Originally Posted By Herewego:
Did big pharma ever write you a prescription?

So who is killing you.

Originally Posted By alexA2:


Stanislaw Burzynski look up this man. He’s had a cure for cancer since the 70’s. Although the FDA and other pharmaceutical companies say it’s medical quackery, the people he’s cured of cancer would say otherwise.
He has a documentary on YouTube.


I’m also inline to believe big pharma is more out to make money than cure people. Just look at the opioid epidemic they caused. They knew it was extremely addictive, but they hid that information so they could make more money.

I love capitalism, but the line has to be drawn when it interferes with our life, liberty and pursuit of freedom.

Originally Posted By Happy_Hour_Hero:
My personal take on typical primary care is they've given up on convincing patients to take their health into their own hands and default to a quick "here's what you really should do, but you're fat, lazy and stupid, so that's never going to happen, so here's a bunch of prescriptions instead"

Originally Posted By Happy_Hour_Hero:
My personal take on typical primary care is they've given up on convincing patients to take their health into their own hands and default to a quick "here's what you really should do, but you're fat, lazy and stupid, so that's never going to happen, so here's a bunch of prescriptions instead"

Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt:



Prescriptions drugs are the large contributing factor in the rising health care costs we’ve seen over the last 2-3 decades.

In 2020, 1 in 4.28 people in the US were taking psychiatric drugs.. now think of how many people are on other meds like BC, cholesterol meds, diabetes meds, etc.

Originally Posted By kychas:
The FDA is in the loop and has a revolving door from the pharmaceutical industry
Just read how aspartame got the FDA approval

Originally Posted By SnoopisTDI:
I think the US is probably the best place to be for acute health care. If your leg gets crushed in a car accident, you have a heart attack, or get breast cancer, this is the place to be. The doctors and big pharma will save you. It's actually pretty damn awesome.

But, we are also lazy and gluttonous, which creates a whole host of chronic health issues. Big pharma is more than happy to get rich from treating your symptoms if you aren't willing to actually solve the problem. That in itself isn't necessarily conspiratorial.

But then you have the problem of industry influencing government to drive regulations to protect them from competition, dish out bad health advice, etc. They exaggerate the effectiveness of their products while downplaying risks.

If you aren't getting 7-10k steps per day, hitting the weights a couple times per week or doing manual labor, and eating a high protein diet primarily consisting of whole foods, you're killing yourself. Once you have thar under control, then maybe you can start worrying about big pharma, plastics, pesticides, and mad scientists making addictive Doritos.

Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT:


It is crazy what they get away with.

I would like to see a ban on TV advertising, that would change things dramatically for the better.

The MSM wouldn’t be beholden to them anymore and might start telling the truth about the problems.

Originally Posted By C-4:


@73RR

Just to dispel some myths.

1) Most doctors don’t or won’t even see drug reps due to time constraints.  No doc has time to sit there and listen for 20 minutes about some new drug while their patients are backing up.  I’m running from room to room all day and don’t have time to chat if they just show up.

2) There are new drugs that I think potentially can help my patients so I will set up a time to meet with a drug rep.  It’s important to get drug samples so I can try out a drug and see if it even does what they claim it will do without any significant side effects, and that the patient can afford.  With almost every new drug, insurance will not cover it, and even though it actually does help, I simply can’t use it as it costs too much.  If the drug company can’t figure out a way for the patient to afford it, it’s dead in the water.  

A good example is Nuplazid which is still name-brand and is still stupid expensive.  It’s used for hallucinations and delusions in Lewy Body Dementia/Parkinson’s disease.  In a substantial majority of patients it will eliminate or greatly reduce hallucinations and delusions.  They finally have a drug-assistance program that pays for the drug in those patients where insurance doesn’t cover it so I can use it more.

I don’t use Neupro, even though it is a great drug for Parkinson’s disease because insurance won’t pay for it and they don’t have a drug assistance program.  Great drug.  Never prescribe it.

3) Many hospital corporations that the 75% of doctors work for ban or limit drug reps from coming in.  They are not making any money off of it so they don’t want them there.

4) We don’t get kick-backs.  It’s actually illegal.  The most we get is some cookies for the staff and free drug samples.  It’s been 15 years since they were allowed to give us pens and pads with their name on it so we don’t even get that anymore.  If I didn’t want to try a new drug for my patients then I would not see the drug rep.  Free samples means that I get to try something at zero cost to the patient and if it doesn’t work, the patient is not out any money.  That’s the main reason for drug samples.

5) Yes, we do try to tell patients to not use hard drugs, quit smoking, quit drinking excessively, look at their diet, and exercise.  These are “heavy lifting” aspects of health and difficult to change.  We usually get the body when it’s already broken.

Originally Posted By mbonnie:

I don't believe you. Please convince me by identifying some of these great mRNA treatments.

Originally Posted By warlord:
Many of you folks speak ill against big pharma, you will sing a different tune when one of your loved ones develops cancer, in that case you will want the best SotA wonder drugs. The current crop of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines is one of them, my nephew has a PhD in bio-chem, and I asked him about it the COVID vaccines, and he said that vaccines only has the proteins that stimulate the body's immune system to fight the virus, but the vaccines does not have the complete protein package to make you ill. Many of you believe what you read in the general news media, many of that is BS written by English majors. The mRNA vaccine technology is the SotA in vaccines and it is unlike the technology of older vaccines.

Originally Posted By pzilla:
I’m not convinced they’re trying to kill us but it’s reasonable to believe that they aren’t out to cure us of anything.

Joe Rogan had a former pharmaceutical salesman on his podcast a couple of years ago. He opened my mind to the notion that their business benefits (profits) from having people reliant on pharma to treat conditions. Those same profits go down when people no longer need pharmaceutical solutions.

I encourage all to apply your own critical thinking for any conclusions.  However, I can not defend them or their business model.

Originally Posted By ExFed1811:
Is Big Pharma trying to kill us for profit?


I didn't think that before Covid.  I now realize I should have.   Yeah, it sure looks like it.



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Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt:



Ayup.  


I'll touch on it again since it's brought up frequently  and that's 'exercise'.  Americans are over the global median of 6.1hrs of exercise per week, yet are one of the most unhealthy populations on the planet.

When it comes to 'exercise' What really matters is general physical movement.  Here is a scenario -  If you work a desk job for 40hrs a week, exercise for 6hrs a week, and watch football on the weekends, ride the couch and an zero turn mower once a week.. you are living a largely sedentary lifestyle.   If you are physically active in everyday life.. walk to get the mail, make instead of buy, move as much as you can at work, split wood by hand, dig post holes by hand, push mow the yard, walk to the garden to manually pull weeds, actually move in the kitchen cooking your food instead of popping in the microwave, walk to check the cows, don't sit on your duff all weekend etc and do zero exercise.. you are not living a sedentary lifestyle.  

Originally Posted By DarkStar:

cures have been suppressed in the name of profit.

 

Originally Posted By Mr_Woodsy:
RFK Jr just told Tucker that the most valuable commodity in the world is a sick child. Pharma will be making money that entire kids life.
He's not wrong.
None of them are interesting in fixing anything, just treating symptoms, then treating whatever symptoms arise from the first treatment and on and on.