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Posted: 8/25/2024 1:57:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn: Go the other way around. Have every Starlink terminal start blasting out an unlocked wifi network that lands in the US so anyone can surf the web uncensored. Kharn  |
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Posted: 8/25/2024 1:57:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mooreshawnm: I just assume he's innocent until the government (any government) convinces me otherwise (as I assume they lie). Admittedly I don't know who this guy is and don't use his program. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mooreshawnm: Originally Posted By iggy1337: Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: Originally Posted By iggy1337: The guy is (also) a French citizen. The platform protections don't extend to turning a blind eye/actively ignoring to say Nigerian scammers or other criminal offences. One could put fourth that a Nigerian scammer is just exercising protected speech but the SCOTUS disagrees https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions Then there could be a criminal issue of the Russian.gov/MOD using telegram for their coms vs sanctions violations, if the French have evidence there was active cooperation or willful negligence that would be a issue The separate issue is the attempt to a rift between the US and Europe based on the misconception that the US would not go after a internet platform that (semi) actively enabled crimes in the US. Wait...are you defending this shit? No as I have not seen any CONCRETE evidence of what laws he broke. Just saying that it's very possible to be on the wrong side of the law and that not all speech is equally protected according to US and EU law/courts. Would a hypothetical Nigerian scammer be able to use a freedom of speech defence? I just assume he's innocent until the government (any government) convinces me otherwise (as I assume they lie). Admittedly I don't know who this guy is and don't use his program. He is presumed innocent and that's why I am interested in the exact charges and supporting evidence. |
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Posted: 8/25/2024 2:00:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: snubfan]
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A Global Religion of Conformity is Rising:
- Conform or be persecuted. - Conformity is peace & safety. - Conformity is equality. - Conform or be cut-off from doing business. - Conformity is the rule by which you are saved. The Antichrist applauds censoring speech and the trend toward communism rule. |
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Posted: 8/25/2024 2:02:52 PM EDT
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I can picture some lower level euro arrests of Musk employee's before they go for him.
Musk is too much a gentleman to push back beyond a conversation, IMHO. |
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Posted: 8/25/2024 2:49:43 PM EDT
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I remember other threads where GD was full of hate for Ed Snowden as a traitor (which he objectively is). Now GD supports Snowden?
 It's all so tiresome. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 8/25/2024 2:56:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billclo: Maybe Musk ought to cut off France and the UK for what they are up to? IP address is in those countries, no Twitter for you. No. Just ban every single UK/France government, politician’s, annd govt employee’s account. Like a light switch, turn them off and scrub their posts like they never existed. Let The People keep communicating freely. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 8/25/2024 2:59:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RikWriter: If I were Musk, I wouldn't leave Texas. It is honestly what i fear for the man. If the man decided he needed a week off his insane work load and secured some villa on an island, he'd likely be awakened to a raid, cuffs and fast track extradtion. They would love to Assange him to some damn hole. |
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Posted: 8/25/2024 3:25:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: No as I have not seen any CONCRETE evidence of what laws he broke. Just saying that it's very possible to be on the wrong side of the law and that not all speech is equally protected according to US and EU law/courts. Would a hypothetical Nigerian scammer be able to use a freedom of speech defence? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: Originally Posted By iggy1337: The guy is (also) a French citizen. The platform protections don't extend to turning a blind eye/actively ignoring to say Nigerian scammers or other criminal offences. One could put fourth that a Nigerian scammer is just exercising protected speech but the SCOTUS disagrees https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions Then there could be a criminal issue of the Russian.gov/MOD using telegram for their coms vs sanctions violations, if the French have evidence there was active cooperation or willful negligence that would be a issue The separate issue is the attempt to a rift between the US and Europe based on the misconception that the US would not go after a internet platform that (semi) actively enabled crimes in the US. Wait...are you defending this shit? No as I have not seen any CONCRETE evidence of what laws he broke. Just saying that it's very possible to be on the wrong side of the law and that not all speech is equally protected according to US and EU law/courts. Would a hypothetical Nigerian scammer be able to use a freedom of speech defence? He wasn't the one making any criminal speech, he owns the platform. Would you arrest the telco ceo for criminal speech on the telephone system? |
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Posted: 8/25/2024 4:01:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 6SJ7GT: He wasn't the one making any criminal speech, he owns the platform. Would you arrest the telco ceo for criminal speech on the telephone system? |
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Posted: 8/25/2024 4:05:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By METT-T: Lol Pinochet. If Allende were alive today you and him would be on the same side. This is a thread about progress being made towards fighting people who were actually communists and who actually facilitate molesting kids and who actually don't give two fucks about anyone's individual liberties and who actually hate the Constitution and the American project. The ubiquity of broadband internet has been a tremendous boon for them because it allows them to take legions of gullible Western rubes, primed by decades of left-wing Hollywood conspiracy-theory indoctrination, into their information space and put worms into their brains. Flip Durov. Jail Kim Dotcom. Poison Snowden. Repeal Section 230 and destroy social media. Nationalize SpaceX and Starlink if it comes to it. Going backwards is the way forward. Make America Great Again. |
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Posted: 8/25/2024 4:15:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: iggy1337]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 6SJ7GT: He wasn't the one making any criminal speech, he owns the platform. Would you arrest the telco ceo for criminal speech on the telephone system? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 6SJ7GT: Originally Posted By iggy1337: Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: Originally Posted By iggy1337: The guy is (also) a French citizen. The platform protections don't extend to turning a blind eye/actively ignoring to say Nigerian scammers or other criminal offences. One could put fourth that a Nigerian scammer is just exercising protected speech but the SCOTUS disagrees https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions Then there could be a criminal issue of the Russian.gov/MOD using telegram for their coms vs sanctions violations, if the French have evidence there was active cooperation or willful negligence that would be a issue The separate issue is the attempt to a rift between the US and Europe based on the misconception that the US would not go after a internet platform that (semi) actively enabled crimes in the US. Wait...are you defending this shit? No as I have not seen any CONCRETE evidence of what laws he broke. Just saying that it's very possible to be on the wrong side of the law and that not all speech is equally protected according to US and EU law/courts. Would a hypothetical Nigerian scammer be able to use a freedom of speech defence? He wasn't the one making any criminal speech, he owns the platform. Would you arrest the telco ceo for criminal speech on the telephone system? Can the telephone company ignore court orders for number traces with impunity ? (that analog seemingly the case here from what I can gather but again I have noot seen any actual evidence just media reporting) For some reason a lot folks here are thinking of the UK case where officer Shitheel was bullshitting about extradition for some hurt feelz, this is not the same case or subject matter. If the entire French case is built on crimes being committed and lack of moderation it's bullshit, but if there were say lawful (court) requests for information on crime suspects that were ignored it's a different kettle of fish. |
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Posted: 8/25/2024 4:16:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chisum: Ukraine has proven Putin's nuclear threats are hollow. Putin knows using a nuke would turn the whole world against him, even his last allies, China and India would turn against him. Putin is not winning. He has devastated his economy, his military has become a pillaging mob and no one around him can be trusted. I would not be surprised if he took drugs to sleep at night. The reality is Putin must not be allowed to profit from his war crimes. Whatever it takes for him to lose needs to be done. Propaganda has two flavors. The first is where you make up what ever story you want and stomp out anyone who contradicts the narrative, like we did with Covid, the fake election and the Ukraine. The second version of propaganda is where you tell the truth, focusing on things an oppressive government does not want you to know or does not want attention drawn to. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 8/25/2024 4:18:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: I remember other threads where GD was full of hate for Ed Snowden as a traitor (which he objectively is). Now GD supports Snowden? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GV1PaIbWoAA1y8v?format=jpg&name=large It's all so tiresome. LOL. Be smarter than this. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 8/25/2024 5:24:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Underscore_O_Three: We are at a pivotal time in history. Few people will realize where we are. In retrospect people will wonder why we didn't see it clearly. I’m with you. Shades of the late 30’s for sure. |
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Posted: 8/25/2024 5:34:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: That's shitty. But US does not hold the moral high ground here - refer Kim Dot Com and Assange. 
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Posted: 8/25/2024 5:47:47 PM EDT
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Nothing will happen and even if it does. No one is going to stand up and stop it. If the FBI detained musk tonight and extradited him to the French tomorrow. There would just be memes and more broken dreams.
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Posted: 8/25/2024 5:58:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GutWrench]
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Sorry. Laggy double weird post.
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Posted: 8/25/2024 11:46:39 PM EDT
[#18]
Preparing for war.
Total war. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 8/26/2024 12:29:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: Fucking lines are being drawn This whole planet needs to go to war with communism The most fitting description is Globo-fascism. There exists a globalist billionaire class who style themselves as "elites", our betters, who are the chosen ones to rule over the masses. To them we are nothing but tax cattle and our rights are but a nuisance. They dream of a globalist totalitarian "utopia" (for them anyway, not for the rest of us) where they have absolute control over everyone and everything. They will run the one-world government, all corporations, and we will be kept under their boots with social credit scores, central bank digital currencies, rationed food, draconian restrictions on free movement, and brutal application of arbitrary power. They've been busy for decades deconstructing and destabilizing all nation states for this end goal. It's obvious that they believe they are very close, and now are so bold that there's very little pretense. They show themselves as they are more and more. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 2:11:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -daddy: LOL. Be smarter than this. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -daddy: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: I remember other threads where GD was full of hate for Ed Snowden as a traitor (which he objectively is). Now GD supports Snowden? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GV1PaIbWoAA1y8v?format=jpg&name=large It's all so tiresome. LOL. Be smarter than this. What are you talking about? Not sure if GD is ever going to recover from the checkmate that just happened 
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Posted: 8/26/2024 2:14:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Balu: The most fitting description is Globo-fascism. There exists a globalist billionaire class who style themselves as "elites", our betters, who are the chosen ones to rule over the masses. To them we are nothing but tax cattle and our rights are but a nuisance. They dream of a globalist totalitarian "utopia" (for them anyway, not for the rest of us) where they have absolute control over everyone and everything. They will run the one-world government, all corporations, and we will be kept under their boots with social credit scores, central bank digital currencies, rationed food, draconian restrictions on free movement, and brutal application of arbitrary power. They've been busy for decades deconstructing and destabilizing all nation states for this end goal. It's obvious that they believe they are very close, and now are so bold that there's very little pretense. They show themselves as they are more and more. Good points. this could be the case, but I would like to interpret the increasingly brazen chinese-style censorship of speech, or going after tech platforms, as a sign of desperation and that maybe things are not headed in the direction that the globalists want |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 2:35:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: Nothing will happen and even if it does. No one is going to stand up and stop it. If the FBI detained musk tonight and extradited him to the French tomorrow. There would just be memes and more broken dreams. It's hysterical doom vapors. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 3:34:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 999monkeys]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: Who, or what is Kim Dot Com? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: That's shitty. But US does not hold the moral high ground here - refer Kim Dot Com and Assange. You’ve never heard of Mega? Maybe I’ve been on the internet too long. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 2:32:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:55:07 AM EDT
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I think durov defected to the west and gave the French access to his entire app to data mine for intel for Ukraine.
Durov fled to Dubai after threats to him by the Russians. Telegram is a massive communication asset to the Russian army. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:58:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtyboy: The dems want this for US. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:57:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp: Preparing for war. Total war. Integrating X and starlink, and a Tesla phone would be pretty awesome. That is if Josh would give a green light on security. Maybe not green, but amber would be enough for me. Im buying a flip phone for muscle memory. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 1:02:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: I remember other threads where GD was full of hate for Ed Snowden as a traitor (which he objectively is). Now GD supports Snowden? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GV1PaIbWoAA1y8v?format=jpg&name=large It's all so tiresome. Get some electrolytes, it's ramping up. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 1:10:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: akrado]
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Dude just flew back from Azerbijan, the country where europe buys russian gas. Hmm
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Posted: 8/27/2024 1:19:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotAr15: Who, or what is Kim Dot Com? He is one of the biggest, if not THE biggest hacker in the world... 
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Posted: 8/27/2024 1:22:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: I think durov defected to the west and gave the French access to his entire app to data mine for intel for Ukraine. Durov fled to Dubai after threats to him by the Russians. Telegram is a massive communication asset to the Russian army. It is a valid source of intelligence. Both sides use it for messaging because it's fast and somewhat discreet. The NSA thinks it's the biggest goldmine in their history. Without Telegram, there is a huge hole of what we can (try to) gleam out of Russia. They know it, but they allowed it because it's a two way street and they gather everything. If that cut that off, it's a very serious situation. So many young men have died because of it, both sides, just accidentally posting an update only to be targeted using geolocation. Its macabre. China is ready to fill that void, but will we have access without really good VPNs? |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 1:25:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 797hp: Fucking lines are being drawn This whole planet needs to go to war with communism Yep. The only people who should be in the gulags are evil commies. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 1:25:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1paintball: He is one of the biggest, if not THE biggest hacker in the world... And well worth following on X. 
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Posted: 8/27/2024 1:37:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Red_Label: Yep. The only people who should be in the gulags are evil commies. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Red_Label: Originally Posted By 797hp: Fucking lines are being drawn This whole planet needs to go to war with communism Yep. The only people who should be in the gulags are evil commies. I agree with both your statements. But, I want you to think about what they are saying about us, what they know, their defense capabilities. You can not underestimate their capabilities. The worst thing we could do we be to underestimate them. They are counting on that. There are two Chinas. The CCP, and the other one. Supporting the other one is a much cheaper option, but it's not profitable. They know that. Total war. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 1:38:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DarkStar: And well worth following on X.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DarkStar: Originally Posted By 1paintball: He is one of the biggest, if not THE biggest hacker in the world... And well worth following on X.
For a fat bastard that was lucky to profit off the beginning of the internet, he's often now wrong. |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 1:52:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: fadedsun]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DarkStar: And well worth following on X.
For someone who is going to be extradited to the USA, a country he hates, he’s talking a mad game. |
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