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Posted: 6/16/2024 12:40:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sandboxmedic: We have a member here who turned one of the airsoft versions into a functioning Glock version (he can post it if he wants) and I saw a couple of them when I was living in the Philippines that had been converted (actually a number of airsoft guns; overseas airsoft guns are often the same or much closer to the real gun's specs than the ones we get here). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sandboxmedic: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By Rem700PSS: I've run through this a couple times in the past and other than "which PDW do I think is coolest?", I can't come up with a good, practical solution for myself. I'll probably continue the pistol carry because it's hard for me to imagine what more I might need...from a practical standpoint. If we are getting to the point that a legit rifle is needed, I'm carrying that. I don't think we will have a "transitionary period" where a PDW is a gap filling need. If you want the compact rifle - Maxim PDX in .300blk. Solid middle ground when available - PSA 5.7. Best solution not currently available: https://www.gadgetify.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/09/foldable-gun.gif B&T makes some cool stuff but I like their USW kit better.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlbzZyFFF4wWe have a member here who turned one of the airsoft versions into a functioning Glock version (he can post it if he wants) and I saw a couple of them when I was living in the Philippines that had been converted (actually a number of airsoft guns; overseas airsoft guns are often the same or much closer to the real gun's specs than the ones we get here). Interesting. Some of the B&T airsoft stuff is just a little cheaper than the real thing and was wondering how much of a difference it really is since both seem to basically be aluminum and polymer. |
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MS, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2024 12:41:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: I have two esstac double gap Kywis in my truck with 147gr HST. That would 100+1 for my 2011. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Rem700PSS: I've run through this a couple times in the past and other than "which PDW do I think is coolest?", I can't come up with a good, practical solution for myself. I'll probably continue the pistol carry because it's hard for me to imagine what more I might need...from a practical standpoint. If we are getting to the point that a legit rifle is needed, I'm carrying that. I don't think we will have a "transitionary period" where a PDW is a gap filling need. 100% agree It's either Boogaloo time or it's not Some of the time though, it’s just a random day, and you have to travel to one of your nearby shitholes. In my case, that would be Jackson, New Orleans, or Mobile. Filling specific roles in between pistols and a legit rifle is something manufacturers have been trying to perfect for 100 or so years. When the KAC PDW died, so did the concept of a PDW to me. With enough money and handjobs for favors you could probably source the parts to build your own, maybe.  I have two esstac double gap Kywis in my truck with 147gr HST. That would 100+1 for my 2011. You can have that 100+1 of 9mm fired from a weapon with a stock, foregrip, bigger optic and suppressor in a phone book size bag. Where a full size rifle will likely be at home. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 12:51:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Interesting. Some of the B&T airsoft stuff is just a little cheaper than the real thing and was wondering how much of a difference it really is since both seem to basically be aluminum and polymer. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By Rem700PSS: I've run through this a couple times in the past and other than "which PDW do I think is coolest?", I can't come up with a good, practical solution for myself. I'll probably continue the pistol carry because it's hard for me to imagine what more I might need...from a practical standpoint. If we are getting to the point that a legit rifle is needed, I'm carrying that. I don't think we will have a "transitionary period" where a PDW is a gap filling need. If you want the compact rifle - Maxim PDX in .300blk. Solid middle ground when available - PSA 5.7. Best solution not currently available: https://www.gadgetify.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/09/foldable-gun.gif B&T makes some cool stuff but I like their USW kit better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlbzZyFFF4wWe have a member here who turned one of the airsoft versions into a functioning Glock version (he can post it if he wants) and I saw a couple of them when I was living in the Philippines that had been converted (actually a number of airsoft guns; overseas airsoft guns are often the same or much closer to the real gun's specs than the ones we get here). Interesting. Some of the B&T airsoft stuff is just a little cheaper than the real thing and was wondering how much of a difference it really is since both seem to basically be aluminum and polymer. You have to look at it and see what it fits- some airsoft stuff is closer to "real steel" as they call it than other stuff. As for the parts, I'm not saying some of the Fortis airsoft seems to be the same as their other stuff, I'm sure it's not, and I definitely wouldn't tell you it works on a .22 AR, but it might. I hear the CAA Roni chassis work on some of the real guns too. That B&T Chassis for airsoft is "Glass fiber infused polymer construction"; no idea how it would hold up to a real gun but certain things I do not want near my head and a slide reciprocating towards my face in a chassis not rated for actual guns is one of them. There are people that posts all kinds of crazy stuff on reddit though I hear. 
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Posted: 6/16/2024 1:08:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: You can have that 100+1 of 9mm fired from a weapon with a stock, foregrip, bigger optic and suppressor in a phone book size bag. Where a full size rifle will likely be at home. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Rem700PSS: I've run through this a couple times in the past and other than "which PDW do I think is coolest?", I can't come up with a good, practical solution for myself. I'll probably continue the pistol carry because it's hard for me to imagine what more I might need...from a practical standpoint. If we are getting to the point that a legit rifle is needed, I'm carrying that. I don't think we will have a "transitionary period" where a PDW is a gap filling need. 100% agree It's either Boogaloo time or it's not Some of the time though, it’s just a random day, and you have to travel to one of your nearby shitholes. In my case, that would be Jackson, New Orleans, or Mobile. Filling specific roles in between pistols and a legit rifle is something manufacturers have been trying to perfect for 100 or so years. When the KAC PDW died, so did the concept of a PDW to me. With enough money and handjobs for favors you could probably source the parts to build your own, maybe. I have two esstac double gap Kywis in my truck with 147gr HST. That would 100+1 for my 2011. You can have that 100+1 of 9mm fired from a weapon with a stock, foregrip, bigger optic and suppressor in a phone book size bag. Where a full size rifle will likely be at home. To your point, actually more. My 9mm SBR takes glock mags and I keep two in the truck. If I did 4 it would be 165+1 It's not like I don't have one  Pew Pew Pew Ting Ting Ting |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 1:20:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: feudist]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: I think many believe PDW/PCCs are trying to be a do-all Swiss Army knifes. Instead of a dedicated tool for an extremely specific limited use. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By 74novaman: Originally Posted By Rem700PSS: If we are getting to the point that a legit rifle is needed, I'm carrying that. I don't think we will have a "transitionary period" where a PDW is a gap filling need. You're on Montana? You may be right out there. During the Floyd riots cops who couldn't or wouldn't stop the mobs had no problem hassling normal people carrying rifles. If anything I think what you call a "transitory" period is becoming our new normal as millions come across the border, the economy continues to be meh and we all have to pretend everything is groovy. People arent going to take up rifles and fight back, but they will have to go to work or run errands in areas that have been ceded entirely to clown world. I think many believe PDW/PCCs are trying to be a do-all Swiss Army knifes. Instead of a dedicated tool for an extremely specific limited use. If it's pictured as a general purpose micro-carbine that does most of what your AR15 will do...it's very expensive, a few inches shorter, mostly as bulky and ends up in the "so what?" category. If you believe that you can handle everything with your Roland Special analog within and beyond normal handgun engagement ranges, again, why bother? If it's a binary Boog or Not scenario in your mind, yet again, it's hard to see the use case. These are perfectly legitimate positions. Location, lifestyle and other conditions may moot it altogether. And supplementing your EDC by pressing your carbine into service would likely answer for most contingencies. But if you think of it in terms of amplifying the capability of a handgun across normal and extended handgun ranges while gaining a great deal of portability and at least plausible casual concealment, then there is something to explore. I think the ability to have the gun with you, employ it...and then instantly re-mask it to drop your profile in a dismounted scenario has real value. Think of the Rittenhouse incident. First, the open carry of the rifle made him a target of nutjob #1, then it kept him an easily identifiable target for the follow-on idjits. If your workplace adjacent to a riot zone, or your car was caught in some massive traffic jam caused by riots, or it was disabled in riot conditions, it might really be useful to abandon it and fade into the crowd, yet still be able to fight more effectively than with your handgun...and fade again. This looks to be the real niche for the handgun based chassis weapons. A brief situation that may call for sudden efficient violence, followed by a rapid return to more ordinary conditions. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 1:21:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sandboxmedic: You have to look at it and see what it fits- some airsoft stuff is closer to "real steel" as they call it than other stuff. As for the parts, I'm not saying some of the Fortis airsoft seems to be the same as their other stuff, I'm sure it's not, and I definitely wouldn't tell you it works on a .22 AR, but it might. I hear the CAA Roni chassis work on some of the real guns too. That B&T Chassis for airsoft is "Glass fiber infused polymer construction"; no idea how it would hold up to a real gun but certain things I do not want near my head and a slide reciprocating towards my face in a chassis not rated for actual guns is one of them. There are people that posts all kinds of crazy stuff on reddit though I hear. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sandboxmedic: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By Rem700PSS: I've run through this a couple times in the past and other than "which PDW do I think is coolest?", I can't come up with a good, practical solution for myself. I'll probably continue the pistol carry because it's hard for me to imagine what more I might need...from a practical standpoint. If we are getting to the point that a legit rifle is needed, I'm carrying that. I don't think we will have a "transitionary period" where a PDW is a gap filling need. If you want the compact rifle - Maxim PDX in .300blk. Solid middle ground when available - PSA 5.7. Best solution not currently available: https://www.gadgetify.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/09/foldable-gun.gif B&T makes some cool stuff but I like their USW kit better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlbzZyFFF4wWe have a member here who turned one of the airsoft versions into a functioning Glock version (he can post it if he wants) and I saw a couple of them when I was living in the Philippines that had been converted (actually a number of airsoft guns; overseas airsoft guns are often the same or much closer to the real gun's specs than the ones we get here). Interesting. Some of the B&T airsoft stuff is just a little cheaper than the real thing and was wondering how much of a difference it really is since both seem to basically be aluminum and polymer. You have to look at it and see what it fits- some airsoft stuff is closer to "real steel" as they call it than other stuff. As for the parts, I'm not saying some of the Fortis airsoft seems to be the same as their other stuff, I'm sure it's not, and I definitely wouldn't tell you it works on a .22 AR, but it might. I hear the CAA Roni chassis work on some of the real guns too. That B&T Chassis for airsoft is "Glass fiber infused polymer construction"; no idea how it would hold up to a real gun but certain things I do not want near my head and a slide reciprocating towards my face in a chassis not rated for actual guns is one of them. There are people that posts all kinds of crazy stuff on reddit though I hear. I believe there are two versions of the airsoft B&T chassis for the Glock, too. I don’t see the material makeup for the more expensive version but I thought it was pretty expensive for being airsoft. The real version is readily available but the price has gone up for it lately, too. $98.99 version https://www.airsoftgi.com/product/BT-Officially-Licensed-USW-Polymer-Conversion-Kit-for-G-Series-GBB-Airsoft-Pistols-Black-68451/ $269.99 version https://www.airsoftgi.com/product/BT-Officially-Licensed-USW-Conversion-Kit-for-EF-Glock-17-Gen-3-GBB-Airsoft-Pistols-67674/ |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 1:26:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yamahawarrior89: Nice! I use the same setup. Someone else in the last thread showed a PVC fixture to help distribute the load in the backpack. Did the same approach, using a big enough size to fit the suppressor mount. Also keep a PSA Rock and extra mags with it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/372855/IMG_20240616_113234068_HDR_2_jpg-3242636.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/372855/IMG_20240616_113337542_jpg-3242638.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/372855/IMG_20240616_113316610_jpg-3242639.JPG Awesome! I need to grab a few of the rock mags, they are a good bit cheaper then Ruger oem’s, and from what I hear they work flawlessly. I like the color of your bag better than mine, too. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 1:39:05 PM EST
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I vote 10.X" AR pistol, in 5.56 with a Law Folder.
I does everything better in ballistics, weight, ammo availability, mag/parts availability, and absolutely destroys on cost. Fits in a backpack, inside 100 yards/meters, it has the ballistics, bigly, over vs 9mm, 45, 300bo, 5.7, 7.62X39, and it doesn't require permission and extra tax to own. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 1:49:41 PM EST
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TP9 all day if you’re staying in a pistol round.
It’s got a factory CCW holster. Lol |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 1:50:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fnforme: I'm a huge MP5 fan but those too are just too big and you might as well pack a MK18 at that point. . I am going to disagree with you here. 
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Posted: 6/16/2024 1:53:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DayandNight1701: I vote 10.X" AR pistol, in 5.56 with a Law Folder. I does everything better in ballistics, weight, ammo availability, mag/parts availability, and absolutely destroys on cost. Fits in a backpack, inside 100 yards/meters, it has the ballistics, bigly, over vs 9mm, 45, 300bo, 5.7, 7.62X39, and it doesn't require permission and extra tax to own. I have a 10.3 with a law folder. Its better than my rattler on cost for sure, but I wouldn’t say it fits in a backpack well. Most of my non tactical looking backpacks are too small for it. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 2:00:45 PM EST
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Anyone have any thoughts about something like an SBR'd Uzi or B&T TP9 type setup for a PDW? Both seem relatively compact, though the TP9 would win in the size/weight comparison.
"Mag in grip" seems like a good way to reduce OAL. |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2024 2:01:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GGF: That's the first machine gun I bought in 1991. FJ Volmer had them in Shotgun News for $1250. I ordered a new folding stock directly from Ruger and 20/30 round magazines. It was the best of times.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GGF: Originally Posted By feetpiece: If Ruger wasn't tard'd they'd flood the market with F1 ready AC556K pistols https://150008232.v2.pressablecdn.com//srv/htdocs/wp-content/uploads/images/auctions/320/images/org/44955.jpg That's the first machine gun I bought in 1991. FJ Volmer had them in Shotgun News for $1250. I ordered a new folding stock directly from Ruger and 20/30 round magazines. It was the best of times. The svelt profile is elegant compared to everything else in the category except a tac-13. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 2:04:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DayandNight1701: I vote 10.X" AR pistol, in 5.56 with a Law Folder. I does everything better in ballistics, weight, ammo availability, mag/parts availability, and absolutely destroys on cost. Fits in a backpack, inside 100 yards/meters, it has the ballistics, bigly, over vs 9mm, 45, 300bo, 5.7, 7.62X39, and it doesn't require permission and extra tax to own. I disagree that 5.56 is better than 300BO but then I carry Barnes 110gr TAC-TX. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 2:06:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: I always thought someone should make a stock for them like the old Crossman pump up pellet pistol, the style that replaced the grips and slipped on. These days it'd be easy enough to make it some sort of Tailhook looking thing as a brace. From Crossman's website: https://www.crosman.com/crosman-shoulder-stock https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/70832/Crossman_stock_-_Copy_JPG-3242732.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/70832/Crossman_-_Copy_JPG-3242733.JPG I like that and it would be similar to the old buckmark rifles which never did well for some reason Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Not sure how you’d do a brace/stock, unless it was for the Mk 4 and replaced the takedown pin along with some kind of wrap around the grip. For the Mk 1-3 it would just be something to go around the grip with the stock coming off the heel of the grip. I’d love to hear what you have in mind if it’s something else though. I'm more of a "big picture" idea guy... Something like the flux would be perfect, but there's no easy way to mount. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 2:12:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DayandNight1701: I vote 10.X" AR pistol, in 5.56 with a Law Folder. I does everything better in ballistics, weight, ammo availability, mag/parts availability, and absolutely destroys on cost. Fits in a backpack, inside 100 yards/meters, it has the ballistics, bigly, over vs 9mm, 45, 300bo, 5.7, 7.62X39, and it doesn't require permission and extra tax to own. Your right except 300blk supers and x39 have better ballistics in an 8 inch barrel than 556 does in a 10 inch. And 300 blk wont leave you with loose fillings and bleeding ears when shot un suppressed I would rather have my 8.5 inch 300 with a 5 inch can on it and deal with the extra 3 inches to no go deaf. Feed it with subs and its even less bleeding ears. Or go 8.5 300 jakl with a can and be even way shorter. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 2:12:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: I disagree that 5.56 is better than 300BO but then I carry Barnes 110gr TAC-TX. Yep, barnes tac tx is fantastic. My preferred load. I only shoot subs at the range for fun. If I’m carrying the rattler in the context of this thread, its loaded with 110gr |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 2:18:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: Glocked]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: To your point, actually more. My 9mm SBR takes glock mags and I keep two in the truck. If I did 4 it would be 165+1 It's not like I don't have one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkYcZyIhwlQQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Rem700PSS: I've run through this a couple times in the past and other than "which PDW do I think is coolest?", I can't come up with a good, practical solution for myself. I'll probably continue the pistol carry because it's hard for me to imagine what more I might need...from a practical standpoint. If we are getting to the point that a legit rifle is needed, I'm carrying that. I don't think we will have a "transitionary period" where a PDW is a gap filling need. 100% agree It's either Boogaloo time or it's not Some of the time though, it’s just a random day, and you have to travel to one of your nearby shitholes. In my case, that would be Jackson, New Orleans, or Mobile. Filling specific roles in between pistols and a legit rifle is something manufacturers have been trying to perfect for 100 or so years. When the KAC PDW died, so did the concept of a PDW to me. With enough money and handjobs for favors you could probably source the parts to build your own, maybe. I have two esstac double gap Kywis in my truck with 147gr HST. That would 100+1 for my 2011. You can have that 100+1 of 9mm fired from a weapon with a stock, foregrip, bigger optic and suppressor in a phone book size bag. Where a full size rifle will likely be at home. To your point, actually more. My 9mm SBR takes glock mags and I keep two in the truck. If I did 4 it would be 165+1 It's not like I don't have one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkYcZyIhwlQA service pistol length barrel and it fits in a phone book size bag, laptop/briefcase or anything. I wouldn’t be able to hit B27 sized steel with a 4.5” barrel length pistol with any sort of reliability @175yrds. Hell I can barely even see the steel at 175yrds anymore. https://i.imgur.com/FGKazmR.mp4 |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 2:23:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Caboose314: Has anyone SBR'd a Polymer 80 frame? I have a couple laying around doing nothing. Do you just engrave Manufacturer name (trust?), model, and serial number on the tiny metal tag? Now I'm tempted to put a recover brace on this thing https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/187062/1000008158_jpg-3242633.JPG @Caboose314 I have. I engraved SN on the little metal plate. The rest of the info is engraved on the dust cover above the rail. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 2:24:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: GrinningDag]
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It ain't much but it's my first PDW.
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Posted: 6/16/2024 2:28:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: A service pistol length barrel and it fits in a phone book size bag, laptop/briefcase or anything. I wouldn’t be able to hit B27 sized steel with a 4.5” barrel length pistol with any sort of reliability. Hell I can barely even see the steel at 175yrds anymore. https://i.imgur.com/FGKazmR.mp4 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Rem700PSS: I've run through this a couple times in the past and other than "which PDW do I think is coolest?", I can't come up with a good, practical solution for myself. I'll probably continue the pistol carry because it's hard for me to imagine what more I might need...from a practical standpoint. If we are getting to the point that a legit rifle is needed, I'm carrying that. I don't think we will have a "transitionary period" where a PDW is a gap filling need. 100% agree It's either Boogaloo time or it's not Some of the time though, it’s just a random day, and you have to travel to one of your nearby shitholes. In my case, that would be Jackson, New Orleans, or Mobile. Filling specific roles in between pistols and a legit rifle is something manufacturers have been trying to perfect for 100 or so years. When the KAC PDW died, so did the concept of a PDW to me. With enough money and handjobs for favors you could probably source the parts to build your own, maybe. I have two esstac double gap Kywis in my truck with 147gr HST. That would 100+1 for my 2011. You can have that 100+1 of 9mm fired from a weapon with a stock, foregrip, bigger optic and suppressor in a phone book size bag. Where a full size rifle will likely be at home. To your point, actually more. My 9mm SBR takes glock mags and I keep two in the truck. If I did 4 it would be 165+1 It's not like I don't have one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkYcZyIhwlQA service pistol length barrel and it fits in a phone book size bag, laptop/briefcase or anything. I wouldn’t be able to hit B27 sized steel with a 4.5” barrel length pistol with any sort of reliability. Hell I can barely even see the steel at 175yrds anymore. https://i.imgur.com/FGKazmR.mp4 It is so fucking gay we all can't have 2k full auto MP5Ks with suitcase Hey homie that's my briefcase |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 2:30:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nickel_Plated: Every day I regret not buying an M11/380 when they were sub $10k.  I had forgotten about it for a while. Then Flannel Daddy made his Mac-11 video..... DAMN IT! SONOFABITCH DAMNIT!!!  The intro to that video is a masterpiece.One of these days... 'Tis my one and only grail gun.  There is one for sale on the Indiana Gun Owners forum. I think the guy wants 10.5k. I was tempted. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 2:47:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: It is so fucking gay we all can't have 2k full auto MP5Ks with suitcase Hey homie that's my briefcase Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Rem700PSS: I've run through this a couple times in the past and other than "which PDW do I think is coolest?", I can't come up with a good, practical solution for myself. I'll probably continue the pistol carry because it's hard for me to imagine what more I might need...from a practical standpoint. If we are getting to the point that a legit rifle is needed, I'm carrying that. I don't think we will have a "transitionary period" where a PDW is a gap filling need. 100% agree It's either Boogaloo time or it's not Some of the time though, it’s just a random day, and you have to travel to one of your nearby shitholes. In my case, that would be Jackson, New Orleans, or Mobile. Filling specific roles in between pistols and a legit rifle is something manufacturers have been trying to perfect for 100 or so years. When the KAC PDW died, so did the concept of a PDW to me. With enough money and handjobs for favors you could probably source the parts to build your own, maybe. I have two esstac double gap Kywis in my truck with 147gr HST. That would 100+1 for my 2011. You can have that 100+1 of 9mm fired from a weapon with a stock, foregrip, bigger optic and suppressor in a phone book size bag. Where a full size rifle will likely be at home. To your point, actually more. My 9mm SBR takes glock mags and I keep two in the truck. If I did 4 it would be 165+1 It's not like I don't have one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkYcZyIhwlQA service pistol length barrel and it fits in a phone book size bag, laptop/briefcase or anything. I wouldn’t be able to hit B27 sized steel with a 4.5” barrel length pistol with any sort of reliability. Hell I can barely even see the steel at 175yrds anymore. https://i.imgur.com/FGKazmR.mp4 It is so fucking gay we all can't have 2k full auto MP5Ks with suitcase Hey homie that's my briefcase YESSS!!! |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 3:06:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: sandboxmedic]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: I believe there are two versions of the airsoft B&T chassis for the Glock, too. I don’t see the material makeup for the more expensive version but I thought it was pretty expensive for being airsoft. The real version is readily available but the price has gone up for it lately, too. $98.99 version https://www.airsoftgi.com/product/BT-Officially-Licensed-USW-Polymer-Conversion-Kit-for-G-Series-GBB-Airsoft-Pistols-Black-68451/ $269.99 version https://www.airsoftgi.com/product/BT-Officially-Licensed-USW-Conversion-Kit-for-EF-Glock-17-Gen-3-GBB-Airsoft-Pistols-67674/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By Rem700PSS: I've run through this a couple times in the past and other than "which PDW do I think is coolest?", I can't come up with a good, practical solution for myself. I'll probably continue the pistol carry because it's hard for me to imagine what more I might need...from a practical standpoint. If we are getting to the point that a legit rifle is needed, I'm carrying that. I don't think we will have a "transitionary period" where a PDW is a gap filling need. If you want the compact rifle - Maxim PDX in .300blk. Solid middle ground when available - PSA 5.7. Best solution not currently available: https://www.gadgetify.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/09/foldable-gun.gif B&T makes some cool stuff but I like their USW kit better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlbzZyFFF4wWe have a member here who turned one of the airsoft versions into a functioning Glock version (he can post it if he wants) and I saw a couple of them when I was living in the Philippines that had been converted (actually a number of airsoft guns; overseas airsoft guns are often the same or much closer to the real gun's specs than the ones we get here). Interesting. Some of the B&T airsoft stuff is just a little cheaper than the real thing and was wondering how much of a difference it really is since both seem to basically be aluminum and polymer. You have to look at it and see what it fits- some airsoft stuff is closer to "real steel" as they call it than other stuff. As for the parts, I'm not saying some of the Fortis airsoft seems to be the same as their other stuff, I'm sure it's not, and I definitely wouldn't tell you it works on a .22 AR, but it might. I hear the CAA Roni chassis work on some of the real guns too. That B&T Chassis for airsoft is "Glass fiber infused polymer construction"; no idea how it would hold up to a real gun but certain things I do not want near my head and a slide reciprocating towards my face in a chassis not rated for actual guns is one of them. There are people that posts all kinds of crazy stuff on reddit though I hear. I believe there are two versions of the airsoft B&T chassis for the Glock, too. I don’t see the material makeup for the more expensive version but I thought it was pretty expensive for being airsoft. The real version is readily available but the price has gone up for it lately, too. $98.99 version https://www.airsoftgi.com/product/BT-Officially-Licensed-USW-Polymer-Conversion-Kit-for-G-Series-GBB-Airsoft-Pistols-Black-68451/ $269.99 version https://www.airsoftgi.com/product/BT-Officially-Licensed-USW-Conversion-Kit-for-EF-Glock-17-Gen-3-GBB-Airsoft-Pistols-67674/ That expensive one is listed as Zion Arms. I didn't see the Glock model on their website but they list one for a Hi-Capa which is an airsoft 2011. Same price and under the description: "Constructed out of durable lightweight polymer" https://www.zionarms.com/product-page/archwick-zion-arms-pcc-conversion-kit-for-tm-hi-capa-5-1-4-3-gbb-pistols Archwick makes an aluminum one that is apparently sold in Canada but I don't see it anywhere in the US. The version that I have found says "glass filled nylon" but it also includes these lines: "Can be used with most full and mid sized licesed Glock replicas with accessory railed frame. NOT Compatible with Polymer 80 Type Lowers, or GHK / Umarex Licensed Glock Replicas." https://www.arch-wick.com/bt-air-usw-g17-conv-kit Example: https://www.evike.com/products/106449/ I don't know which airsoft models are closest to the actual Glock; I know my KSC will fit the Glock holsters I've tried as well as accessories but I ordered it from overseas and don't think they're sold here. I would assume the Umarex is designed to be the same size as a real Glock but you never know since manufacturers make slight changes to keep them legal.  If I were to try one I'd swap on an A3 brace: https://a3tactical.com/direct-fit-brace-b-t-usw-g/ A3 does sell the real B&T chassis with a brace (OOS at the moment) but it's $500.  ETA- Note that they say airsoft versions use a different charging method since apparently airsoft Glocks don't have a removable backplate. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 3:14:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C-4: @dump1567 What is the second picture? @C-4 SBR'd Glock 17 w/ HuxWrx Ca$h 9 can in a B&T USW Chassis B&T USW-G 9/40/357SIG |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 3:19:16 PM EST
[#26]
I carry my G17L in 20/20 brace with 7 33rd mags in an old oilfield PC/gas monitor Pelican case. I think it’s junky enough to look like a piece of equipment. It’s been all over America with me.
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Posted: 6/16/2024 3:21:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yamahawarrior89: A3 Tactical Triad Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yamahawarrior89: Originally Posted By BLUEBOY: Whats the brand of bullpup Thor has a photo posted? A3 Tactical Triad The FM-15 side cocking upper used in that A3 bullpup chassis with just a folding stock lower is pretty handy & light all by itself. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 3:25:57 PM EST
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Posted: 6/16/2024 3:26:30 PM EST
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I got a few "pdw" guns currently I have a full sized mp5 with surefire forend and side folding brace in a laptop case. Second I have a 7" ar in 5.56 the best all rounder is my uzi pro. I'll post pics later..
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Posted: 6/16/2024 3:27:05 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sandboxmedic: That expensive one is listed as Zion Arms. I didn't see the Glock model on their website but they list one for a Hi-Capa which is an airsoft 2011. Same price and under the description: "Constructed out of durable lightweight polymer" https://www.zionarms.com/product-page/archwick-zion-arms-pcc-conversion-kit-for-tm-hi-capa-5-1-4-3-gbb-pistols Archwick makes an aluminum one that is apparently sold in Canada but I don't see it anywhere in the US. The version that I have found says "glass filled nylon" but it also includes these lines: "Can be used with most full and mid sized licesed Glock replicas with accessory railed frame. NOT Compatible with Polymer 80 Type Lowers, or GHK / Umarex Licensed Glock Replicas." https://www.arch-wick.com/bt-air-usw-g17-conv-kit Example: https://www.evike.com/products/106449/ I don't know which airsoft models are closest to the actual Glock; I know my KSC will fit the Glock holsters I've tried as well as accessories but I ordered it from overseas and don't think they're sold here. I would assume the Umarex is designed to be the same size as a real Glock but you never know since manufacturers make slight changes to keep them legal. If I were to try one I'd swap on an A3 brace: https://a3tactical.com/direct-fit-brace-b-t-usw-g/ A3 does sell the real B&T chassis with a brace (OOS at the moment) but it's $500. ETA- Note that they say airsoft versions use a different charging method since apparently some airsoft Glocks don't have a removable backplate (mine does). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sandboxmedic: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By Rem700PSS: I've run through this a couple times in the past and other than "which PDW do I think is coolest?", I can't come up with a good, practical solution for myself. I'll probably continue the pistol carry because it's hard for me to imagine what more I might need...from a practical standpoint. If we are getting to the point that a legit rifle is needed, I'm carrying that. I don't think we will have a "transitionary period" where a PDW is a gap filling need. If you want the compact rifle - Maxim PDX in .300blk. Solid middle ground when available - PSA 5.7. Best solution not currently available: https://www.gadgetify.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/09/foldable-gun.gif B&T makes some cool stuff but I like their USW kit better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlbzZyFFF4wWe have a member here who turned one of the airsoft versions into a functioning Glock version (he can post it if he wants) and I saw a couple of them when I was living in the Philippines that had been converted (actually a number of airsoft guns; overseas airsoft guns are often the same or much closer to the real gun's specs than the ones we get here). Interesting. Some of the B&T airsoft stuff is just a little cheaper than the real thing and was wondering how much of a difference it really is since both seem to basically be aluminum and polymer. You have to look at it and see what it fits- some airsoft stuff is closer to "real steel" as they call it than other stuff. As for the parts, I'm not saying some of the Fortis airsoft seems to be the same as their other stuff, I'm sure it's not, and I definitely wouldn't tell you it works on a .22 AR, but it might. I hear the CAA Roni chassis work on some of the real guns too. That B&T Chassis for airsoft is "Glass fiber infused polymer construction"; no idea how it would hold up to a real gun but certain things I do not want near my head and a slide reciprocating towards my face in a chassis not rated for actual guns is one of them. There are people that posts all kinds of crazy stuff on reddit though I hear. I believe there are two versions of the airsoft B&T chassis for the Glock, too. I don’t see the material makeup for the more expensive version but I thought it was pretty expensive for being airsoft. The real version is readily available but the price has gone up for it lately, too. $98.99 version https://www.airsoftgi.com/product/BT-Officially-Licensed-USW-Polymer-Conversion-Kit-for-G-Series-GBB-Airsoft-Pistols-Black-68451/ $269.99 version https://www.airsoftgi.com/product/BT-Officially-Licensed-USW-Conversion-Kit-for-EF-Glock-17-Gen-3-GBB-Airsoft-Pistols-67674/ That expensive one is listed as Zion Arms. I didn't see the Glock model on their website but they list one for a Hi-Capa which is an airsoft 2011. Same price and under the description: "Constructed out of durable lightweight polymer" https://www.zionarms.com/product-page/archwick-zion-arms-pcc-conversion-kit-for-tm-hi-capa-5-1-4-3-gbb-pistols Archwick makes an aluminum one that is apparently sold in Canada but I don't see it anywhere in the US. The version that I have found says "glass filled nylon" but it also includes these lines: "Can be used with most full and mid sized licesed Glock replicas with accessory railed frame. NOT Compatible with Polymer 80 Type Lowers, or GHK / Umarex Licensed Glock Replicas." https://www.arch-wick.com/bt-air-usw-g17-conv-kit Example: https://www.evike.com/products/106449/ I don't know which airsoft models are closest to the actual Glock; I know my KSC will fit the Glock holsters I've tried as well as accessories but I ordered it from overseas and don't think they're sold here. I would assume the Umarex is designed to be the same size as a real Glock but you never know since manufacturers make slight changes to keep them legal. If I were to try one I'd swap on an A3 brace: https://a3tactical.com/direct-fit-brace-b-t-usw-g/ A3 does sell the real B&T chassis with a brace (OOS at the moment) but it's $500. ETA- Note that they say airsoft versions use a different charging method since apparently some airsoft Glocks don't have a removable backplate (mine does). Dang, that’s a lot of money for just a polymer frame! Because of 74novaman’s original “mostly peaceful” thread, I got the real deal with the brace and was looking at maybe getting an airsoft version for around the house training. Glad I didn’t now. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 3:27:43 PM EST
[#31]
As much as I like shooting pistol caliber pdw’s, IMHO, you are going to get out gunned pretty quickly if you find yourself in a situation (out and about) that favors something more than a concealed pistol.
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Posted: 6/16/2024 3:30:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Most people are not gun schizos like us and I guarantee you they don't think that No, it's different nowadays. Every popular rap music video will have thugs showing off their guns that they carry in satchels and a lot of them will include lyrics about how they carry it in their designer messenger bags lol. Maybe you're right, but even non-gun people I know comment on people carrying those bags and ask me if they have a gun in there. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 3:48:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: Caboose314]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bravo_Six: @Caboose314 I have. I engraved SN on the little metal plate. The rest of the info is engraved on the dust cover above the rail. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bravo_Six: Originally Posted By Caboose314: Has anyone SBR'd a Polymer 80 frame? I have a couple laying around doing nothing. Do you just engrave Manufacturer name (trust?), model, and serial number on the tiny metal tag? Now I'm tempted to put a recover brace on this thing https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/187062/1000008158_jpg-3242633.JPG @Caboose314 I have. I engraved SN on the little metal plate. The rest of the info is engraved on the dust cover above the rail. Nice, thanks! That makes sense with the plate being so small. Did you DIY it with an engraving pen+stencils, or have someone do it? |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 3:55:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Dang, that’s a lot of money for just a polymer frame! Because of 74novaman’s original “mostly peaceful” thread, I got the real deal with the brace and was looking at maybe getting an airsoft version for around the house training. Glad I didn’t now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By Rem700PSS: I've run through this a couple times in the past and other than "which PDW do I think is coolest?", I can't come up with a good, practical solution for myself. I'll probably continue the pistol carry because it's hard for me to imagine what more I might need...from a practical standpoint. If we are getting to the point that a legit rifle is needed, I'm carrying that. I don't think we will have a "transitionary period" where a PDW is a gap filling need. If you want the compact rifle - Maxim PDX in .300blk. Solid middle ground when available - PSA 5.7. Best solution not currently available: https://www.gadgetify.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/09/foldable-gun.gif B&T makes some cool stuff but I like their USW kit better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlbzZyFFF4wWe have a member here who turned one of the airsoft versions into a functioning Glock version (he can post it if he wants) and I saw a couple of them when I was living in the Philippines that had been converted (actually a number of airsoft guns; overseas airsoft guns are often the same or much closer to the real gun's specs than the ones we get here). Interesting. Some of the B&T airsoft stuff is just a little cheaper than the real thing and was wondering how much of a difference it really is since both seem to basically be aluminum and polymer. You have to look at it and see what it fits- some airsoft stuff is closer to "real steel" as they call it than other stuff. As for the parts, I'm not saying some of the Fortis airsoft seems to be the same as their other stuff, I'm sure it's not, and I definitely wouldn't tell you it works on a .22 AR, but it might. I hear the CAA Roni chassis work on some of the real guns too. That B&T Chassis for airsoft is "Glass fiber infused polymer construction"; no idea how it would hold up to a real gun but certain things I do not want near my head and a slide reciprocating towards my face in a chassis not rated for actual guns is one of them. There are people that posts all kinds of crazy stuff on reddit though I hear. I believe there are two versions of the airsoft B&T chassis for the Glock, too. I don’t see the material makeup for the more expensive version but I thought it was pretty expensive for being airsoft. The real version is readily available but the price has gone up for it lately, too. $98.99 version https://www.airsoftgi.com/product/BT-Officially-Licensed-USW-Polymer-Conversion-Kit-for-G-Series-GBB-Airsoft-Pistols-Black-68451/ $269.99 version https://www.airsoftgi.com/product/BT-Officially-Licensed-USW-Conversion-Kit-for-EF-Glock-17-Gen-3-GBB-Airsoft-Pistols-67674/ That expensive one is listed as Zion Arms. I didn't see the Glock model on their website but they list one for a Hi-Capa which is an airsoft 2011. Same price and under the description: "Constructed out of durable lightweight polymer" https://www.zionarms.com/product-page/archwick-zion-arms-pcc-conversion-kit-for-tm-hi-capa-5-1-4-3-gbb-pistols Archwick makes an aluminum one that is apparently sold in Canada but I don't see it anywhere in the US. The version that I have found says "glass filled nylon" but it also includes these lines: "Can be used with most full and mid sized licesed Glock replicas with accessory railed frame. NOT Compatible with Polymer 80 Type Lowers, or GHK / Umarex Licensed Glock Replicas." https://www.arch-wick.com/bt-air-usw-g17-conv-kit Example: https://www.evike.com/products/106449/ I don't know which airsoft models are closest to the actual Glock; I know my KSC will fit the Glock holsters I've tried as well as accessories but I ordered it from overseas and don't think they're sold here. I would assume the Umarex is designed to be the same size as a real Glock but you never know since manufacturers make slight changes to keep them legal. If I were to try one I'd swap on an A3 brace: https://a3tactical.com/direct-fit-brace-b-t-usw-g/ A3 does sell the real B&T chassis with a brace (OOS at the moment) but it's $500. ETA- Note that they say airsoft versions use a different charging method since apparently some airsoft Glocks don't have a removable backplate (mine does). Dang, that’s a lot of money for just a polymer frame! Because of 74novaman’s original “mostly peaceful” thread, I got the real deal with the brace and was looking at maybe getting an airsoft version for around the house training. Glad I didn’t now. If you have a 3D printer you can make your own- see Booligan Custom Gunworks on Odysee for various files including braces. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 4:15:51 PM EST
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I'm probably going to rock my CCW.
A great PDW would be something a like a Glock chambered in 5.7 in a chassis.....with a switch. I do have a 7.5" 300blk pistol on a Law folder that easily fits in a backpack, but it is too big to keep with me all the time. However, it is fine to put in a backpack and keep in the vehicle if I'm going someplace very sketchy (which is rare...but I do visit the south side of Chicago from time to time). I'll add one more thing about 300blk. A poster here had mentioned that a specific subsonic round can defeat IIIA armor. I know fmj/non expanding subs can defeat level II and bulletproof glass, but IIIA from a subsonic round could be a game changer IMO. I've been looking for videos on it, but have not found it. But I did see 9mm (supersonic) versions on it. (Fort Scott copper spun TUI ammo). Problem is that it is not great ballistically. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 4:29:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LineOfDeparture: This is why 7.5 inch ar-10s exist. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/310196/20210911_103938-2086527.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/310196/20210910_175842-2086528.jpg So a gun with more recoil that 762 russian but less performance. There is the reason why the Hk51 was a failure outside of creating giant fireballs at the range 
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Posted: 6/16/2024 4:32:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Caboose314: Nice, thanks! That makes sense with the plate being so small. Did you DIY it with an engraving pen+stencils, or have someone do it? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Caboose314: Originally Posted By Bravo_Six: Originally Posted By Caboose314: Has anyone SBR'd a Polymer 80 frame? I have a couple laying around doing nothing. Do you just engrave Manufacturer name (trust?), model, and serial number on the tiny metal tag? Now I'm tempted to put a recover brace on this thing https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/187062/1000008158_jpg-3242633.JPG @Caboose314 I have. I engraved SN on the little metal plate. The rest of the info is engraved on the dust cover above the rail. Nice, thanks! That makes sense with the plate being so small. Did you DIY it with an engraving pen+stencils, or have someone do it? I DIYed it with a Dremel engraving tool. I bought some stencils, but couldnt make them work, so i free handed it after practicing on some scrap. At the time the ATF just announced their receiver rule and I couldn't find an FFL that would touch a PMF. It's not pretty, but it's legal. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 4:39:50 PM EST
[#38]
I have a .45acp AR-15 with a 4" barrel made by Macon Armory. I've got ten 20rd mags with it in a regular size backpack. It's a he'll of alot of fun to shoot and I can make consistent hits out to 100m with it.
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Posted: 6/16/2024 4:43:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: Gunnie357]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seven-Shooter: Anyone have any thoughts about something like an SBR'd Uzi or B&T TP9 type setup for a PDW? Both seem relatively compact, though the TP9 would win in the size/weight comparison. "Mag in grip" seems like a good way to reduce OAL. I’ve got a Model A. Fits in a briefcase easily, or a laptop type bag. IMO a PDW is an excellent compromise for the intended role. I’ve got 8” 300 with a law folder and it’s handy and all but the Uzi carries more compactly. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 5:06:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamPo: This is where I find fault with a PDW. The extra size and weight for the same ballistics as a pistol. Add the barrel length for improved ballistics and you are looking at a 8.5” 300BO with a much better round. It only takes a second to put the upper and lower together if the threat turns out to be a protracted event and have the CCW for an immediate threat. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/146093/IMG_2161_jpeg-3242629.JPG Every time I think about adding a PDW-ish 300 BO, I think about the fact that I won't be able to use a D60 to its capacity. And this in turn, makes me quite sad. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 5:15:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: Gunnie357]
[#41]
Need to SBR the ps90 should be overall as thin as the Uzi and the oal stowed of the 300 with a folder and shorter then both
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Posted: 6/16/2024 5:21:25 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dump1567: @C-4 SBR'd Glock 17 w/ HuxWrx Ca$h 9 can in a B&T USW Chassis B&T USW-G 9/40/357SIG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dump1567: Originally Posted By C-4: @dump1567 What is the second picture? @C-4 SBR'd Glock 17 w/ HuxWrx Ca$h 9 can in a B&T USW Chassis B&T USW-G 9/40/357SIG @dump1567 Thank you. How do you like it? |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 5:23:06 PM EST
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Posted: 6/16/2024 5:27:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: sabre331]
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Posted: 6/16/2024 5:55:01 PM EST
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Posting this again as I usually do in these threads. 300BO, 17” fully collapsed (from which it will fire).
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Posted: 6/16/2024 5:58:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By livinfree: I really like this in .556, 4.75” barrel. I know a lot of you think it is too short for .556, but I don’t have to add a caliber I don’t already have. Add sights/optic of your choice. Fits in Jansport backpack. Put whatever lower on it you want, same mags and ammo you already have. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/273029/22F7ECA4-E03B-4369-9C54-ED80BEBD8893_jpe-3242216.JPG No. Absolutely not. Awful ballistics and brain damage with every trigger pull. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 6:13:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lungbuster: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/196752/IMG_3785_jpeg-3242730.JPG I’ll disagree with a few others as I think there definitely will be a transitory period of a year or more. Hopefully this is all just talk and we never have to experience it Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lungbuster: Originally Posted By 74novaman: You’re on Montana? You may be right out there. During the Floyd riots cops who couldn’t or wouldn’t stop the mobs had no problem hassling normal people carrying rifles. If anything I think what you call a “transitory” period is becoming our new normal as millions come across the border, the economy continues to be meh and we all have to pretend everything is groovy. People arent going to take up rifles and fight back, but they will have to go to work or run errands in areas that have been ceded entirely to clown world. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/196752/IMG_3785_jpeg-3242730.JPG I’ll disagree with a few others as I think there definitely will be a transitory period of a year or more. Hopefully this is all just talk and we never have to experience it While that would be nice to have some transition time, I think once shit starts going south it will be all at once. I have AK74SU in 5.45, and MP5K I just don’t see either one of them with me do to the simple fact they just don’t get shot much. My truck rifle is a 12.5” AR, and the side by side sports a 11.5”. When I go coyote or other type of varmint hunting it’s a 14.5”, hell I rarely even shoot my 16” much and it’s only around as it can become a truck travel rifle and not have to worry about local, or state laws tripping you up. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 6:19:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VersaceDesertEagle: No, it's different nowadays. Every popular rap music video will have thugs showing off their guns that they carry in satchels and a lot of them will include lyrics about how they carry it in their designer messenger bags lol. Maybe you're right, but even non-gun people I know comment on people carrying those bags and ask me if they have a gun in there. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VersaceDesertEagle: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Most people are not gun schizos like us and I guarantee you they don't think that No, it's different nowadays. Every popular rap music video will have thugs showing off their guns that they carry in satchels and a lot of them will include lyrics about how they carry it in their designer messenger bags lol. Maybe you're right, but even non-gun people I know comment on people carrying those bags and ask me if they have a gun in there. I was going to post similar to this, but I’ll add Facebook has allot of pictures of backpacks as well being used to carry discreet. Rappers, thugs and social media have changed the game. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 6:45:44 PM EST
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Posted: 6/16/2024 6:48:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mstennes: While that would be nice to have some transition time, I think once shit starts going south it will be all at once. Did yall sleep through the summer of ‘20 or what? |
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