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Okay. What do you know about the topic? |
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Good point. A UAV wouldn't need a windshield for the cockpit area. |
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Maybe it's going to be piloted by the inflatable pilot from "Airplane!"..... |
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nano technology linky The technology came from in Roswell. |
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Doh! I don't know why I thought that, I must be smoking pot. Looks like I'll be editing the title. |
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Well, there are a bunch of UAV's in tow in that photo. Maybe it's a numbers thing. You see 4 UAV's vs 1 non-UAV in that image. So one's brain naturally thinks "UAV".
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Not much. Read about it in PopSci several years ago and have been intrigued ever since. Just wondering if metal rubber would be of use in this program. Last I heard, LM has been tasked with exploring the uses of metal rubber. |
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Thanks, but the truth is I just had a stupid moment. |
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Well, that'll mean they get some of the research data for both planes from one project. |
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I was reading the local newspaper the other day and they were talking about the Tanker requirement. In the same paper or another recent one there was a photo of the blended wing airliner concept and it occurred to me that it might make a good tanker (lots of internal volume). |
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The prototype they are referencing is most certainly a UAV:
IBT "It's just a flying wing (its not even close) that thing was invented by the Nazis in the 40s." |
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Boeing has flown a 17 foot wingspan remotely piloted BWB demonstrator in he past, they must be scaling it up very slowly.
www.boeing.com/ids/news/mdc/97-158.html
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I still think of aircraft as needing to recover from a flat spin, and other unusual flight. This just doesn't LOOK (to me) like it could do that kind of stuff. But then maybe I'm an aeronautic Luddite.
For example, the "fly-by-wire" computer control of an inherently unstable or "relaxed stability" aircraft (while technically accomplished) just doesn't seem right to me. Not thinking of this particular craft in that respect. |
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I'm not sure I'd want to see a FRED try to revocer from any type of spin. |
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All fly by wire aircraft are not inherently unstable. Only fighters use that feature to enhance maneuverability. The C-17 (and most other modern transport class aircraft) uses fly-by-wire as its primary flight control system, but can fly perfectly well in "Mechanical" mode too, with no computers. There is no reason the BWB couldn't be dynamically stable, it dosen't use intentional vortex generators like the F-16 and F-18 do (Leading Edge Extensions) that make dynamic stability impossible. |
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Oh yeah, thats exactly the same thing. |
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This technology, along with replacing control surfaces with plasma emitters and making the wings be able to change shape in flight, the planes will start to look like friggin UFO's.
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Good point. I was thinking of one of the recent planes where the article stated that the aerodynamics were such that it couldn't be controlled without a computer to make near-constant corrections. Maybe it was the X-29. The BWB makes me think of Battlestar Galactica for some reason... |
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Who's to say the UFOs we've seen thus far aren't all these crazy contraptions? |
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Fair number of modern aircraft can't be flown without a computer. |
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Ok who photshopped the B1 and B2 together?
The thing that kills me is the Old Skool turbine engines on top! Tell me they are just doing that to delay the imminent disclosure of the pulse wave detonation engines that will ultimately power it. |
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If they're going for weird shapes, then Boeing should just go ahead and build a Borg cube and scare the piss out of the bad guys.
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It's got some problems for an airliner.
A tube is easy to pressurize. A pancake shape or that shape is hard to pressurize. Make it strong enough to have a large pressureized passenger cabin and it will weigh too much. Make the weight light enough and it will not have the strength for pressizuration or will suffer fatigue failures from repeated pressureizations and depressureizations. Not many passengers will have windows. Lots of people like windows and TV monitors won't satisfy them. Evacuation in smoke will be a nightmare. Evacuation has to be possible in one minute. That shape will make meeting that standard very difficult. Flying wings have high angle of attack, AOA, at low speeds like for landing. When the elevons deflect upward to pitch a flying wing up...the elevon deflection itself reduces the 'effective' AOA making even more elevon deflection needed...thus further reducing the 'effective' AOA to much less than the actual AOA as measured IF the elevons were in their neutral (cruise) position. Flying wings may land at very high 'actual' angle of attack, this makes it very hard for the pilots to see and makes it easier for a flying wing to get into deep stall. If the wing tip stalls it can be very difficult to bring down the nose because the portion of the wing that is behind the center of lift stops producing lift that tends to bring the nose down, while the wing root portion of the wing, that is ahead of the center of lift and thus tends to make the nose rise is still producing lift. Tip stall happens because of spanwise airflow toward the tip on the bottom of the wing, curling over the wing tip and going into the lower pressure area on top of the wing...this kills off the lift at the wingtip. The solution is to have a lot of washout on the outboard portion of the wing. The tip area flys at a lower AOA than the inner portion of the wing. But, the washout portion of the wing always flying at a lower AOA...produces less lift at cruise AOA than it would without washout. This causes the wing to have to be larger or fly at an overall higher AOA than if it had no washout. No free lunch here. Make it safe and use more fuel and carry fewer pounds than if it had higher risk by not having washout. A cranked arrow wing can avoid some of this as can winglets. Wingfences help with the spanwise airflow problem too. On the other hand, that shape should have a low fuel burn per seat....if it didn't have to be pressurized. The B2 avoids some of this by having a small pressure hull for the crew. Small is always easier to pressurize. |
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