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Posted: 8/26/2024 6:50:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did a little googling and came up with https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/victim-attributes-hate-crime-law-difference-and-politics-justice . Apparently at least part of the Justice department thinks that they should be protected under hate crime laws. Great find. Fuck the DOJ for this |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 7:13:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shank is a piercing weapon, shiv is a cutting weapon. Both can be used as adverbs, but neither is a verb. Are you sure? I shank He shanks She shanks She shanked the shell shocked sailor... They shanked I have shanked He will have shanked. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 7:31:43 PM EDT
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Unfortunately I’ve had to interact with someone who did prison time for pedo shit.
He said everyone knows when you get there. “Pull your card” or some bullshit. The only person who ever gave him shit for it was a guard. Violence between gang members was all that ever really happened. He said the long term gang members were the only ones that fucked dudes, usually the younger members of their own gangs. He said the Mexicans typically don’t but bikers and black gang bangers fucked each other like rabbits. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 7:35:06 PM EDT
[#4]
Snake River penitentiary is local to me and I know about a dozen COs there. Chomos are in their own wing and rarely get fucked with by other prisoners. I am not sure about the hate crime thing though.
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Posted: 8/26/2024 7:36:35 PM EDT
[#5]
I know a guy in prison for child sex crimes. A lot of them.
He isn’t protected by anything special, he just doesn’t talk about what he did. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 7:38:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you sure? I shank He shanks She shanks She shanked the shell shocked sailor... They shanked I have shanked He will have shanked. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Shank is a piercing weapon, shiv is a cutting weapon. Both can be used as adverbs, but neither is a verb. Are you sure? I shank He shanks She shanks She shanked the shell shocked sailor... They shanked I have shanked He will have shanked. Wait, wouldn't the past participle be "have shunk"? 
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Posted: 8/26/2024 7:40:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2024 7:53:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you sure? I shank He shanks She shanks She shanked the shell shocked sailor... They shanked I have shanked He will have shanked. English is still a living language, no matter how much I bitch usage dictates what will become correct. It probably is now, but damnit I refuse to use Merriam-Webster or the New American dictionary after they put twentyfourseven in as a word.
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Posted: 8/26/2024 7:57:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Snake River penitentiary is local to me and I know about a dozen COs there. Chomos are in their own wing and rarely get fucked with by other prisoners. I am not sure about the hate crime thing though. They probably go to everything separately to avoid the rest of the population....it's like there sepretees. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 8:24:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: child molester. they get the shank or shiv. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wtf is a chomo child molester. they get the shank or shiv. That's a service not a hate crime, Probably deserves some good behavior points imho. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 9:20:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Snake River penitentiary is local to me and I know about a dozen COs there. Chomos are in their own wing and rarely get fucked with by other prisoners. I am not sure about the hate crime thing though. What is a prison “torpedo”? They talk about this a bit. Sounds like they hire a dude in that wing to put in the work for them. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:00:19 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @buckshot_jim Jim, care to weigh in on this? I can't speak for Oregon's system. It's not true in Texas. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:07:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My experience working in two Federal prisons for nearly a decade, including a United States Penitentary is exactly opposite. Inmates despise sex offenders, most have kids etc... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's my understanding that, despite popular belief (and desire), child predators are not targeted by the other inmates because of the nature of their crimes. I am *more* than happy to be disabused of this notion. My experience working in two Federal prisons for nearly a decade, including a United States Penitentary is exactly opposite. Inmates despise sex offenders, most have kids etc... I know multiple state correctional officers that have told me the exact same thing. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:17:36 PM EDT
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would not surprise me
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:32:20 PM EDT
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Most prisons have specific units for sex offenders some units are designated incentive and take x amount of clear conduct to live in. These will house both solid and non solid inmates. Guys programming and doing their own time.
If a SO ends up on a regular GP unit they are either extorted and pay rent or they get assaulted/ forced to PC up. Source -10 years state corrections. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:34:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am glad to be corrected then. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My experience working in two Federal prisons for nearly a decade, including a United States Penitentary is exactly opposite. Inmates despise sex offenders, most have kids etc... And I am glad to read of the correction. 
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:52:37 PM EDT
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It's not a hate crime if we don't see it.
Really it depends. Did the pedo get beat because he fuks kids or did he get smacked because he was doing something he shouldn't have ie Stole property, talked shit or snored to loud. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:52:49 PM EDT
[#18]
I have an in-law waiting to go to prison for online solicitation of a minor and child porn. Is he considered a sex offender by prison standards? He’s in Texas. I hope he gets a non air conditioned prison. I hope he does all 15 years.
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:53:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have an in-law waiting to go to prison for online solicitation of a minor and child porn. Is he considered a sex offender by prison standards? He’s in Texas. I hope he gets a non air conditioned prison. I hope he does all 15 years. Yes |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:56:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes Good. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:57:32 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's my understanding that, despite popular belief (and desire), child predators are not targeted by the other inmates because of the nature of their crimes. I am *more* than happy to be disabused of this notion. https://youtu.be/iLcDskek7Zg?si=Q5HSbNy80V9kT36j |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:58:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shank is a piercing weapon, shiv is a cutting weapon. Both can be used as adverbs, but neither is a verb. shiv 1 of 2 noun 'shiv plural shivs Synonyms of shiv slang : a small usually improvised pointed or bladed weapon With nothing but time on their hands, the prisoners craft weapons from available resources: shivs are made from toothbrushes or pieces of metal bunks.— Newsweek Some created makeshift weapons by fashioning "shivs" out of sharpened spoons and toothbrushes …— Kristian Silva The guards were … attacked with a makeshift weapon—a so-called shiv, fashioned from razor blades and a toothbrush …— The Irish Examiner … remove the staple from a magazine, straighten it, mount it in a juice straw …, you got yourself a neat little shiv …— Kent H. Dixon —sometimes used figuratively … gave an artful lesson in how to stick a shiv into a sitting president without ever raising his voice or making a specific accusation.— Walter Shapiro shiv 2 of 2 verb shivved also shived; shivving also shiving; shivs transitive verb informal : to stab or cut (someone) with a shiv (see shiv entry 1) shivved him in the back —often used figuratively Any signs of dissent will result in his personally shivving the offender politically …— Hayes Brown |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 11:21:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's my understanding that, despite popular belief (and desire), child predators are not targeted by the other inmates because of the nature of their crimes. I am *more* than happy to be disabused of this notion. Unfortunately, you are right. They are not specifically targeted. 90% of the time most inmates will just keep there distance, along with staff. The pedo pretty much keep to themselves in little groups, playing d&d in the day room. Some will split and whore themselves out willing. Either for $ or to find someone high up in the various groups and become their special friend for protection. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 11:34:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: …Apparently at least part of the Justice department thinks that they should be protected under hate crime laws. Yeah. The ones who are afraid of what could happen to them if they ever got caught and sent to prison… |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 11:45:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am glad to be corrected then. My parent both spent a full career in Mo Dept of Corrections at a level 5. Straight to an ad.seg.unit when they processed in and housed with other inmates of the same types of crimes. The one child molester killed at the prison my parents worked at was killed by a guard who slammed the guy between a work van and a loading dock. Tried to claim the accelerator stuck. Dude is in prison himself now. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 11:47:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any prisoner who attacks another prisoner should be locked anway in solitary for the rest of their sentence or be executed. That’ll cut down on violence in prison in short order. The ones who can’t control themselves won’t be around long. Disagree. That guy that killed the pedo should get a bonus for that |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 11:49:32 PM EDT
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Chomo.
Baby Raper Diaper Sniper. There are many terms for child predators. While some sex offenders are child predators, not all of them are. There are many other sex crimes rather than child crimes. We segregate sex offenders, (S.O.), from General Population, (G.P.) for safety. However, inside the SO yards there is always hierarchy as well, and diaper snipers are the lowest of the low. I watched one new fish brag to inmates on the yard about how much liked how little boys smelled. He went out in an ambulance that night - some of the SOs listening weren't amused. Yes, they got handled properly - we don't allow "street justice" any more than street cops. We had a split yard at one time, SO on one side, GP on the other. We were taking bets on how long it would be before the center spline fence got torn down. Amazingly enough, didn't happen. On the other hand, occasionally you will see a GP "hideout" on an SO yard, due to politics being much less of a problem with SOs. It's not often, because when an inmate moves into a new unit, he will be called for "his papers" from a head, and if there is a unit on there that is an SO unit, he will be labeled an SO for the rest of his time, no matter if he was a hideout or not. SOs tend to be older and easier to manage, with longer sentences, which is why the private prisons LOVE SOs. Yes, we call them shanks, but for documentation it's "prison made weapon". Nobody uses the term shiv out here, that I have ever heard. It's amazing how many times a guy can get stabbed and still live. FYI, going on 23 years behind the wire. Seen a few things over the years. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 11:58:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
It's not a hate crime if we don't see it. Really it depends. Did the pedo get beat because he fuks kids or did he get smacked because he was doing something he shouldn't have ie Stole property, talked shit or snored to loud. As for PREA that is a real thing and handled very carefully. No, it isn't handled as a hate crime - I have never once seen any criminal act inside prison handled as a hate crime. Doesn't mean it didn't happen - I've never heard of it, and I've worked in multiple units and complexes in my time. As for "we didn't see it, wink wink, nudge nudge" - there are two phrases that come to mind. Deliberate Indifference, and Conditions of Confinement. If you deliberately not report an inmate on inmate assault because the victim was an SO or a child predator, you will learn how important these phrases are, especially when YOU get sentenced. Bad juju. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:04:53 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any prisoner who attacks another prisoner should be locked anway in solitary for the rest of their sentence or be executed. That’ll cut down on violence in prison in short order. The ones who can’t control themselves won’t be around long. Prison should be a place where criminals learn to control their impulsive behavior. I would fully support 1 year in the hole for every fight they start, every action against a CO, anything more than Yes Sir, No Sir gets time in the hole with no yard time. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:07:03 AM EDT
[#30]
In the California State Prison system child molesters and rapist are green lit and targeted. They are traditionally placed on the sensitive needs yard with the other weirdos at whatever institution they end up at.
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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:07:26 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My experience working in two Federal prisons for nearly a decade, including a United States Penitentary is exactly opposite. Inmates despise sex offenders, most have kids etc... I liken it to a need to have hierarchy so they don’t feel bad about themselves because there are somehow worse people out there than people who murder, beat, stab, etc. on the street. I don’t really get it because the 15 year old that Ray-Ray capped over a drug debt was someone’s kid too. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:08:44 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know a guy in prison for child sex crimes. A lot of them. He isn’t protected by anything special, he just doesn’t talk about what he did. He must be in a low security facility. Most state pens at a minimum he'll be asked for papers the second he rolls into his block. He dosent need to talk, he's gonna get asked for them papers by his cell mate. Or he could be in an all chomo prison, there is one in Missouri, the whole thing is pretty much those involved in those types of activities. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:21:24 AM EDT
[#33]
Two anecdotes:
Kid I knew growing up got sentenced to a year in jail for statutory rape (he was 19, she was 15, the sheriff didn't like his dad...). Inmates in jail liked him and he was treated fairly well, due to his education and willingness to help other inmates with legal issues (got nicknamed Professor). Years later I had a trustee help me clean blood and flesh put of a cruiser for two hours. Spent the time chatting, guy had an entire story for how he was serving a few year prison sentence in jail (by choice) rather than DOC. Looked him up when I left, and his charges were actually child crimes. He had obviously crafted an entire story about DUI manslaughter to explain himself to anyone who asked...because he didn't want to risk fallout if they knew his actual sentence. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:42:20 AM EDT
[#34]
7 years working corrections.
Pedos are segregated with other pedos. In the prisons I worked in they never mixed with general population. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 5:00:40 AM EDT
[#35]
Updated the OP with video and links discovered in this thread.
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Posted: 8/27/2024 10:53:41 AM EDT
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I had an uncle that was locked up in both San Quentin and Pelican Bay l, he was a member of the Mexican Mafia and i can tell you from listening to the stories he told that most of the inmates would gladly kill a child molester in the prison yard. What is being charged with a hate crime going to do to a guy that is serving 4 life sentences? Nothing.
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Posted: 8/27/2024 11:04:44 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any prisoner who attacks another prisoner should be locked anway in solitary for the rest of their sentence or be executed. That’ll cut down on violence in prison in short order. The ones who can’t control themselves won’t be around long. This. I don't like the idea of people having to dodge shivs and rapes after being jailed for an unguided tour of the Capitol. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 11:11:22 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any prisoner who attacks another prisoner should be locked anway in solitary for the rest of their sentence or be executed. That’ll cut down on violence in prison in short order. The ones who can’t control themselves won’t be around long. Unless it is in a televised event. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 11:13:05 AM EDT
[#39]
Guards tell on them.....
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Posted: 8/27/2024 11:29:33 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's my understanding that, despite popular belief (and desire), child predators are not targeted by the other inmates because of the nature of their crimes. I am *more* than happy to be disabused of this notion. My cousin spent five years in a Florida prison for molesting his step-daughter. He said it was so overcrowded that he didn't have a cell, they just filled common areas with rows of bunks, so he was always exposed. He did the whole five years without anybody saying or messing with him at all. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 11:34:34 AM EDT
[#41]
Feds have their own sex offender treatment yards. At the low security its like one big creepy DnD meet up where all the goblins get to hang out with their buddies.
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