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Posted: 11/7/2009 7:24:51 AM EDT
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Ospreys arrive in Afghanistan Staff report Posted : ***Friday Nov 6, 2009*** 20:43:31 EST Ten MV-22B Ospreys from the 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit landed in Afghanistan Friday, marking yet another milestone for the aircraft. Pilots from Marine Medium Tiltrotor Squadron 263 (Reinforced) took off from the amphibious assault ship Bataan in waves of three, flying the nearly 600 miles to Camp Bastion, Afghanistan, in just over two hours, according to a news release. The aircraft will be transferred to VMM-261 upon their arrival from Marine Corps Air Station New River, N.C. It is not clear if the nearly 200 North Carolina-based Marines have deployed yet. The move means the MEU won’t have any medium-lift capability for the remainder of its deployment, which is scheduled to last until December, but spokesman Capt. Clark Carpenter said that should the need arise, the unit’s heavy-lift fleet can get the job done. “We still retain flexibility with the lift provided by our four CH-53E Super Stallions,” Carpenter said. “For any close-air support, we still have four AH-1W Super Cobras, two UH-1N Hueys and six AV-8B Harriers.” Updated post Ospreys enter Afghanistan with more firepower By Amy McCullough - Staff writer Posted : Saturday Dec 5, 2009 8:54:59 EST The MV-22 Osprey is in Afghanistan and ready to fight. Ten aircraft from Marine Medium Tiltrotor Squadron 263 arrived at Camp Bastion in November and were promptly transferred to VMM-261 out of Marine Corps Air Station New River, N.C., the first-ever Osprey squadron deployed in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. They were flown into Helmand province from the amphibious assault ship Bataan, which along with the 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit was afloat about 600 miles away in the Gulf of Oman. The trip took about two hours. Reports also state that the Osprey saw action Friday as Marines and Afghan forces began a major assault in Helmand province, one of their first — if not the first — operational uses in Afghanistan. The Corps is quick to tout the Osprey’s impressive range and speed, but critics have long argued that the MV-22, armed only with a 7.62mm M240 machine gun pointed out its rear ramp, can’t sufficiently defend itself in a hot landing zone. That’s no longer a concern, officials say, as these birds pack significantly more firepower. Ospreys in Afghanistan will be armed with a 7.62mm belly-mounted turret gun, known as the Interim Defense Weapon System, capable of shooting 360 degrees around the aircraft. Additionally, the ramp-mounted M240 was upgraded to a .50-cal. They’ll need that extra potency to counter threats on the ground, which range in sophistication from advanced surface-to-air defense systems to crude shoulder-fired rockets. The Corps has only eight belly guns. Five are in Afghanistan, and three will remain stateside for training and testing. Maintainers can load and unload the 800-pound system in eight hours, though it is likely to remain on the same aircraft for the duration of the time it is in theater, said Capt. Craig Thomas, a Marine spokesman. To operate the weapon, a Marine gunner will use a controller, similar to one used to play a video game. He’ll acquire targets using a monitor that is fed color images from a forward-looking infrared sensor mounted beneath the aircraft. During its 19-month deployment to Iraq, which ended earlier this year, the Osprey was frequently accompanied in missions by AH-1 Cobra gunships and UH-1N Hueys, which provided fire support when necessary. Despite the addition of a belly gun, it’s unlikely the Osprey will be making many solo flights in Afghanistan, said Col. Kevin Vest, who commands Marine Aircraft Group 40, the Corps’ aviation element in Afghanistan. “There are times when the Osprey will fly solo, just like the C-130 does, but generally no aircraft flies alone,” he said. “When we are going someplace where we perceive there is going to be a threat, I will use everything at my disposal. The AV-8B [Harriers] will provide overhead surveillance, the C-130 will be used to fuel and for command and control, and the Cobra and [new UH-1Y Huey] will provide fire support.” The Corps considers the IDWS belly gun an interim solution. It will be closely scrutinized throughout the Osprey’s deployment and may evolve in the long run, said Col. Greg Masiello, the MV-22 program manager at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Md. |
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Huh... that was quick.
Wonder when the F-22 is going over there, if ever? |
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Huh... that was quick. Wonder when the F-22 is going over there, if ever? The F-22 isn't needed over there. |
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Are any of the Ospreys called Seahawks? Or is the narrator on some Heavy Machinery TLC/Discovery show just an idiot? He kept calling them Seahawks throughout the entire show last night. It was fucking annoying because he wouldn't call it the Seahawk, he would just call it Seahawk like it was some kind of character in a children's show...
"Seahawk is on it's way to pick up the Marines" "Seahawk is approaching the landing area" "Seahawk is running out of fuel and desperately needs to find the C-130 tanker" |
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Granted, the 22 isn't needed there but, knowing how things work in the AF, the folks involved with them would, most likely, want in on the action, as it were.
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Quoted: Granted, the 22 isn't needed there but, knowing how things work in the AF, the folks involved with them would, most likely, want in on the action, as it were. No need to give our enemies the chance to study it's radar, sensors, and other strategic aspects. |
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Quoted: Are any of the Ospreys called Seahawks? Or is the narrator on some Heavy Machinery TLC/Discovery show just an idiot? He kept calling them Seahawks throughout the entire show last night. It was fucking annoying because he wouldn't call it the Seahawk, he would just call it Seahawk like it was some kind of character in a children's show... "Seahawk is on it's way to pick up the Marines" "Seahawk is approaching the landing area" "Seahawk is running out of fuel and desperately needs to find the C-130 tanker" Seahawk is the naval variant of the blackhawk. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Are any of the Ospreys called Seahawks? Or is the narrator on some Heavy Machinery TLC/Discovery show just an idiot? He kept calling them Seahawks throughout the entire show last night. It was fucking annoying because he wouldn't call it the Seahawk, he would just call it Seahawk like it was some kind of character in a children's show... "Seahawk is on it's way to pick up the Marines" "Seahawk is approaching the landing area" "Seahawk is running out of fuel and desperately needs to find the C-130 tanker" Seahawk is the naval variant of the blackhawk. That's what I thought. The SH-60 right? |
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Are any of the Ospreys called Seahawks? Or is the narrator on some Heavy Machinery TLC/Discovery show just an idiot? He kept calling them Seahawks throughout the entire show last night. It was fucking annoying because he wouldn't call it the Seahawk, he would just call it Seahawk like it was some kind of character in a children's show... "Seahawk is on it's way to pick up the Marines" "Seahawk is approaching the landing area" "Seahawk is running out of fuel and desperately needs to find the C-130 tanker" Seahawk is the naval variant of the blackhawk. That's what I thought. The SH-60 right? Yes. |
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What's the latest on the crew served weapons? Are they still restricted to a ramp gun? I thought they were looking at a belly mounted 7.62 remote control.
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Are any of the Ospreys called Seahawks? Or is the narrator on some Heavy Machinery TLC/Discovery show just an idiot? He kept calling them Seahawks throughout the entire show last night. It was fucking annoying because he wouldn't call it the Seahawk, he would just call it Seahawk like it was some kind of character in a children's show... "Seahawk is on it's way to pick up the Marines" "Seahawk is approaching the landing area" "Seahawk is running out of fuel and desperately needs to find the C-130 tanker" Seahawk is the naval variant of the blackhawk. That's what I thought. The SH-60 right? Yes. There is squadron whose call sign is sea-hawks, but the they fly prowlers . |
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What's the latest on the crew served weapons? Are they still restricted to a ramp gun? I thought they were looking at a belly mounted 7.62 remote control. 24 MEU is suppose to take out the first MV with belly gun, they only have a few of them so I would expect some being transferred to AFG. |
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KABUL — U.S. Marines and Afghan troops on Friday launched the first offensive since President Obama announced an American troop surge, striking against Taliban communications and supply lines in a southern insurgent stronghold, a military spokesman said.
Hundreds of troops from the 3rd Battalion, 4th Marines and the Marine reconnaissance unit Task Force Raider were dropped by helicopter and MV-22 Osprey aircraft behind Taliban lines in the northern end of the Now Zad Valley http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,579309,00.html?test=latestnews |
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Osprey begins its combat test
BY JAY PRICE - Staff writer CAMP LEATHERNECK, Afghanistan –– When a couple of VM-22 Osprey tilt rotors dropped out of the predawn darkness Friday in the northern end of the Now Zad valley in Helmand province to deliver the first of more than 1,000 NATO and Afghan troops, it marked the first major combat operation for the Osprey. Joining a fleet of CH-53 helicopters, the Ospreys carried troops for the first large assault since President Barack Obama's announcement that the U.S. would be sending more troops to Afghanistan. The Marines are hoping that the operation - a sweep (dubbed Cobra's Anger) to begin to secure the area around the city of Now Zad - will become a key step toward resuscitating the image of the Osprey, which can take off and land like a helicopter, but in the air can tilt its motors forward to fly like a fixed-wing plane. "It certainly passed its first big test here with flying colors," said Maj. William Pelletier, a spokesman at the Marine Corp's main base in Afghanistan and Helmand province, Camp Leatherneck. The Osprey suffered through a star-crossed development period that took more than 20 years and included several fatal crashes and huge cost overruns. Then, after production models entered service, on its only other combat deployment so far, in Iraq's Anbar province in 2007 through 2009, the complicated aircraft was panned by the Government Accountability Office and critics in Congress because of various maintenance problems and questions about its performance. In a report released June23, the GAO essentially said that it wasn't worth the cost and that its ability to fly at high altitudes and to carry the number of troops it was supposed to with their gear was questionable. At a hearing on the day the report was released, Rep. Edolphus Towns, a New York Democrat, said: "It has problems in hot weather, it has problems in cold weather, it has problems with sand, it has problems with high altitude, and it has restricted maneuverability. The list of what the Osprey can't do is longer than the list of what it can do." He then said that the Pentagon should quit buying the machines, and the GAO urged the Pentagon to look into other options. It declined. The Marines countered that the aircraft can do extraordinary things because of its speed and range, and that it does better at higher altitudes than critics say. Afghanistan, with its great distances and challenging terrain - and more likelihood that the aircraft will face combat - could start to make it clear whether the Marines are right and the VM-22 is worth the cost, now more than $120million each. "I don't think the Marines have satisfactorily answered that yet," said Richard Whittle, author of the forthcoming book 'The Dream Machine: The Untold History of the Notorious V-22 Osprey.' "It's expensive to operate, and it's going to take more time and more missions to answer that question, but this deployment will start to fill in some of the blanks on whether it's worth it. "If it saves lives or somehow wins a battle, maybe people will say that it is," Whittle said. "But I think that to some degree that will always be in the eye of the beholder." The 10 Ospreys arrived about a month ago and are being flown by Marine Medium Tiltrotor Squadron 261 (VMM-261) of Marine Corps Air Station New River in North Carolina. At first, the crews mainly flew around Helmand to get familiar with the turf. They officially went operational this week, beginning to fly troops and supplies around the province. If this deployment goes well, it could start to repair the Osprey's tarnished image. The aircraft hasn't had a fatal crash since 2000, and the Marines think they're starting to get a handle on the maintenance problems, which in many cases involved shortages of relatively minor parts such as connectors and wiring insulation that had been expected to last longer and therefore weren't stockpiled. "The normal reliability and maintainability issues that you see early in ... an aircraft's life cycle, we are seeing right now," said Lt. Col. Rob Freeland, a Pentagon-based officer who deals with supply-chain issues for the Osprey, and is an experienced Osprey pilot. "What makes things get better in naval aviation?" Freeland said. "Time and money and a lot of engineering effort, and we're pulling all three right now, and we have every reason to expect, looking at all the forecasts, that we're going to push through this in the next three to five years." Fixes are under way for the problems with parts shortages discovered in the Iraq deployment, he said. The Marines in Afghanistan charged with keeping them in the air agree. "With the right parts, these planes will be as reliable as anything out there," said Gunnery Sgt. Jake Korkian, 36, of Fort Worth, Texas, who has worked with the Osprey program since 1996 and is in charge of the squadron's maintenance for the airframe, hydraulics, and other systems. Among the parts that have to be replaced more often than expected are certain hydraulic lines - which on the Osprey are built of light but expensive and brittle titanium - and clamps for them. "It's just nuisance stuff, like bushings," he said. "It's nothing major. It's just that these guys don't know what to stock, so you either waste money and build up a stock of stuff you don't need, or you let the supply system learn what it needs, and that's what it's doing right now." A flying bus? The Osprey squadron mainly has been moving troops and supplies between various bases. In Iraq, this duty led some critics to belittle it as no more than a fabulously expensive flying bus. The squadron's commander, Lt. Col. Anthony Bianca of Huntsville, Ala., 42, laughed at that, saying it made no sense to criticize the Osprey for taking on its designated role. "Yes, we're moving people, and yes, we're moving supplies; that's what medium lift does," he said. In Afghanistan, though, where distances can be much greater than in Iraq, the additional speed and range it offers will boost what the Marines and other units can do. For one thing, it will allow them to react to information about the enemy much quicker. The aircraft is so fast, in fact, that it can sometimes make two trips back and forth in the time it takes a helicopter to make one trip. That capability came into play Friday in the Now Zad operation, as the aircraft made several trips to deliver troops, Pelletier said. When planning started on the Osprey's Iraq mission flying out of a base in Anbar province, that area was the most deadly for U.S. troops. By the time it arrived, though, things had calmed down substantially as the Marines' efforts to form alliances with local sheiks against al-Qaida in Iraq began working. Quickly the area went from being a hot combat zone to one of the safer parts of Iraq. This time, though, the Osprey is arriving in the hottest combat zone in a war that has been getting tougher rather than easier. That will be an important difference between the Osprey's two deployments, said Whittle. A different deployment "This time, I think it's a little tougher place to operate and the enemy is certainly more active and, I think, more capable than what they faced in Anbar," he said. Luckily, the Ospreys are getting significantly more armament for this deployment. One of the criticisms of the Osprey early on was that it couldn't defend itself well, as it was equipped with only a light machine gun on the rear ramp and had no defenses that could face forward. At Leatherneck, though, they are being retrofitted with a belly-mounted robotic machine gun and sophisticated targeting optics, all of which retracts into the aircraft before landings. Also, the 7.62 mm machine gun on the back has been replaced with a much heavier .50-caliber gun. Other issues that the Osprey has struggled with - its high-altitude performance and issues with de-icing equipment - may not be a challenge this time, as the Marines' turf doesn't include the high mountains, and is mainly desert. The aircraft are expected to perform some special missions in other parts of the country but mainly will stay in the south. Rotary-wing aircraft struggle with altitude and heat, and Helmand gets shockingly hot in summer, but Leatherneck sits at about 3,000 feet, and much of the area isn't significantly higher. Still, the deployment should give a better sense of the Osprey's capabilities, Whittle said. "The Marines have said after Iraq that they wanted to crawl with the Osprey first, then walk, then run," he said. "Well, maybe in Iraq they crawled with it, and now we'll see in Afghanistan if it's able to walk." |
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Bump It is a impressive aircraft with that belly gun I just a had a vision of one of my "kids" I "raised" sitting on his ass naked (which he was prone to do) flying around smoking fuckers with a game controller. Jack put your goddamn flight suit on you sicko bastage! |
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Bump It is a impressive aircraft with that belly gun So where's the pictures of the belly gun???? |
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Col. Vest is the CO of taht aviation asset. He was my CO in a Harrier unit. He is a fine marine and a good man. He saved my ass many times when he could have ended my career instead. He will use the 22 as offensively as he can. He knows his stuff.
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Quoted: Quoted: moar pix! http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k49/Spenserjb1216/MV-22_Osprey_with_RGS_1.jpg IIRC that is the system BAE is developing and testing for the aircraft. I do not think its the same one referenced in the article. |
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Are any of the Ospreys called Seahawks? Or is the narrator on some Heavy Machinery TLC/Discovery show just an idiot? He kept calling them Seahawks throughout the entire show last night. It was fucking annoying because he wouldn't call it the Seahawk, he would just call it Seahawk like it was some kind of character in a children's show... "Seahawk is on it's way to pick up the Marines" "Seahawk is approaching the landing area" "Seahawk is running out of fuel and desperately needs to find the C-130 tanker" I believe SeaHawks are Navy/Marine BlackHawks. But there may a squadron called SeaHawks. |
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Is it the BAE system they are using...didn't we have a member here who was testing a humvee mounted version prior to MV22 use?
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I like the aircraft alot, but I am concerned that one will get shot up or shot down and everyone will shit a brick and say see it's not viable in a hostle environment.
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Quoted: Is it the BAE system they are using...didn't we have a member here who was testing a humvee mounted version prior to MV22 use? Ospreys in Afghanistan will be armed with a 7.62mm belly-mounted turret gun, known as the Interim Defense Weapon System, capable of shooting 360 degrees around the aircraft IDWS /= RGS? I could be wrong. |
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