again and the LDS completely pulled out of BSA. Revenue went down yet again and dues went up yet again and then the settlement dealing with the pedo stuff occurs and dues go up again and local councils are forces to sell real property such as camps to pay the butcher's bill for National Councils and once again membership goes down so some MBA at HQ once again looks for some solution to be all inclusive and welcoming the rainbow crowd thinking it will raise revenue and membership numbers thus we get Scouting USA. This all started prior to the girl troops but it is a very real part of the problem that all stemmed from straying from their core mission of preparing young men to be leaders. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:56:20 PM EDT
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Former Den Leader, Cubmaster, Troop Founder, Scoutmaster, all the things...
My son made Eagle and my middle daughter had no interest so I thought I was done. But my youngest daughter joined the local girls Troop and loves it. Now I've been drug back in as Advancements Coordinator. I see very little difference in Scouts now vs. 10 years ago. Same basic program, no wokeness that I have seen. I'm happy with the changes, and so is my Scout. Looking forward to Summer Camp at Daniel Boone! |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:59:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sawgunner73: This is why APC is not a replacement for Boy Scouts. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sawgunner73: Originally Posted By Ben: If you're directly supervising him, then possibly depending on the agenda for that day. It is geared primarily towards teens and up, but plenty of people being smaller children. The issue you may run into is whether a 10 year old can physically keep up with what is going on. For example "We are going to rock climb today, but we have to walk 4 miles up this mountain trail to the site." This is why APC is not a replacement for Boy Scouts. Maybe not a replacement for "Boy Scouts of America" as an organization, but Cub Scouts wasn't even a thing as a part of BSA until the 1930s. APC was never meant to replace Cub Scouts. We don't have the resources to do so, and in the foreseeable future probably won't. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:59:42 PM EDT
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This stinks. I don’t like it but as a father of a son in the cub scouts it provides one of the few remaining organizations outside of our church that teach traditional values, respect for God and country, and so on. Our local pack is filled with great dads many of whom are red blooded Americans. This trend drives me crazy but it’s the times we live in and abandoning the last few worthwhile organizations over stuff like this will leave many of us with nothing in their place.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:02:54 PM EDT
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I'm in a rural county and the local troop has a Scout Mistress. My neighbor (early 70s) was the Scout Master for decades and just stepped down a few years ago. He continues to help escort the kids through the Eagle Scout Project process (in fact, we just talked about one of those this morning.)
This will not happen to the Girl Scouts. Only All Things Male are under attack. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:03:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 57fairlane: Scouting America |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:04:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lou_Daks]
[#25]
In this new name - Scouts BSA - what does the "B" stand for?
Serious Q. ETA - Nevermind. Scouts BSA is what they are now, Scouting America is what they will become. Per the article. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:06:03 PM EDT
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Why dont we promote changing GIRL SCOUTS???
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USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:06:17 PM EDT
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The girls are not the problem. I don't blame them for not wanting to be part of Girl Scouts, which is just a front for a cookie company. No, I don't think it was good for Boy Scouts, but is what it is.
THE single biggest problem in Scouts is the number of men and fathers that are happy to sit at home while their wife takes the kids to Scouts. The number of men that are completely incapable of pitching a tent is staggering, never mind being able to use a compass and map. It is pathetic. To make matters worse, I know of a couple of arfcommers that are in this boat.  Maybe Ben and APC can take over training adults. 
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:06:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grumpalicious: So can someone else now use the name Boy Scouts of America? Cuz that would be epic. BSA (I am not changing it to the new abortion of a name) would sue the shit our of them. They have a whole long list of names that they have been granted trademarks for and just about anything with the word scout is trademarked by them. http://licensingbsa.org/trademarks/ |
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USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:08:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gilly: I believe low interest is at least partially why they accepted girls as members to begin with. That was what the MBAs and the female HR lawyer (with zero scouting experience) who they appointed as their national director of “culture” decided to do. They convinced themselves and the organization to open it to girls, rather than even attempting to grapple with any number of questions that should have preceded such a move, such as: - Why were numbers declining? - Is it just competition for time with other activities? Perceptions about BSA not being cool? - Does it actually matter if the program shrinks, or are we so egotistical and protective of our central office grift that we’ll fundamentally alter/destroy the program to preserve ourselves? - Will allowing girls to join actually result in a net gain? How many girls actually would join, versus how many boys leave or never join because we did this? They REALLY did not think about any of this, especially that last one. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:09:18 PM EDT
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Leftists had to destroy it. They can't have a paramilitary organization teaching young males values and life skills!
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:10:09 PM EDT
[#31]
It's almost like if one lets women in all the institutions, the institutions become feminine
 After all the institutions crash there will just be some real cowboys that never had to go through the program that were just taught by their daddies. That'll be the new ruling class. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:10:45 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOh shit lol They could next evolve into Super Scouts or some shit lol |
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USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:11:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YoungPatriot: This stinks. I don’t like it but as a father of a son in the cub scouts it provides one of the few remaining organizations outside of our church that teach traditional values, respect for God and country, and so on. Our local pack is filled with great dads many of whom are red blooded Americans. This trend drives me crazy but it’s the times we live in and abandoning the last few worthwhile organizations over stuff like this will leave many of us with nothing in their place. It’s not a worthwhile organization anymore, and its values are not traditional anymore. That’s the whole problem. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:18:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ridinshotgun]
[#34]
OH and to add fuel to the fire the scuttlebutt is that they are also renaming the shooting sports program and the shooting sports merit badges due to the negative connotation. Yeah wokeism has nothing to do with this.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:22:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:22:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 57fairlane: Scouting America That doesn’t seem inclusive to all the foreigners the Democrats are flooding this country with. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:25:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 57fairlane: In for the true Kool-Aid drinkers who claim "MY BSA TROOP DOESN'T SUBSCRIBE TO THE PARENT ORG DEI DECREES!!!" Writing has been on the wall for years now . . . everyone in TrailLife tried to tell yall  Attached File |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:26:18 PM EDT
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I haven't read all of the pages of comments, but I think they should just merge the two .ORGs together and call it B&GSA; but I can see where the ultimate goal is make trans-people acceptable, remember they have to start puberty blockers before the onset of puberty for males.
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USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:26:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ridinshotgun: OH and to add fuel to the fire the scuttlebutt is that they are also renaming the shooting sports program and the shooting sports merit badges due to the negative connotation. Yeah wokeism has nothing to do with this. Symptoms of the cultural rot. When you have national “leadership” consisting of female HR lawyers and MBAs that can’t even grasp the basic mission of the organization, and open the BOY scouts to girls, things like the DEI merit badge and pussifying things like shooting activities and awards are just windowdressing. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:30:29 PM EDT
[#40]
BSA has been dying for decades. This might be the only way to keep them afloat. Even in the 80's when I was in you could see which way the winds were blowing and "DEI" wasn't the problem.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:31:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WildBoar]
[#41]
I blame men. Or lack of their presence in scouting.
I noticed more and more over the years there were less fathers present and more women. Women in Boy Scout Troops babying their boys all the way up at all camping events were women scoutmasters that brought daughters too and had them do stuff to include them. In fact when I went to my nephew's Eagle Scout ceremony almost all in leadership were women and the dads were either absent or useless. This was before the out in the open woke shit or allowing girls. In a way I applaud the women for stepping up because the men were too useless. But I also blame them for the amount of babying I saw |
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USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:34:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dbrowne1]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WildBoar: I blame men. Or lack of their presence in scouting. I noticed more and more over the years there were less fathers present and more women. Women in Boy Scout Troops babying their boys all the way up. In fact when I went to my nephew's Eagle Scout ceremony almost all in leadership.werw women and the dads were either absent or useless. So have the men abdicated, or were they pushed out by pushy moms? Honest question. I have always been heavily involved in outdoor and sports activities (including coaching) for my son. If Boy Scouts were what it used to be, I’d be involved in that too. I can’t be alone here. Maybe there’s something to the idea of simply not allowing women to be involved. Don’t even make it an option. Force men to step up to the plate. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:36:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WildBoar: I blame men. Or lack of their presence in scouting. I noticed more and more over the years there were less fathers present and more women. Women in Boy Scout Troops babying their boys all the way up al osr all camping events were women scoutmaster s that brought daughters too and had them do stuff to include them. In fact when I went to my nephew's Eagle Scout ceremony almost all in leadership were women and the dads were either absent or useless. This was before the out in the open woke shit or allowing girls. But is that a symptom or a cause? I think I know the answer but it always interesting to hear how others see it. Do you want to hear nagging from some woman all the time that no that isn't how you do that? I heard that all the time at events where women took part in a activity. And it wasn't a here let me show you how to do it comment. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:37:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gilly: I believe low interest is at least partially why they accepted girls as members to begin with. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:39:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: None of my friends had their kids in scouts. Sports have seen to have replaced that. There were still scouting trips around but I didn't know anyone who had their boys in them, including people I hunted with That was one of the reasons proffered for why participation in scouts declined. More emphasis on sports. But there have always been sports, and girls play sports too at roughly the same rate. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:45:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ridinshotgun]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbrowne1: That was one of the reasons proffered for why participation in scouts declined. More emphasis on sports. But there have always been sports, and girls play sports too at roughly the same rate. Interestingly enough I was talking to someone who has kids both in scouts and sports recently and they offered that it is now cheaper for their kids to participate in sports then it is scouts now with the increased membership dues, increased uniform costs, increased camping fees (including new gear), summer camp fees, and even now having to pay to participate in merit badge colleges. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:48:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ridinshotgun: Interestingly enough I was talking to someone who has kids both in scouts and sports recently and they offered that it is now cheaper for their kids to participate in sports then it is scouts now with the increased membership dues, increased uniform costs, increased camping fees, summer camp fees, and even now having to pay to participate in merit badge colleges. They must have some really cheap sports or some really expensive scout shit going on. WTF is a “merit badge college?” |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:50:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ridinshotgun]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbrowne1: They must have some really cheap sports or some really expensive scout shit going on. WTF is a “merit badge college?” Usually put together by a district or council to offer a slew of merit badges all at once. Usually offered over the course of a weekend or two. ETA and really how much does it cost for a kid to play school sports. I mean yeah if you do private club travel sports but school stuff yeah I can see it costing less than scouts. It ain't like when we were scouts and you could get a sleeping bag for $25 or a new pair of hiking boots for $50 at some place like Campmor or other local place. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:53:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ulster]
[#49]
Philmont 1977....this make me sad.
The America I grew up in is gone. Scouts is the reason I carry so much shit in my Jeep...being prepared. 
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Posted: 5/7/2024 4:55:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ridinshotgun: Usually put together by a district or council to offer a slew of merit badges all at once. Usually offered over the course of a weekend or two. Ah. The professionally pencil-whipped merit badge factory model of mass-produced Eagle Scouts. |
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