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Posted: 10/20/2008 11:01:46 PM EDT
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Change the fucking title, the aircraft did not go down, it had a landing mishap.
When one says "aircraft down" that means that it augered into the ground. |
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It would get a lot of peoples attention real quick if a P3 was shot down. |
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What was a P-3 doing there anyhow?
Looking for subs in a-stan? Or was it an EP-3... |
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Psssstt.....P-3's do very little sub-hunting these days. They are full of sophisticated comm gear, they have long legs, use little fuel and it's cheaper to use a Navy asset to help the Army and Air Force talk to each other. Don't tell anyone, it'll be our secret. |
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I honestly didn't know, was just asking. The looking for subs part was a joke...since it is the desert and all. Wouldn't that still technically be an EP-3 then? |
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No. P-3's and EP-3's are very different birds as far as mission gear goes. www.p3orion.nl/sneaky.html |
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P-3s Get Sharper Vision
May 31, 2007 At least five American P-3 Orion maritime patrol aircraft have been equipped with Littoral Surveillance Radar Systems (LSRS). This is a wide-aperture active electronically scanned array (AESA) type radar that enables the aircraft to track vehicles on land, and ships at sea. Such high resolution radars are already installed in JSTARS aircraft, Global Hawk UAVs and many fighters. Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar consists of thousands of tiny radars that can be independently aimed in different directions. An AESA radar was used on the JSTARS aircraft, enabling it to locate vehicles moving on the ground. A new AESA radar for JSTARS enables them to spot smaller, man sized, objects. AESA type radars have been around a long time, popular mainly for their ability deal with lots of targets simultaneously, and produce a more accurate picture of what is out there. The P-3 has been used more frequently to support ground operations, and AESA is great for this. But at sea, AESA could also be used to keep track of ship size targets for American anti-ship missiles fired from over the horizon. A sufficiently powerful AESA radar can also focus enough energy to damage aircraft or missiles. The U.S. has already been doing this with the high-powered microwave (HPM) effects generated by similar AESA radars used in F18, F35 and F22 aircraft. This is sort of like the EMP (Electromagnetic Pulse) put out by nuclear weapons. AESA has demonstrated that it can disable missiles and aircraft. AESA in a Global Hawk could disable electronics on the ground. The air force had planned to install a larger AESA radar on its new E-10 radar aircraft, that would be able to zap cruise missile guidance systems up to 180 kilometers away. The E-10 has been cancelled, but there are now plans to install its AESA radar on existing JSTARS. The E-10 AESA is several times larger than the ones found in fighters, P-3s and the Global Hawk, so make your own range estimates. |
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well, there's an upgrade. I got out in 1990( it really doesnt seem like that long ago) and we were just getting used to a new doppler radar that at that time was the cats meow. Of course, when I started, we had to keep the inside of the plane friggin cold or we would lose the computer. I think my cell phone has more oomph that that old thing. eta: I still love that old plane |
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U.S. plane overshoots runway in Afghanistan
By Joseph Giordono, Stars and Stripes Mideast edition, Wednesday, October 22, 2008 A U.S. Navy reconnaissance plane was destroyed when it overshot the runway at the large U.S. air base north of the Afghan capital early Tuesday, officials said. All of the crewmembers survived the crash, though one suffered a broken ankle. "A Navy P-3 Orion airplane overshot the runway surface while landing at Bagram Air Field, Afghanistan, early [Tuesday]," a United States Forces — Afghanistan release read. "The airplane sustained serious structural and fire damage. Bagram-based emergency-response units took action on scene to extinguish the fires." The injured crewmember was treated at the Craig Joint Theater Hospital on Bagram, officials said. The P-3 is a four-prop plane that was originally developed during the Cold War, when its primary mission was tracking missiles and attack submarines. Since early in the Afghan war, Navy P-3s have been used in landlocked Afghanistan to support coalition ground forces. Officials have said the aircraft are used to gather intelligence and provide surveillance and reconnaissance for commanders in the Arabian Sea and on the ground in Afghanistan. The plane that crashed Tuesday is deployed from PATWING FIVE out of Norfolk, Va., said Cmdr. Jane Campbell of the Navy. While deployed, the aircraft falls under CTF-57, she said. Bagram is the largest U.S. military base in Afghanistan and a main flying hub. The crash is under investigation, officials said. |
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First the AF runs a C-17 off the runway there, and now the Navy eh.
I wonder if it was the North or South end. I had a C-130 damm near nail me with a flare off the south end. |
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Glad to hear everyone made it out (More-Or-less) intact
P-3's are Lockheed Electra's and Lord Knows those planes had their trouble back in the the '50's and early '60's. When I first saw your post I "Thought" another one had shed a wing! |
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P3's..they have the motors mounted upside on those. |
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Hey KA3B, does a MAD sensor work at all over land? My guess is no, because of minerals and such but I really have no idea.
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I dunno, I was never a sub chaser kind of guy. |
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P-3's are such old airframes it's no wonder really. And a landing mishap is not the same as a crash landing.
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The P-3 is a true multi-misson aircraft.
One day we're supporting SOF on the ground, the next day were patrolling the HOA for Somali pirates, the next day we're photgraphing oil smugglers, tracking subs, dropping a jump team, following suspect ships, intercepting drug smugglers in the air and on the seas, med-evac, dropping parts to ships at sea, etc, etc. Acoustic and non-acoustic sensors, lots of radios, cameras, imaging radar, OTICXS, image transfer, streaming video, good stuff. We've got the largest ordnance capacity in the fleet with 18 hardpoints. Harpoon, SLAM, SLAM-ER, Maverick, Mk-46, Mk-50, Mk-54 torpedoes, mines, Rockeye, depth bombs, rockets. For what a combat loaded F-14 weighs we carry in gas alone. We go a long way, stay up a long time and carry a lot of good stuff. The P-8 will give us a new airframe, digital stores management and a host of other upgrades. Well overdue. |
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MAD works by identifying changes in the normal magnetic patterns caused by large metal objects. If something was large enough to change the normal patterns than I suppose you could. I dont ever remember us flying over land and trying to id anything, but if the change was large enough I suppose it could.
But I do have a pretty good story involving a P-3, the Grand Canyon, and a LCDR losing his PPC quals. Ah.... the good old days. |
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Way too noisy to work overland. The compensation system can't keep up with the constant changes. Plus you'd have to be flying awfully low to get a reasonable return. We're typically at 200 feet over the water for MAD work. |
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ETA: Especially the medical types |
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First and foremost - glad everybody walked (and hoppled) away.
Second - I'm very glad I didn't just lose 10% of my Reserve P-3 force. We are losing a lot of P-3s these days. 35 are still grounded with wing cracks and recently some weenie pilot did some (inadvertent) spin testing. Came back home after pulling 7+ Gs on the pullout 75 feet above the water. Plane is terminally broke of course. TYCOM |
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Right around 4900ft if I remember correctly. It is kind of in a low spot. |
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Probably can't get the smell out of it. ETA - Roger on the 4,900 feet ... that's way up there to the likes of me. |
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This. They use magnetometers to search for mineral deposits all the time. I know several LCdrs that SHOULD have lost their PPC qual. I remember walking into the cockpit on a transpac to find all those assholes asleep. The FE woke up and stopped me before I could finish strangling the LCdr in question in that event. ETA: Went and grabbed this from the wiki: Magnetometers are used in geophysical surveys to find deposits of iron because they can measure the magnetic field variations caused by the deposits, airplanes like the Shrike Commander has been used [1]. Magnetometers are also used to detect archaeological sites, shipwrecks and other buried or submerged objects. Magnetic anomaly detectors detect submarines for military purposes. They are used in directional drilling for oil or gas to detect the azimuth of the drilling tools near the drill bit. They are most often paired up with accelerometers in drilling tools so the both the inclination and azimuth of the drill bit can be found. They are also used in space exploration. I didn't know about the oil drilling though. That's pretty cool. |
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I thought all of the reserve squadrons were gone or went with the C-130T. |
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I thought they where holding on to them until they fell apart for good. |
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They are also used in space exploration. I didn't know about the oil drilling though. That's pretty cool. One of the only jobs I was able to find that I could translate my training as an AW was with the oil companies for offshore drilling. They were also using sound energy to find layers in the ocean floor. |
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There are 12 Reserve P-3's left. 6 AIP and 6 BMUP. All are used by the active Force and several are loaned for overseas deployments. The BMUPs will be striken in 2016. There is a vicious rumor floating that the Reserves will get 10 P-8A Poseidons. So the active can use them with the Reserves footing the bill.
One of the VPs transitioned to C-130Ts. There are now 19 C-130T and 28 USMC KC-130T. The Marines will go to J models in 2013, the Navy after that. Since trash and dinojuice haulers are in high demand, the ResNavy may stand up another 4 plane C-130 squadron. BTW, the Blue Angels Fat Albert C-130 is actually a ResNavy C-130T on loan. Fat Albert will be a J model in a few years. TYCOM |
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OPSEC? |
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I see nothing operational in TYCOMs post. All a matter of public record. |
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This thread reminds me of an interesting story I heard about and got visual confirmation of when I was in Afghanistan.
I flew mil-air in a Spanish Air Force (ISAF) C130 from Herat to Kabul a few days before I departed the country a little over a week ago. When I was on the tarmac waiting to board, there was an Italian C130 sitting parked with one wingtip looking a little haggard and I asked one of the ALOs about it. It turns out that the Eyetie C130 was taxiing and the pilot wasn't paying attention to his spotter guy with the orange wands and let his SA dim a bit, and he dragged his wingtip into an Alaska barrier, the giant concrete walls that are everywhere on base. I was told that when the pilot got it loose and unassed the aircraft to take a look at the resulting damage, he turned white, threw up and fainted, in that order. He is now flying rubber dogshit out of Naples to Zambia, no doubt. |
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There are only a handful of non J's left in the Marines...I have a good friend of mine still in, he is hauling them every so often to DMA...I was in FA July of '07 when the Blues were in town, an old buddy of mine was the FE...she was clean! I thought it came from Newburgh tho, and not the Navy..I could be wrong, I usually am. |
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P8 is going to be a wicked bird. What's the P3 with the lightning bolt on her?
Super special thingy of some sorts? |
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Gents, if I recall correctly 87GN was a Fleet Marine Force Corpsman, and was joking about Navy homos. Cease fire, please.
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They have been there since 2002 at least, maybe earlier. |
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Always liked the look of those P-3's.
And those Allison T-56's always sound cool...even if the engines are upside down on a P-3. The Ol' (C-130) Crew Chief |
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Yeah those guys too. |
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