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NV, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2024 5:07:22 AM EST
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And the urban perspective on PDW carry - shockingly effective.
 Conceal Carrying AK And AR Pistols (DRACO 762 Extar 556/223) |
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USA
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Posted: 6/16/2024 5:08:27 AM EST
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 I have had this for a while now. I can take the can off to make it a little more concealable if needed. I am pretty interested in the PSA x57 when it gets here but I don’t think it will be around for this years spicy season. Also interested in the 10mm and 45 stribogs. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 5:09:15 AM EST
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I've found that U210s in a First Spear Slick carrier disappear under a sweater.
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Posted: 6/16/2024 5:50:56 AM EST
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Posted: 6/16/2024 5:55:02 AM EST
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Posted: 6/16/2024 6:11:18 AM EST
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Posted: 6/16/2024 6:36:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaveM4P99: .556? That's less than 1mm diameter. What is this? A gun for ants?? Lol. It's 5.56mm Or .223 caliber. And yeah...5.56 out of a 4.5" barrel is pointless. Might as well be shooting .22 magnum. I've got a 7.5" 5.56 pistol but it's more for fun. Even 7.5" is pretty low velocity. Still 55grn at about 2k FPS. Close to 500 FPE, more than 5.7 |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2024 6:51:44 AM EST
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My issue with PDW carry is deployment speed. Thats why it would either be a backup, or be in 2 parts
Option 1 where the chassis is in the bag and the firearm is on the hip. Instant use requirement met by drawing handgun, then if you get a second get the brace out. Option 2 where the pdw is seperate firearm to sidearm. Like carrying an mp5 in a bag |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 7:01:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: https://i.imgur.com/QiQdkio.jpg This is a great description. I personally see the value and it's a spectrum like above. For the more compact PDW's in more standard pistol calibers, their value is in the form-factor. Extra points of contact, larger standard capacity magazines, a little heavier for more accurate, rapid-fire capabilities and a little easier for mounting optics, lights, and a sling for single or hands-free maneuvering. I think the rifle-caliber PDWs, while larger, are still a great system that can actually fill a rifle role out to 100-150 meters. Very effective if the environment escalates severely.        All are much easier to travel with. While none are a replacement for your CCW, they do offer a lot more advantages when put into action and drills. ROCK6 |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 7:06:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LineOfDeparture: This is why 7.5 inch ar-10s exist. Sir, this is a pdw thread. The “guns that are also technically war crimes” thread is next week. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 7:06:46 AM EST
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Picked this up on the EE earlier this year. My favorite shooter of late. Waiting on an Obsidian 9 for her too
 
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Posted: 6/16/2024 7:18:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: Austin4130]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JaredGrey: Anyone have experience with a Recover Tactical braced chassis? I see that they are available, and my interest is piqued. @JaredGrey Cost to effectiveness ratio is very high. Ergos could be 10% better, but… Quick to deploy, reliable since it’s a Glock, and with chassis mounted dot its lights out accurate Also, single Allen fastener to go back to regular old Glock in about 20 seconds |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2024 7:33:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: bluedog82]
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MS, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2024 7:42:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: Glocked]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Austin4130: @JaredGrey Cost to effectiveness ratio is very high. Ergos could be 10% better, but… Quick to deploy, reliable since it’s a Glock, and with chassis mounted dot its lights out accurate Also, single Allen fastener to go back to regular old Glock in about 20 seconds Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Austin4130: Originally Posted By JaredGrey: Anyone have experience with a Recover Tactical braced chassis? I see that they are available, and my interest is piqued. @JaredGrey Cost to effectiveness ratio is very high. Ergos could be 10% better, but… Quick to deploy, reliable since it’s a Glock, and with chassis mounted dot its lights out accurate Also, single Allen fastener to go back to regular old Glock in about 20 seconds The butt stock makes it a bit better as far as ergonomics go. Cool thing about it, you can go from stock to brace or brace to stock in about 30 seconds. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 7:44:48 AM EST
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Originally Posted By 74novaman: Last version of this thread got archived. But with the release of the 365 flux raider, another thread got me inspired to restart the topic because I think it's a useful one. So to get some boilerplate out of the way: I know, I know, pedantic Phil. A PDW has to be full auto to be a “real” PDW. If you have actual full auto stuff, awesome. Flex on the poors and you're right...full auto>semi auto. For the rest of us, what the heck is a Personal Defense Weapon, or a Civilian PDW? I'll link some youtuber videos below, but from the last thread: something with more capacity or capability than your EDC pistol that can still be concealed easier than a rifle. A 10.3" mk18 SBR wouldn't really make the cut as a "PDW" because even a 10" AR is too big to easily conceal in something like a standard backpack. A 10.3" AR with a law folder probably barely fits the definition, though it's really at the extreme of both size and weight for the category. Mostly this is going to be stuff like short barrel pccs, chassis/brace'd handguns, sig rattler, etc. So whats the use case? In the first version of this thread someone came up with the phrase "medium spicy" and I think its a perfect descriptor. Think uptick in random protests that could turn violent, general slowed emergency service responses, localized natural disaster, whatever, but everyone trying to keep life going as normal. A situation where you still have to get your work and errands done, but the potential for violence is significantly higher than normal. Thats why concealment for pdws is a huge factor. Yeah, you want more performance than just your handgun, but anything big that looks like it could conceal a long gun, much less openly carrying a rifle might get you too much scrutiny by either authorities or bad actors. Regular edc: white suburban housewife spicy Pdws: medium spicy Actual rifles: hot spice Raid the armory and handout the beltfeds: thai spicy And to get the ball rolling and address some of the common arguments about the merits of the concept from the last thread so yall don't have to read 9 pages: I completely get the “its either the edc pistol or an actual rifle” argument from some folks, especially if you train seriously with your pistol. A big advantage in my mind is if I hand my wife a pdw, she goes from “not very useful with a gun” to “might actually stop a threat”. Same with a lot of my non gun friends. Just based on casual range days with gun owning friends who aren't actually "shooters", they suck ass with a pistol but can actually make hits with a mp5k or other pdws. I dont think anyone will argue that pistol rounds are superior to rifle rounds, but most people have an easier time making hits with a pistol caliber pdw than a pistol. Especially for people who do not train or compete with pistol, the difference in ability to make hits that I've seen is significant. The size and weight difference between pistol and rifle pdws is pretty big too. Big enough one might actually get carried/concealed while the other would be left at home. And the pistol pdw in your bag beats the hell out of the rifle at home. There are always tradeoffs but pistol caliber pdws offer a good mix of shootability and concealability that makes them an interesting option for civilian use in those previously mentioned “medium spicy” scenarios. Which is kind of the point of this thread. Feels like a potentially medium spicy year. I'll post videos about the concept and pics of some of my "pdw" options and thoughts on them below but in the meantime enjoy one of the OG PDWs in the most grayman bag you've ever seen.  https://i.imgur.com/3UQEwbt.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/0ki0QBJ.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/aeD6tma.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/6YDyMGz.jpeg Every time I forget that I need a VZ-61 I am once again reminded that I do not have one in my collection. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:03:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JaredGrey: Anyone have experience with a Recover Tactical braced chassis? I see that they are available, and my interest is piqued. @JaredGrey My G17L in one. It works well and didn’t cost too much.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:10:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By 74novaman: Last version of this thread got archived. But with the release of the 365 flux raider, another thread got me inspired to restart the topic because I think it's a useful one. So to get some boilerplate out of the way: I know, I know, pedantic Phil. A PDW has to be full auto to be a “real” PDW. If you have actual full auto stuff, awesome. Flex on the poors and you're right...full auto>semi auto. For the rest of us, what the heck is a Personal Defense Weapon, or a Civilian PDW? I'll link some youtuber videos below, but from the last thread: something with more capacity or capability than your EDC pistol that can still be concealed easier than a rifle. A 10.3" mk18 SBR wouldn't really make the cut as a "PDW" because even a 10" AR is too big to easily conceal in something like a standard backpack. A 10.3" AR with a law folder probably barely fits the definition, though it's really at the extreme of both size and weight for the category. Mostly this is going to be stuff like short barrel pccs, chassis/brace'd handguns, sig rattler, etc. So whats the use case? In the first version of this thread someone came up with the phrase "medium spicy" and I think its a perfect descriptor. Think uptick in random protests that could turn violent, general slowed emergency service responses, localized natural disaster, whatever, but everyone trying to keep life going as normal. A situation where you still have to get your work and errands done, but the potential for violence is significantly higher than normal. Thats why concealment for pdws is a huge factor. Yeah, you want more performance than just your handgun, but anything big that looks like it could conceal a long gun, much less openly carrying a rifle might get you too much scrutiny by either authorities or bad actors. Regular edc: white suburban housewife spicy Pdws: medium spicy Actual rifles: hot spice Raid the armory and handout the beltfeds: thai spicy And to get the ball rolling and address some of the common arguments about the merits of the concept from the last thread so yall don't have to read 9 pages: I completely get the “its either the edc pistol or an actual rifle” argument from some folks, especially if you train seriously with your pistol. A big advantage in my mind is if I hand my wife a pdw, she goes from “not very useful with a gun” to “might actually stop a threat”. Same with a lot of my non gun friends. Just based on casual range days with gun owning friends who aren't actually "shooters", they suck ass with a pistol but can actually make hits with a mp5k or other pdws. I dont think anyone will argue that pistol rounds are superior to rifle rounds, but most people have an easier time making hits with a pistol caliber pdw than a pistol. Especially for people who do not train or compete with pistol, the difference in ability to make hits that I've seen is significant. The size and weight difference between pistol and rifle pdws is pretty big too. Big enough one might actually get carried/concealed while the other would be left at home. And the pistol pdw in your bag beats the hell out of the rifle at home. There are always tradeoffs but pistol caliber pdws offer a good mix of shootability and concealability that makes them an interesting option for civilian use in those previously mentioned “medium spicy” scenarios. Which is kind of the point of this thread. Feels like a potentially medium spicy year. I'll post videos about the concept and pics of some of my "pdw" options and thoughts on them below but in the meantime enjoy one of the OG PDWs in the most grayman bag you've ever seen. https://i.imgur.com/3UQEwbt.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/0ki0QBJ.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/aeD6tma.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/6YDyMGz.jpeg @74novaman I love PDW’s! I have several VZ-61’s. I bought Chinese surplus Type 85 chest rigs and it fits the VZ-61 20 round magazines well. They come with different closure types and I like this one. The side pouches can fit 2 X 50 round boxes of PPU .32ACP ammo.   This is a different closure type that I have on AK chest rigs. Do a search for the best price and type of closure you want. https://www.ebay.com/itm/385155927745?itmmeta=01J0GJE0GHTENDCAKGMZ5PSQCH&hash=item59ad150ec1:g:6x4AAOSwP1ZjP5Ef |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:14:14 AM EST
[Last Edit: Mr-Mockingbird]
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Did all the internal upgrades to my Sub2k and it fits in a CamelBak with a 17 rounder inserted plus 3 33 round stick mags and a can in another pocket.
The water bladder fits in there too so totally inconspicuous unless someone picks the rig up and realizes it's a lot heavier than most CamelBaks Wanting to build up a short AR 9 but I know there's no way I can make one take up less room than the Sub2k And I'm too poor for anything MP5kish So... ETA: gonna look into that 365 raider since that's my daily carry to tho |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:16:18 AM EST
[Last Edit: C-4]
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I have a Bulgarian krinkov but also these two Draco SBRs (Draco and Mini Draco) and a good supply of Hungarian 20-rounder tanker mags.
 
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:16:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ordkhntr: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ordkhntr: Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: Originally Posted By ordkhntr: I've had my eyes on either a 9mm AR pistol or something like th CZ Scorpion. I know someone on here knows, but whats the sweet spot on barrel length for 9mm ballistically speaking? Probably not suppressed Are you going to suppress it? If you haven't watch Henry's take on them in the 9 Hole video I'd start there then watch the others including Brass Facts'. Decide what niche you see or want and go with the largest that will still comfortably fit that idea. In my case, I wanted to try something that would be as light and compact as possible figuring I'd run it suppressed most of the time in that role; obviously it'll shoot whatever and can be removed from the chassis and used as a regular pistol. 147gr 9mm really doesn't gain a lot from extra length but I wanted to ensure it stayed subsonic. If I wasn't planning on suppressing it, didn't mind a longer gun and planned to use supersonic rounds I'd agree with the other poster about 8-9" or so just based on the numbers posted by Ballistics by the Inch (no affiliation): http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html Rock6's pictures give a very good showing of the variety of different guns that people lump into what is obviously pretty loosely defined and variable and I kinda vacillate on whether I'd consider something like the Krink and other short rifles as actual PDWs. Just my opinion based on size and weight and my own take on the role I see for the PDW- that's something you'll have to decide for yourself. Side note, I had an original Kitty Kat upper and sold it as it was not fun to shoot (wish I'd just rebarreled it). The original KK was 7" but at some point I ended up with a 7.5" barrel (I have no idea where I got it) so I stuck it in an extra PSA blem upper. It throws a huge fireball and is jarring to shoot even with double hearing protection and a linear comp. It runs just fine with an H2 buffer and I would trust it if I had to, but it is one of the very last guns I'd grab in an emergency. I can't imagine how bad it would be in a building or vehicle and I don't have a suppressor rated for that short of a barrel; I'm not even sure which ones are. A .300blk makes a lot more sense in that range, but I've been avoiding adding another caliber. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:18:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Austin4130: @JaredGrey Cost to effectiveness ratio is very high. Ergos could be 10% better, but… Quick to deploy, reliable since it’s a Glock, and with chassis mounted dot its lights out accurate Also, single Allen fastener to go back to regular old Glock in about 20 seconds Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Austin4130: Originally Posted By JaredGrey: Anyone have experience with a Recover Tactical braced chassis? I see that they are available, and my interest is piqued. @JaredGrey Cost to effectiveness ratio is very high. Ergos could be 10% better, but… Quick to deploy, reliable since it’s a Glock, and with chassis mounted dot its lights out accurate Also, single Allen fastener to go back to regular old Glock in about 20 seconds Benefits from higher sight line of a red dot. Suppressed it puts the ejection port close enough to your ears that without ear pro you will get some ear slap with conventional baffle suppressors and most ammo will spit back more noticeably so eye pro is absolutely required with a can. Might be a good use case for the newer high flow 9mm cans. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:23:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LineOfDeparture: This is why 7.5 inch ar-10s exist. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/310196/20210911_103938-2086527.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/310196/20210910_175842-2086528.jpg  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:24:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 20229mm: EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Jokes on you! I already have tinnitus. 
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:26:20 AM EST
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Not complete without a good PDW meme!
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:26:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LnWlf: You’d be better going with a handgun caliber at that length. You get the fireball and concussion of 5.56, but the performance of 5.7x28 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LnWlf: Originally Posted By livinfree: I really like this in .556, 4.75” barrel. I know a lot of you think it is too short for .556, but I don’t have to add a caliber I don’t already have. Add sights/optic of your choice. Fits in Jansport backpack. Put whatever lower on it you want, same mags and ammo you already have. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/273029/22F7ECA4-E03B-4369-9C54-ED80BEBD8893_jpe-3242216.JPG You’d be better going with a handgun caliber at that length. You get the fireball and concussion of 5.56, but the performance of 5.7x28 Most people have no idea how bad even 10.3” 5.56 concussion is. Jay at Pew Science has done some measurements. IIRC those were bare muzzles. Choose the wrong muzzle device and you are literally flash banging yourself. |
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MS, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:26:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KalmanPhilter: Benefits from higher sight line of a red dot. Suppressed it puts the ejection port close enough to your ears that without ear pro you will get some ear slap with conventional baffle suppressors and most ammo will spit back more noticeably so eye pro is absolutely required with a can. Might be a good use case for the newer high flow 9mm cans. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KalmanPhilter: Originally Posted By Austin4130: Originally Posted By JaredGrey: Anyone have experience with a Recover Tactical braced chassis? I see that they are available, and my interest is piqued. @JaredGrey Cost to effectiveness ratio is very high. Ergos could be 10% better, but… Quick to deploy, reliable since it’s a Glock, and with chassis mounted dot its lights out accurate Also, single Allen fastener to go back to regular old Glock in about 20 seconds Benefits from higher sight line of a red dot. Suppressed it puts the ejection port close enough to your ears that without ear pro you will get some ear slap with conventional baffle suppressors and most ammo will spit back more noticeably so eye pro is absolutely required with a can. Might be a good use case for the newer high flow 9mm cans. Yea, that’s my only complaint with most of the pistol in chassis systems. It usually puts everything that sucks about suppressed pistol shooting like 3-5” from your face. |
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MS, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:32:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By X-CaptHook: I have one on my Glock 34. I love it. The only thing is, I’m trying to devise some sort of trigger covering so I can carry it with a round in the chamber in a backpack. But it’s definitely well worth the money. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By X-CaptHook: Originally Posted By JaredGrey: Anyone have experience with a Recover Tactical braced chassis? I see that they are available, and my interest is piqued. I have one on my Glock 34. I love it. The only thing is, I’m trying to devise some sort of trigger covering so I can carry it with a round in the chamber in a backpack. But it’s definitely well worth the money. Do you have a local kydex holster maker? It shouldn’t be too expensive to have something like a ripaway trigger cover made. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:36:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: Sir, this is a pdw thread. The “guns that are also technically war crimes” thread is next week. Don't forget to tag me. I may miss it. Putting in a lot of OT lately.
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FM, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:39:41 AM EST
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MP-5k with a trilug can, FA sear pack, telescoping stock, VFG, small RDS and a 20 rd mag loaded with 147gr GD2.
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:41:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: Do you have a local kydex holster maker? It shouldn’t be too expensive to have something like a ripaway trigger cover made. The issue is that I have a light mounted at 9 o’clock along with the forward magazine holder. So I am currently using the Velcro and leather set up as a tear away trigger guard.  Attached File |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:41:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thor: It is kinda a no brainer for me. 18.5” without the can. Usually keep it set for 300blk, but i have a 5.56 barrel for it as well. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/66797/IMG_2738_Copy_jpeg-3242292.JPG Its current config is a little flashy, and 2” longer, but it will still do the job. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/66797/IMG_3647_Copy_jpeg-3242293.JPG Unless one needs something smaller & lighter on their person, a bull pup with decent barrel length makes sense for rifle calibers, in vehicles, guard stations, in camp, space limited roles. Concealment isn’t the only reason for short. The buffer less designs are still pretty convenient with a side folding stock. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:43:29 AM EST
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HK sp5k-pdw.
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:43:37 AM EST
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Tough call for me, do I buy a chassis or just get a B&T ACP or GHM that uses the same magazines as my pistol?
I already have a MP-5 and 9mm AR SBR. Might consider the PSA 5.7 carbine for a lightweight PDW. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:44:49 AM EST
[Last Edit: Badlatitude]
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Smallest thing I have is an 8" glock mag AR-9 with a law folder but I don't really live in pdw country (city, suburbs etc) I usually just throw a rifle on the back seat of the truck under the doggie seat protector thing.
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:48:52 AM EST
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I'm shocked no one has called these " range toys" yet
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MS, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:50:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By X-CaptHook: The issue is that I have a light mounted at 9 o’clock along with the forward magazine holder. So I am currently using the Velcro and leather set up as a tear away trigger guard. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/245270/59B2B597-D9F6-428E-87C4-52DA0F3C764A_jpe-3242428.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By X-CaptHook: Originally Posted By Glocked: Do you have a local kydex holster maker? It shouldn’t be too expensive to have something like a ripaway trigger cover made. The issue is that I have a light mounted at 9 o’clock along with the forward magazine holder. So I am currently using the Velcro and leather set up as a tear away trigger guard. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/245270/59B2B597-D9F6-428E-87C4-52DA0F3C764A_jpe-3242428.JPG Instead of ripping forward like most. Have it rip downwards. You could maybe modify one of Recover’s holsters to be a trigger cover only. I’ve never used mine, so I don’t remember exactly how they’re constructed. 
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:54:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: Bravo_Six]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JaredGrey: Anyone have experience with a Recover Tactical braced chassis? I see that they are available, and my interest is piqued. I have 2. One M&P and one glock that i modded for P80 (before they started making a P80 version). They work OK and the price is right. As for PDWs, I prefer my "Dirt Squirrel". 7.5 inch PSA .300blk upper with a Law folder. It fits in a small backpack and brings a lot of capability. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:58:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By feetpiece: If Ruger wasn't tard'd they'd flood the market with F1 ready AC556K pistols https://150008232.v2.pressablecdn.com//srv/htdocs/wp-content/uploads/images/auctions/320/images/org/44955.jpg That's the first machine gun I bought in 1991. FJ Volmer had them in Shotgun News for $1250. I ordered a new folding stock directly from Ruger and 20/30 round magazines. It was the best of times. 
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Posted: 6/16/2024 8:58:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: Instead of ripping forward like most. Have it rip downwards. You could maybe modify one of Recover’s holsters to be a trigger cover only. I’ve never used mine, so I don’t remember exactly how they’re constructed. https://i.imgur.com/tY7eEag.jpeg Thanks. That’s definitely an option. I’m trying to get it set up just right, so when I unfold the brace, the Velcro pops open. That way it’s all done in one single motion. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 9:00:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By X-CaptHook: The issue is that I have a light mounted at 9 o’clock along with the forward magazine holder. So I am currently using the Velcro and leather set up as a tear away trigger guard. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/245270/59B2B597-D9F6-428E-87C4-52DA0F3C764A_jpe-3242428.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By X-CaptHook: The issue is that I have a light mounted at 9 o’clock along with the forward magazine holder. So I am currently using the Velcro and leather set up as a tear away trigger guard. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/245270/59B2B597-D9F6-428E-87C4-52DA0F3C764A_jpe-3242428.JPG That's the only issue with most of the Glock platforms is the lack of safety or trigger guard. I like that very simple wrap... Originally Posted By cyclone: I'm shocked no one has called these " range toys" yet Even with an optic, your CCW beyond 25 (maybe 50) meters is just a less capable range toy if that's how PDWs are viewed ROCK6 |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 9:01:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thor: It is kinda a no brainer for me. 18.5” without the can. Usually keep it set for 300blk, but i have a 5.56 barrel for it as well. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/66797/IMG_2738_Copy_jpeg-3242292.JPG Its current config is a little flashy, and 2” longer, but it will still do the job. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/66797/IMG_3647_Copy_jpeg-3242293.JPG Who makes that? @Thor |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 9:06:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryShotguns are great for telling and making people fuck off |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 9:07:47 AM EST
[#43]
This is the closest thing I have, the G17 just needs a switch.
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Posted: 6/16/2024 9:10:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: Glocked]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By X-CaptHook: Thanks. That’s definitely an option. I’m trying to get it set up just right, so when I unfold the brace, the Velcro pops open. That way it’s all done in one single motion. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By X-CaptHook: Originally Posted By Glocked: Instead of ripping forward like most. Have it rip downwards. You could maybe modify one of Recover’s holsters to be a trigger cover only. I’ve never used mine, so I don’t remember exactly how they’re constructed. https://i.imgur.com/tY7eEag.jpeg Thanks. That’s definitely an option. I’m trying to get it set up just right, so when I unfold the brace, the Velcro pops open. That way it’s all done in one single motion. Gotcha. I was thinking of something along the lines of securing the trigger cover with paracord or something in the bag so it rips away when you retrieve it from that bag. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 9:26:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: dump1567]
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Posted: 6/16/2024 9:34:32 AM EST
[#46]
Rattler, or equivilent AR pistol with collapsible brace.
I've posted this before, but if you make a load spreader out of a tee and couple of pieces of pvc pipe and insert the muzzle into the tee, it carries very well in a regular pack without showing any outlines or sharp protrusions.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 9:36:53 AM EST
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Posted: 6/16/2024 9:47:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thor: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/66797/IMG_3647_Copy_jpeg-3242293.JPG  |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 9:48:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryCome on O3RN, ARFCOM hates the Shockeave/TAC-13/14…and you should, too. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 9:51:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skydivesnake: Rattler, or equivilent AR pistol with collapsible brace. I've posted this before, but if you make a load spreader out of a tee and couple of pieces of pvc pipe and insert the muzzle into the tee, it carries very well in a regular pack without showing any outlines or sharp protrusions. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/97093/Screenshot_20220712-001701_Gallery_jpg-2-3242552.JPG |
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