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Posted: 9/15/2024 6:49:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By peacematu: I wonder what kind of drugs she uses. Anyone? Rumor is she hits the bottle. Hard. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 7:20:25 PM EDT
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I almost get tired of typing this- our opponents may or may not be dumb, but they are certainly are evil and committed to their plan. The "dumb" ones that worry me are their legions of deluded followers.
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Posted: 9/15/2024 7:39:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJumbo: I almost get tired of typing this- our opponents may or may not be dumb, but they are certainly are evil and committed to their plan. The "dumb" ones that worry me are their legions of deluded |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 7:40:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Low_Country]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: It demonstrates she was a party apparatchik in a one-party state and had the right connections. She happened to lucked out at being a “woman of color” when Biden promised to pick a woman of color as part of his deal to land the party nomination. Nothing more, nothing less. I am really shocked that you or anyone else would take that as sign of intelligence. I'd be willing to bet the entirety of my net worth that not a single member of GD anytime in the next dozen presidential election cycles could figure out how to rise to the level that she has. Yet these same chuckleheads will sit around on their computers complaing about what a low IQ retard she is. lol, sure. whatever. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 7:43:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: I'd be willing to bet the entirety of my net worth that not a single member of GD anytime in the next dozen presidential election cycles could figure out how to rise to the level that she has. Yet these same chuckleheads will sit around on their computers complaing about what a low IQ retard she is. lol, sure. whatever. So, you're saying she gives better head than the entirety of GD? Could be. I'll take your word for it. 
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Posted: 9/15/2024 7:46:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: So, you're saying she gives better head than the entirety of GD? Could be. I'll take your word for it. I despise the woman. I despise her politics. I think she would be a wildly ineffective leader, and disasterous for our country. But if you think for a second you can rise to the level she has, without being extremely competent, as well as cunning, backstabbing, manipulative, and a half dozen other things, I don't know what to tell ya. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 7:47:05 PM EDT
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To many money shots to the head!
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Posted: 9/15/2024 7:51:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lou_Daks]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: I despise the woman. I despise her politics. I think she would be a wildly ineffective leader, and disasterous for our country. But if you think for a second you can rise to the level she has, without being extremely competent, as well as cunning, backstabbing, manipulative, and a half dozen other things, I don't know what to tell ya. You left out "gives a helluva BJ" on your otherwise mostly accurate list. We also note that none of your adjectives is synonymous with "intelligent", which is, last time I checked, the point of the OP. I would disagree with "extremely competent". Competent at what, exactly? Border Czar? So IDK what to tell ya. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 8:05:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: You left out "gives a helluva BJ" on your otherwise mostly accurate list. We also note that none of your adjectives is synonymous with "intelligent", which is, last time I checked, the point of the OP. I would disagree with "extremely competent". Competent at what, exactly? Border Czar? So IDK what to tell ya. DEI + BJ = Advancement. If similar to suggesting the potato got to where he is today without special treatment or favoritism. He supposedly has a law degree along with his crack head kid , go figure. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 8:12:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: I'd be willing to bet the entirety of my net worth that not a single member of GD anytime in the next dozen presidential election cycles could figure out how to rise to the level that she has. Yet these same chuckleheads will sit around on their computers complaing about what a low IQ retard she is. lol, sure. whatever. You are conflating knowing people and intelligence, when she speak “off script” her circle word salads equate to her having an average intelligence, with a a chance of slightly above average. If she was not Wily Brown’s side chick, she would never have gotten where she is today. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 8:43:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: You are conflating knowing people and intelligence, when she speak “off script” her circle word salads equate to her having an average intelligence, with a a chance of slightly above average. If she was not Wily Brown’s side chick, she would never have gotten where she is today. Correct. Further, people who argue for Kameleon's awesome intelligence are unwittingly arguing for AOC's intelligence. Are they unaware that there are only 435 Congressmen/women in the entire U. S. of A.? And that AOC is among that august group? How could AOC be among the TOP 435 leaders in the House unless she was as bright as the sun? It's threads like this that make me question their intelligence. 
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Posted: 9/15/2024 10:25:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: You are conflating knowing people and intelligence, when she speak “off script” her circle word salads equate to her having an average intelligence, with a a chance of slightly above average. If she was not Wily Brown’s side chick, she would never have gotten where she is today. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By Low_Country: I'd be willing to bet the entirety of my net worth that not a single member of GD anytime in the next dozen presidential election cycles could figure out how to rise to the level that she has. Yet these same chuckleheads will sit around on their computers complaing about what a low IQ retard she is. lol, sure. whatever. You are conflating knowing people and intelligence, when she speak “off script” her circle word salads equate to her having an average intelligence, with a a chance of slightly above average. If she was not Wily Brown’s side chick, she would never have gotten where she is today. The word salad may be due to nervousness. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 10:31:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: I despise the woman. I despise her politics. I think she would be a wildly ineffective leader, and disasterous for our country. But if you think for a second you can rise to the level she has, without being extremely competent, as well as cunning, backstabbing, manipulative, and a half dozen other things, I don't know what to tell ya. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: So, you're saying she gives better head than the entirety of GD? Could be. I'll take your word for it. I despise the woman. I despise her politics. I think she would be a wildly ineffective leader, and disasterous for our country. But if you think for a second you can rise to the level she has, without being extremely competent, as well as cunning, backstabbing, manipulative, and a half dozen other things, I don't know what to tell ya. There was a lot of luck involved. She likely couldn’t do it again. She is between 100-115. Likely lower than Trumps. Trump sounds less intelligent than he is, thinks at a higher level than he speaks, inhibited by his ego. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 1:28:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyMetal: There was a lot of luck involved. She likely couldn’t do it again. She is between 100-115. Likely lower than Trumps. Trump sounds less intelligent than he is, thinks at a higher level than he speaks, inhibited by his ego. Oral skillz like hers are not a matter of luck. Practice makes perfect! |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 1:34:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: Correct. Further, people who argue for Kameleon's awesome intelligence are unwittingly arguing for AOC's intelligence. Are they unaware that there are only 435 Congressmen/women in the entire U. S. of A.? And that AOC is among that august group? How could AOC be among the TOP 435 leaders in the House unless she was as bright as the sun? It's threads like this that make me question their intelligence. AOC is actually smarter and more formidable than she looks. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 1:35:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Lou_Daks]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: AOC is actually smarter and more formidable than she looks. Uh, OK.  ETA: Stop staring at her tits and start listening to what she says. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 1:36:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: I'd be willing to bet the entirety of my net worth that not a single member of GD anytime in the next dozen presidential election cycles could figure out how to rise to the level that she has. Yet these same chuckleheads will sit around on their computers complaing about what a low IQ retard she is. lol, sure. whatever. There’s more than IQ that goes into it. In any case I’d be shocked if she was more than a standard deviation above the mean. That means, for reference, that she’s about as smart as the dumbest military officer and may or may not be able to pass the intelligence test for SF or some military technical jobs. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 1:37:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: Uh, OK. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: AOC is actually smarter and more formidable than she looks. Uh, OK. I don’t care for her policies. But she’s cleverer than she gets credit for. The stupid shit she says plays well with who she wants to impress. She’s shameless rather than stupid. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 1:38:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Lou_Daks]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: I don’t care for her policies. But she’s cleverer than she gets credit for. The stupid shit she says plays well with who she wants to impress. She’s shameless rather than stupid. Did you know that "cleverness" and "intelligence" are not synonyms? |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 1:41:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: Uh, OK. ETA: Stop staring at her tits and start listening to what she says. Curious, have you ever met AOC? Or any of these politicians you are assuming are idiots just because you don't like their politics? |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 1:48:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Lou_Daks]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Curious, have you ever met AOC? Or any of these politicians you are assuming are idiots just because you don't like their politics? I've seen/heard her speak many times. She's an airhead. Know thy enemy. Here are some high profile Ds I despise, but I think they are intelligent: Shumer, Hillary, Obama. Slick Willy was intelligent, too. Curious, do you know any high profile politicians? Which ones? |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 1:52:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: I seen/heard her speak many times. She's an airhead. Know thy enemy. Here are some high profile Ds I despise, but I think they are intelligent: Shumer, Hillary, Obama. Slick Willy was intelligent, too. Curious, do you know any high profile politicians? Which ones? I only ask because I got to have dinner with a friend of a friend a few years back who, at the time, worked as a staffer on the HASC. I picked his brain for 2 hours, asking him everything you would want to ask from somebody who works around all these congress critters everyday. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 2:01:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: Did you know that "cleverness" and "intelligence" are not synonyms? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: I don’t care for her policies. But she’s cleverer than she gets credit for. The stupid shit she says plays well with who she wants to impress. She’s shameless rather than stupid. Did you know that "cleverness" and "intelligence" are not synonyms? Indeed. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 2:02:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: I only ask because I got to have dinner with a friend of a friend a few years back who, at the time, worked as a staffer on the HASC. I picked his brain for 2 hours, asking him everything you would want to ask from somebody who works around all these congress critters everyday. Who did he think was smart and stupid? Norm Dicks, Maria Cantwell struck me as smart. Inslee, Adam Smith and Patty Murray much less so. Brian Baird, also very smart. Thats my personal experience with them all at least. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 2:05:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Lou_Daks]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: I only ask because I got to have dinner with a friend of a friend a few years back who, at the time, worked as a staffer on the HASC. I picked his brain for 2 hours, asking him everything you would want to ask from somebody who works around all these congress critters everyday. I can't take anyone seriously who thinks AOC is intelligent, but turns right around and says Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Bobert are dumb as dirt. Fact is, there are, and have been, some very intelligent and very stupid people in Congress, and that's not going to change in the future. Back to the subject: Kameleon isn't very intelligent, but she's not AOC-level dumb. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 2:19:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: I can't take anyone seriously who thinks AOC is intelligent, but turns right around and says Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Bobert are dumb as dirt. Fact is, there are, and have been, some very intelligent and very stupid people in Congress, and that's not going to change in the future. Back to the subject: Kameleon isn't very intelligent, but she's not AOC-level dumb. Ok. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 2:21:01 AM EDT
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I haven't seen or heard anything to support your super brain theory.
Sorry your girl sucks and is losing in the polls. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 2:26:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Who did he think was smart and stupid? Norm Dicks, Maria Cantwell struck me as smart. Inslee, Adam Smith and Patty Murray much less so. Brian Baird, also very smart. Thats my personal experience with them all at least. I just specifically remember asking him about AOC. This was fall of 2021, and she was still a new member of Congress people were interested in. I had the same thoughts - that she was some air headed joke, so I asked him about her. No, the staffer shared she is actually quite intelligent when you talk to her out of the public eye, which surprised me. And he did confirm, as suspected, her tits are as spectacular as you think they are. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 5:14:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: I can't take anyone seriously who thinks AOC is intelligent, but turns right around and says Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Bobert are dumb as dirt. Fact is, there are, and have been, some very intelligent and very stupid people in Congress, and that's not going to change in the future. Back to the subject: Kameleon isn't very intelligent, but she's not AOC-level dumb. That is one of the reasons I have doubts on “Paleo”-Conservative bonafides, other having to proclaim them all time when accused otherwise, the only people I have ever heard proclaim either was intelligent were progressives. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 5:26:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Palm]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JKH62: DEI + BJ = Advancement. If similar to suggesting the potato got to where he is today without special treatment or favoritism. He supposedly has a law degree along with his crack head kid , go figure. We have all known women in the workforce who advanced based on sexual favors. Kamala is just the run of the mill bimbo. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 7:08:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: Uh, OK. ETA: Stop staring at her tits and start listening to what she says. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: AOC is actually smarter and more formidable than she looks. Uh, OK. ETA: Stop staring at her tits and start listening to what she says. I can't help it. LOL |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 7:09:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SAE]
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Posted: 9/16/2024 10:29:16 AM EDT
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I clicked 100-110 but honestly it is probably 90s the more I think about it.
It is difficult for me to tell a huge difference anywhere from probably mid 80s to high 120s simply because people with different levels of intelligence (really plasticity or real actionable learning ability) can have wildly different aptitudes. Anyone in the first standard deviation, basically. You can find a pretty dumb guy who is a fucking autist when it comes to a physical trade and a pretty smart person who couldn't figure out how to change a tire even after watching a youtube video on it. Not sure how much I subscribe to Gardner on that whole thing but whatever. I spent a long time in the hard sciences (chemical production, environmental laboratory instrumentation, etc.) and there are some real retards out there with STEM degrees. I've also got a buddy I work out with who is pretty sharp but no where near my IQ that has three STEM degrees and his DDS. I did ask my father about this (since he has both his undergrad and JD from prestigious universities) and he rolled his eyes and said "you may or may not be surprised but you would be horrified." So I guess law is no different in that some real fucking idiots can get through programs. The thing that really gets me is she talks how (in my long experience) stupid people *think* smart people talk. She has a few "smart sounding" phrases she tends to repeat because she thinks they are really clever turns of phrase but a lot of the rest ends up as word salad while she tries to say something compelling. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 10:36:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: That is one of the reasons I have doubts on “Paleo”-Conservative bonafides, other having to proclaim them all time when accused otherwise, the only people I have ever heard proclaim either was intelligent were progressives. Is your contention that MTG and Lauren Boebert are intelligent individuals? |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 10:43:19 AM EDT
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WOnder why so many of her staff, have quit?
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Posted: 9/16/2024 10:59:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtyboy: WOnder why so many of her staff, have quit? I know lots of high IQ people who are horrible socially, being a bitch and IQ aren't mutually exclusive. She's far from dumb and far from a genius but she did pass the bar exam. I'd bet on her book smarts being above Biden but her social climbing skills involve knee pads. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 11:08:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtyboy: WOnder why so many of her staff, have quit? I’d imagine she is extremely toxic, abrasive, narcissistic, and just a flat out nasty person to be around. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 11:19:25 AM EDT
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Anyone who discounts the role of psycopathy with regard to social hierarchies is horribly naive, an average IQ psycopath can rise far above a moral individual with superior IQ. Unfortunately, this is the way of the world. The unwritten golden rule of power is "Whoever cheats the best...Wins"
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Posted: 9/16/2024 11:30:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: Doubt that the average law school graduate is smarter than the average college student. There are a LOT of pre-med, engineering, and other STEM students that are smarter than almost any law school student. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: Originally Posted By TheRealBluedog: She went to a third or fourth tear law school, and failed the bar on her first attempt. I saw somewhere that she passed it on her third attempt, but other sources say she passed it on the second attempt. The average college student is smarter than the average American. The average law school graduate is smarter than the average college student. The average attorney is smarter than the population at large. But these are all just averages. Personally, I believe in different types of intelligence. She’s probably a little smarter than the average American, but far dumber than the average attorney. But she makes up for it in other ways, which is why she’s been politically successful. Doubt that the average law school graduate is smarter than the average college student. There are a LOT of pre-med, engineering, and other STEM students that are smarter than almost any law school student. Per verifythis.com, "The California bar exam is notoriously difficult. The July 1989 test that Harris failed has a passing rate of 72.2% among first-time test takers, meaning more than a quarter failed. ." I figured id post this here to give a more apples to apples comparison. I would postulate that first time passes is higher than 2nd time passes (first time takers would be fresh off law school, younger(mentally sharper), and likely study harder due to the unknown). while second+ time takers has both those who have failed the prior administration(lower IQ/work ethic) AND longer since school, AND had to support them selves until the next test (i believe it was semi annually, like February and July). So passing on a retest is statistically less likely (in California it went from 72% to 46% in this case . "The February 1990 test that Harris passed had a total passing rate of just 45.9%, meaning more than half failed." |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 11:32:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Is your contention that MTG and Lauren Boebert are intelligent individuals? i’ve never heard a long form interview of Bobert so I can’t say. But have listened to multiple longform interviews of MTG and I can say that most peoples’ view of her are based on the characterized persona created by the mainstream media |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 11:33:40 AM EDT
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They propped up a brain dead Joe Biden for 4 years.
They can make her look like Einstein. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 11:34:10 AM EDT
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My Goden Retriever thinks she is an idiot.
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Posted: 9/16/2024 11:36:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: i’ve never heard a long form interview of Bobert so I can’t say. But have listened to multiple longform interviews of MTG and I can say that most peoples’ view of her are based on the characterized persona created by the mainstream media In the back of my mind, I’ve always had a sneaking suspicion that MTG is just playing a role. The retarded conspiracy stuff she says or posts from time to time is nothing more than a targeted gesture towards a subset of her constituency. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 12:42:20 PM EDT
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If the debate was any indicator, she’s at least smart enough to set flaming bags of dogshit in front of Trump and smirk while he stomps on them.
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Posted: 9/16/2024 2:54:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jwr6: If the debate was any indicator, she’s at least smart enough to set flaming bags of dogshit in front of Trump and smirk while he stomps on them. But that still leaves you deep in the synthesis vs. regurgitation debate. |
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Posted: Yesterday 12:09:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Kihn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: Top 25% doesn't mean much when 50% are BELOW AVERAGE. This is not the top 25% of college students. Or the top 25% of her graduating class. It's top 25% - barely - of all people who have a pulse. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: Top 25% doesn't mean much when 50% are BELOW AVERAGE. This is not the top 25% of college students. Or the top 25% of her graduating class. It's top 25% - barely - of all people who have a pulse. Well, yeah. Better than even chance of being able to outsmart your competition. Don't think she is there at 110, but she is probably smarter than your average bear. What she did was take the lazy route, because she could. After doing that for 30- 40 years she never had to show any real competence because she was given authority above her ability and she was free to delegate work. or was simply the weak link of a team and they were essentially forced to pick up her slack. She can't produce or show skill, knowledge or ability because it was never a thing for her. And it's why she is lost now when trying to express ideas that are not consistent or coherent because she is not a serious person with the capacity to think beyond the immediate. She's a free rider, absent any critical thinking skills because she never had to apply herself or was she ever called on anything. But she was always told she was way better than she is because of identity politics. And that alone is enough in her world. An IQ score of 110 falls within the ‘high average’ range A score of 110 on an IQ test places someone in the ‘high average’ range, indicating above-average intelligence and cognitive abilities compared to the general population. This score suggests good reasoning and problem-solving skills, especially when measured using well-established scales like the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale and the Stanford-Binet test. With the mean and median IQ scores set at 100, a score of 110 lies comfortably above this average, signifying a higher-than-average mental ability without reaching the genius level. |
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Posted: Today 3:49:51 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RickFinsta:...The thing that really gets me is she talks how (in my long experience) stupid people *think* smart people talk. She has a few "smart sounding" phrases she tends to repeat because she thinks they are really clever turns of phrase but a lot of the rest ends up as word salad while she tries to say something compelling. @RickFinsta What's the chance the word salad is due to nervousness or something like that? |
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Posted: Today 8:25:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By peacematu: @RickFinsta What's the chance the word salad is due to nervousness or something like that? The "word salad" is a way to control the conversation, shut up others, and keep the floor without having anything meaningful to contribute. It is in keeping with her "I'm speaking" admonition that she used on Pence so she continue to ramble on rather than engaging in an actual conversation or dialog. The word salad is a component of controlling behavior. |
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Posted: Today 9:07:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By peacematu: @RickFinsta What's the chance the word salad is due to nervousness or something like that? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By peacematu: Originally Posted By RickFinsta:...The thing that really gets me is she talks how (in my long experience) stupid people *think* smart people talk. She has a few "smart sounding" phrases she tends to repeat because she thinks they are really clever turns of phrase but a lot of the rest ends up as word salad while she tries to say something compelling. @RickFinsta What's the chance the word salad is due to nervousness or something like that? I'm not really qualified to make a determination on that. I just know what it sounds like when dumb or average people try to sound smart in technical meetings and such. I mean, those little taglines may be things her handlers told her to repeat or maybe her speechwriter is a dumb/average person that tries to sound smart. I do know she seems to be better put-together when she is on script versus speaking extemporaneously and as you say that could be something like performance anxiety. Maybe she should try drinking wine to calm her nerves first LOL. |
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