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Posted: 11/18/2008 2:13:30 AM EDT
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Out of curiosity do they make them? If you didn't own a rifle or handgun would they be useful? Is a shotgun slug to slow/wide to take advantage of the design? They do make them, my brother has some on the side saddle of his mossberg. I can take some pics when I get home if you would like. As for usefullness, I think they would put a hurting on anything that you can hit. |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 2:16:36 AM EDT
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just google image searched "hollow point shotgun slugs" and these were on the first page-
this what you mean though? 
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Posted: 11/18/2008 2:18:46 AM EDT
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Yeah I'm more curious about the rifled slugs and if they would have a purpose over normal slugs or 00 shot.
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Posted: 11/18/2008 2:32:30 AM EDT
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Several brands of sabot slugs are hollow point. Rifled Foster type slugs mostly have a depression in the tip that is referred to as a "hollow point".
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Posted: 11/18/2008 2:53:46 AM EDT
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Rifled Foster type slugs do not expand well in my experience. They are too hard. I've seen one go through lots of meat and not expand a bit. Lightfields on the other hand...
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Posted: 11/18/2008 3:03:15 AM EDT
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Of all the slugs I've purchased the only ones that weren't hollow point were the sabots. All of the rifle slugs I've bought were hollow point
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Posted: 11/18/2008 3:21:39 AM EDT
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In my experience, Foster type slugs tend to deform, rather than expand.
Here are a few pics of some sabots with HP slugs. There are several more available. Winchester makes a 400 gr. "Platinum Tip", which is the same style I use in my 500 S&W mag. 
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Posted: 11/18/2008 3:38:10 AM EDT
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From what I understand, Foster-style slugs do not expand front-to-back the same as a handgun bullet. They are built like a cup with a hollow in the rear, due to the all-lead construction, the rear will crush and deform towards the front when sufficient resistance is experienced, causing expansion.
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Posted: 11/18/2008 4:31:56 AM EDT
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Does a brick really need to be a hollow point???
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Posted: 11/18/2008 4:34:53 AM EDT
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Does a brick really need to be a hollow point??? When 437.5 grains at 1900 fps is just not enough. 
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Posted: 11/18/2008 4:42:39 AM EDT
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Does a brick really need to be a hollow point??? When 437.5 grains at 1900 fps is just not enough. 1900 fPS?! what 12 gauges are shooting this? |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 4:45:37 AM EDT
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Winchester Partition Golds are rated at 1900 fps...and that's in the 2 3/4 version...get 2000 fps (stated) out of the 3" (God have mercy on your shoulder) Magnums.
The 2 3/4 ones kick like a mule. |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 4:47:29 AM EDT
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I didn't know 12 gauge slugs went nearly that fast.
So for home defense if you shot someone with a 12 gauge slug it's gonna hurt like hell. 
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Posted: 11/18/2008 4:55:14 AM EDT
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just google image searched "hollow point shotgun slugs" and these were on the first page- http://www.bulletswage.com/images/slugs3a.jpg 
this what you mean though? http://www.midwayusa.com/midwayusa/staticpages/highres/644639.jpg Hmmm...I wonder if the designer of the first one watched Flash Gordon as a kid? 
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Posted: 11/18/2008 5:08:53 AM EDT
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I used a Winchester 12ga 385 gr sabot to kill my buck this year. From 155 m, it entered his neck and traveled through his body and almost exited his hind quarter. Amazing penetration. The slug was fired out of a rifled barrel, and expanded perfectly (it looked exactly like the old Winchester Black Talon round after you fired it into a jug of water).
Be aware, that these things hurt like hell to fire out of lightweight weapon like the H&R Tracker II. The most I fired in one day was 6, and I was DONE. |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 5:10:13 AM EDT
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just google image searched "hollow point shotgun slugs" and these were on the first page- http://www.bulletswage.com/images/slugs3a.jpg
this what you mean though? http://www.midwayusa.com/midwayusa/staticpages/highres/644639.jpg Hmmm...I wonder if the designer of the first one watched Flash Gordon as a kid? http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l44/VACaver/flashgordonshipside2.jpg The resemblance is uncanny. |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 5:13:45 AM EDT
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Winchester Partition Golds are rated at 1900 fps...and that's in the 2 3/4 version...get 2000 fps (stated) out of the 3" (God have mercy on your shoulder) Magnums. The 2 3/4 ones kick like a mule. Winchester FTW. I use the Winchester Supreme rifle ammo and turkey loads, guess I'll add slugs to the list as well. |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 5:15:44 AM EDT
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I used a Winchester 12ga 385 gr sabot to kill my buck this year. From 155 m, it entered his neck and traveled through his body and almost exited his hind quarter. Amazing penetration. The slug was fired out of a rifled barrel, and expanded perfectly (it looked exactly like the old Winchester Black Talon round after you fired it into a jug of water). Be aware, that these things hurt like hell to fire out of lightweight weapon like the H&R Tracker II. The most I fired in one day was 6, and I was DONE. Naaaaa. Just shoot a couple 3.5" mag turkey loads first. The recoil from the slugs will feel soft after that.
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Posted: 11/18/2008 5:16:20 AM EDT
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just google image searched "hollow point shotgun slugs" and these were on the first page- http://www.bulletswage.com/images/slugs3a.jpg
this what you mean though? http://www.midwayusa.com/midwayusa/staticpages/highres/644639.jpg Hmmm...I wonder if the designer of the first one watched Flash Gordon as a kid? http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l44/VACaver/flashgordonshipside2.jpg Flash Gordon pic and a Johhny Quest Avatar? EXCELLENT 
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Posted: 11/18/2008 5:16:37 AM EDT
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Rifled slugs are constructed like a badminton shuttlecock. It needs to have a weight forward design to be stable. I'd imaging a large cavity for a hollow point wouldn't help with accuracy.
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Posted: 11/18/2008 5:18:54 AM EDT
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Does a brick really need to be a hollow point??? When 437.5 grains at 1900 fps is just not enough. 1900 fPS?! what 12 gauges are shooting this? The ones shooting those slugs. [>:/] ETA: Why the heck does that little smiley not show up? 
ETA AGAIN: Looks like the plain editor doesn't do some smilies correctly. 
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Posted: 11/18/2008 5:21:05 AM EDT
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The Remington Buckhammers are pretty bad-ass as well.
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Posted: 11/18/2008 5:40:56 AM EDT
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I used a Winchester 12ga 385 gr sabot to kill my buck this year. From 155 m, it entered his neck and traveled through his body and almost exited his hind quarter. Amazing penetration. The slug was fired out of a rifled barrel, and expanded perfectly (it looked exactly like the old Winchester Black Talon round after you fired it into a jug of water). Be aware, that these things hurt like hell to fire out of lightweight weapon like the H&R Tracker II. The most I fired in one day was 6, and I was DONE. Naaaaa. Just shoot a couple 3.5" mag turkey loads first. The recoil from the slugs will feel soft after that.
I need to do something. I've never felt such a sharp, painful recoil in my life-despite a thick recoil pad. True, the Tracker II is really light, but firing those rounds was quite the experience. |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 5:49:16 AM EDT
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I used a Winchester 12ga 385 gr sabot to kill my buck this year. From 155 m, it entered his neck and traveled through his body and almost exited his hind quarter. Amazing penetration. The slug was fired out of a rifled barrel, and expanded perfectly (it looked exactly like the old Winchester Black Talon round after you fired it into a jug of water). Be aware, that these things hurt like hell to fire out of lightweight weapon like the H&R Tracker II. The most I fired in one day was 6, and I was DONE. Naaaaa. Just shoot a couple 3.5" mag turkey loads first. The recoil from the slugs will feel soft after that.
I need to do something. I've never felt such a sharp, painful recoil in my life-despite a thick recoil pad. True, the Tracker II is really light, but firing those rounds was quite the experience. Yeah, you need to shoot different slugs! I stopped using those things! (handloaded some buckhammer-type sabots) Or get one of the heavy-barreled H&R Ultra Slug Hunters...weight takes some away... |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 5:53:53 AM EDT
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These are the Sabots I used this season.
Entrance wound on the 4-pointer. The hole was about the size of a quater and well pronounced all the way into the chest cavity. Exit wound was a bloody mess about 2.5 inches wide, the picture didn't turn out. The shot went in the front shoulder and out between the 2nd and 3rd last ribs. 
12ga 3in Federal Premium Sabots with Barnes eXpander and plastic tip. $10 a box at Fleet Farm. 
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Posted: 11/18/2008 6:00:11 AM EDT
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Generally, unless you have a rifled shotgun, I think you need to stick with the rifled slugs (not sabot slugs) if you want any degree of accuracy - but I could be wrong.
I've seen photos of expanded rifled slugs and they often turn into large lead donuts. Getting hit with one - I would imagine - wound totally ruin your day month. |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 6:05:08 AM EDT
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So sabots require a threaded barrel while shot and slugs require a smooth bore?
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Posted: 11/18/2008 6:12:07 AM EDT
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Rifled, not threaded.
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Posted: 11/18/2008 6:12:56 AM EDT
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They're made, but a 12 ga, 1 oz slug @ 1680 fps = .73 caliber, 438gr projectile with 2500+ lbs muzzle energy.
You're going to blow a 3/4 inch hole in whatever you hit, I don't think expansion is going to be an issue. There are much more technologically advanced slugs, but an ounce of lead at mach 1.5+ kills shit dead. 12ga.Shotgun slug vs gallon of water- super slow motion Winchester Super-X Ammunition 12 Gauge 2-3/4" 1 oz Rifled Slug Box of 5 |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 6:26:50 AM EDT
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Question: what chokes are used with what. I'm unsure about using a slug out of the 'most-closed' (improved?) choke.
Anyone with a basic run-down? |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 6:34:42 AM EDT
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I'll add Lightfield to the list of "That's Gonna Hurt". From the box of their Commander IDS: 465ga, 1,800 f\sec, Muzzle energy is 3346 FT/LB.
Nice clover leaf at 100yds out of my Pardner Tracker II Plus. |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 6:56:40 AM EDT
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So sabots require a threaded barrel while shot and slugs require a smooth bore? Sabots require a rifled barrel. Rifled slugs work fine in a rifled barrel or a smooth. I have a Mossberg 695 bolt action rifled barrel 12 ga that I have sent over 100 rifled lead slugs through without cleaning and the barrel is not coated in lead and the sucker is very accurate. In before a bunch of people that have never done it, but heard other people say rifled slugs in a rifled barrel causes bad leading, tell me I am full of shit. I have done it. Remington Sluggers rifled slugs. Over 100 lugs without cleaning. The barrel is fine, and its accuracy is great. |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 7:05:03 AM EDT
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I will never ever volunteer to be shot with one.
I imagine getting shot with one of those will ruin your day. |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 7:14:08 AM EDT
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The current issue of American Hunter has some info about slug guns. They were basically saying in that article that a 20ga rifled slug has about the same energy as a 30-30. Most are equivalent or more than the 45-70. I'm just regurgitating what I remember from the article here. Those are not my words.
I have shot 2 deer with slugs and both dropped in their tracks with big vent holes and liquid innards as a result. |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 7:15:02 AM EDT
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I used a Winchester 12ga 385 gr sabot to kill my buck this year. From 155 m, it entered his neck and traveled through his body and almost exited his hind quarter. Amazing penetration. The slug was fired out of a rifled barrel, and expanded perfectly (it looked exactly like the old Winchester Black Talon round after you fired it into a jug of water). Be aware, that these things hurt like hell to fire out of lightweight weapon like the H&R Tracker II. The most I fired in one day was 6, and I was DONE. Naaaaa. Just shoot a couple 3.5" mag turkey loads first. The recoil from the slugs will feel soft after that.
I need to do something. I've never felt such a sharp, painful recoil in my life-despite a thick recoil pad. True, the Tracker II is really light, but firing those rounds was quite the experience. Yeah, you need to shoot different slugs! I stopped using those things! (handloaded some buckhammer-type sabots) Or get one of the heavy-barreled H&R Ultra Slug Hunters...weight takes some away... Big time. I killed my deer with my friends Ultra Slug rifle. In fact, I fired from the prone with bare elbows resting on lava rock. No abbrasions, though. The wieght of nine pounds makes a big difference. You gotta love those 10ga barrel blanks. |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 7:22:15 AM EDT
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I used a Winchester 12ga 385 gr sabot to kill my buck this year. From 155 m, it entered his neck and traveled through his body and almost exited his hind quarter. Amazing penetration. The slug was fired out of a rifled barrel, and expanded perfectly (it looked exactly like the old Winchester Black Talon round after you fired it into a jug of water). Be aware, that these things hurt like hell to fire out of lightweight weapon like the H&R Tracker II. The most I fired in one day was 6, and I was DONE. Naaaaa. Just shoot a couple 3.5" mag turkey loads first. The recoil from the slugs will feel soft after that.
I need to do something. I've never felt such a sharp, painful recoil in my life-despite a thick recoil pad. True, the Tracker II is really light, but firing those rounds was quite the experience. Yeah, you need to shoot different slugs! I stopped using those things! (handloaded some buckhammer-type sabots) Or get one of the heavy-barreled H&R Ultra Slug Hunters...weight takes some away... Big time. I killed my deer with my friends Ultra Slug rifle. In fact, I fired from the prone with bare elbows resting on lava rock. No abbrasions, though. The wieght of nine pounds makes a big difference. You gotta love those 10ga barrel blanks. H&R got themselves a good idea there...I would have one if I could justify the difference...shooting it 1 or 2 times a year. 
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Posted: 11/18/2008 7:40:00 AM EDT
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I used a Winchester 12ga 385 gr sabot to kill my buck this year. From 155 m, it entered his neck and traveled through his body and almost exited his hind quarter. Amazing penetration. The slug was fired out of a rifled barrel, and expanded perfectly (it looked exactly like the old Winchester Black Talon round after you fired it into a jug of water). Be aware, that these things hurt like hell to fire out of lightweight weapon like the H&R Tracker II. The most I fired in one day was 6, and I was DONE. Naaaaa. Just shoot a couple 3.5" mag turkey loads first. The recoil from the slugs will feel soft after that.
I need to do something. I've never felt such a sharp, painful recoil in my life-despite a thick recoil pad. True, the Tracker II is really light, but firing those rounds was quite the experience. Yeah, you need to shoot different slugs! I stopped using those things! (handloaded some buckhammer-type sabots) Or get one of the heavy-barreled H&R Ultra Slug Hunters...weight takes some away... Big time. I killed my deer with my friends Ultra Slug rifle. In fact, I fired from the prone with bare elbows resting on lava rock. No abbrasions, though. The wieght of nine pounds makes a big difference. You gotta love those 10ga barrel blanks. H&R got themselves a good idea there...I would have one if I could justify the difference...shooting it 1 or 2 times a year. I really, really recommend it if you can. I paid $200.00 for the Tracker II. It's open sights only, and light to carry. If you only shoot it once, it'll be fine. But that Ultra Slug Gun is the cat's ass. I didn't mind carrying it at all. I wish it had iron sights, but still, there's something attractive about it just the same. I bet you wouldn't pay any more than $250.00 for one. I'm getting one because where I hunt is short-range weapons only (slug, bow, sharp sticks, ect..). Most everybody around here sees that in the regs and thinks "No way, I need my 7mm Mag with my 3X9 'scope", and head off to the hills with the other 87,000,000 slobs. I go where the people aren't. That's why I love that thing. Good to at least 200 m. I'll keep the Tracker II as a loaner, but that 10 ga barrel blank soaks up alot of recoil. |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 7:44:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I used a Winchester 12ga 385 gr sabot to kill my buck this year. From 155 m, it entered his neck and traveled through his body and almost exited his hind quarter. Amazing penetration. The slug was fired out of a rifled barrel, and expanded perfectly (it looked exactly like the old Winchester Black Talon round after you fired it into a jug of water). Be aware, that these things hurt like hell to fire out of lightweight weapon like the H&R Tracker II. The most I fired in one day was 6, and I was DONE. Naaaaa. Just shoot a couple 3.5" mag turkey loads first. The recoil from the slugs will feel soft after that. That's what I shot to test out the recoil reduction system on my Berretta Extrema. Eh, yeah, sure. That was my post in the "Worst recoil you've experienced" thread last week. |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 7:50:26 AM EDT
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So...shotgun is the way to go for a grizzly then, is that what this thread is telling me?
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Posted: 11/18/2008 7:55:50 AM EDT
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Of the 5 or 6 brands I tested for accuracy in my 1187, the Winchester Supreme Partition Golds had the worst recoil by far.
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Posted: 11/18/2008 7:56:30 AM EDT
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H&R Ultra slug is the way to go IMHO.
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Posted: 11/18/2008 7:56:50 AM EDT
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I have a 20ga H&R Tracker I - smoothbore with rifle sights. I shoot the cheap Foster-type rifled slugs and get a tennis-ball sized group at 50 yards. I probably wouldn't shoot past 100 yards with it. I have only hunted with it a few times and never had the good fortune to see a legal buck while carrying it. It is a nice lightweight thing to carry.
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Posted: 11/18/2008 8:10:46 AM EDT
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Question: what chokes are used with what. I'm unsure about using a slug out of the 'most-closed' (improved?) choke... You SHOULD be ok, even with an improved choke. Supposedly, they make the slugs undersized to fit with closed chokes in. I'd open it up though. You could get a rifled choke, or a bore (i think, it might be called barrel) choke. I've never shot slugs out of a bbl with a choke in it*, but some guys I hunt with do. I've never seen anyone blow out their choke doing so. *ETA: Don't fire a slug or anything our of your bbl without a choke in if your bbl will take a choke. This will ruin the threading. |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 8:26:27 AM EDT
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H&R Ultra slug is the way to go IMHO. http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z248/19Black19/DSC00519.jpg Very nice buck Black19. He looks pretty plump-nice rack too. |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 1:01:50 PM EDT
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Improved cylinder is actually the "most open" readily available choke. It's what most rifled slugs are shot through.
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Question: what chokes are used with what. I'm unsure about using a slug out of the 'most-closed' (improved?) choke. Anyone with a basic run-down? |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 2:42:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/18/2008 7:27:27 PM EDT
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i've fired about a billion slugs through a full choked 870. you're not gonna hurt the gun by doing it, if that's what your asking (although i wouldn't try it in a extra full/Turkey choke). I think you just gotta experiment to find what slugs will work best with your bbl/choke combo.
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