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Posted: 12/9/2009 5:47:00 PM EDT
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62grn green tip 5.56mm
124grn FMJ Nato Ball Not really sure about commercial equivalents. |
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Posted: 12/9/2009 5:48:33 PM EDT
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I thought they moved to 77 gr for some reason in 5.56mm and used 115 in 9mm.
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Posted: 12/9/2009 5:50:11 PM EDT
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Some special units use 77 grain stuff, but the 62 is still general issue. We still use 55 grain stuff for training and qualification in the Air Guard. Serious use is the 62 grain stuff though.
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Posted: 12/9/2009 5:50:50 PM EDT
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M855 is the 62gr. green-tipped 5.56mm round.
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Posted: 12/9/2009 5:52:47 PM EDT
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We're transitioning to blanks for general purpose.
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Posted: 12/9/2009 5:53:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: Ooohh........We're transitioning to blanks for general purpose. M200 for the win.  |
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Posted: 12/9/2009 5:53:53 PM EDT
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62grn green tip 5.56mm 124grn FMJ Nato Ball Not really sure about commercial equivalents. M855 for 5.56 M882 for 9mm http://www.olive-drab.com/od_firearms_ammo_9mm.php M882 info |
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Posted: 12/9/2009 5:54:49 PM EDT
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M855 is the 62gr. green-tipped 5.56mm round. And I want to say M882 is the 9mm ball... |
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Posted: 12/9/2009 5:55:38 PM EDT
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M855 is the 62gr. green-tipped 5.56mm round. And I want to say M882 is the 9mm ball... See above. 
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Posted: 12/9/2009 5:56:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: M855 is the 62gr. green-tipped 5.56mm round. And I want to say M882 is the 9mm ball... You are both correct. I didn't think the OP wanted the designation since they really wouldn't mean anything to him. Like I said earlier, we are still using the old M193 ball for training as well. |
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Posted: 12/9/2009 5:57:44 PM EDT
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M855 is the 62gr. green-tipped 5.56mm round. And I want to say M882 is the 9mm ball... You are both correct. I didn't think the OP wanted the designation since they really wouldn't mean anything to him. Like I said earlier, we are still using the old M193 ball for training as well. Losers! 
855 or go home 
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Posted: 12/9/2009 6:00:12 PM EDT
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Some special units use 77 grain stuff and now the MK318 mod 0 (SOST 62gr OTM). http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/atk-wins-58-million-contract-to-supply-ammunition-to-the-crane-division-of-the-naval-surface-warfare-center-78759377.html 
5.56mm Ball, Carbine, Barrier -MK 318 MOD 0 more details, http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2009infantrysmallarms/tuesdaysessioniii8524.pdf ar-jedi |
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Posted: 12/9/2009 6:01:01 PM EDT
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Quoted: Some of the stuff we were using earlier in the year had a mid 60's head stamp. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: M855 is the 62gr. green-tipped 5.56mm round. And I want to say M882 is the 9mm ball... You are both correct. I didn't think the OP wanted the designation since they really wouldn't mean anything to him. Like I said earlier, we are still using the old M193 ball for training as well. Losers! 855 or go home  I can't remember the date.Remember until just a few years ago, the Air Force had huge numbers of unmodified M16s with the 1/12 twist. Almost all of them have been converted to A2 status and we are shooting up the 55 grain stuff for training. |
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Posted: 12/9/2009 6:08:45 PM EDT
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Some special units use 77 grain stuff and now the MK318 mod 0 (SOST 62gr OTM). http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/atk-wins-58-million-contract-to-supply-ammunition-to-the-crane-division-of-the-naval-surface-warfare-center-78759377.html http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn291/Variable556/5B6F.jpg 5.56mm Ball, Carbine, Barrier -MK 318 MOD 0 more details, http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2009infantrysmallarms/tuesdaysessioniii8524.pdf ar-jedi very interesting to see a hollow cavity in the nose of the bullet. I'd like to see some bullets after contact and gelatin test. |
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Posted: 12/9/2009 6:11:47 PM EDT
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Some of the stuff we were using earlier in the year had a mid 60's head stamp. Quoted:
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M855 is the 62gr. green-tipped 5.56mm round. And I want to say M882 is the 9mm ball... You are both correct. I didn't think the OP wanted the designation since they really wouldn't mean anything to him. Like I said earlier, we are still using the old M193 ball for training as well. Losers!
855 or go home I can't remember the date.
Remember until just a few years ago, the Air Force had huge numbers of unmodified M16s with the 1/12 twist. Almost all of them have been converted to A2 status and we are shooting up the 55 grain stuff for training. I think you're better off shooting skinny swarthy people with the 55 grain. |
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Posted: 12/9/2009 6:14:12 PM EDT
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very interesting to see a hollow cavity in the nose of the bullet. I'd like to see some bullets after contact and gelatin test. OTM = open tip match. that black area is lead. this open tip is the result of drawing the copper jacket from the base upwards over the lead, rather than the typical other way around. it has virtually no effect on performance in tissue –– the primary wounding mechanism with OTM is the same as traditional ball, namely fragmentation. one primary advantage of OTM is that the base is more uniform, and there is less initial upset of the bullet as it leaves the muzzle. this improves accuracy considerably. the 77gr Mk262 construction is the same. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56x45mm_NATO#Mk_262 ETA: OTM is *not* classified as a "hollow point". JAG ruled several years ago that OTM ammo was *not* in violation of the Hague Conventions, and can therefore be lawfully employed by the US military. ar-jedi |
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Posted: 12/9/2009 6:17:25 PM EDT
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Some of the stuff we were using earlier in the year had a mid 60's head stamp. Quoted:
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M855 is the 62gr. green-tipped 5.56mm round. And I want to say M882 is the 9mm ball... You are both correct. I didn't think the OP wanted the designation since they really wouldn't mean anything to him. Like I said earlier, we are still using the old M193 ball for training as well. Losers!
855 or go home I can't remember the date.
Remember until just a few years ago, the Air Force had huge numbers of unmodified M16s with the 1/12 twist. Almost all of them have been converted to A2 status and we are shooting up the 55 grain stuff for training. I think you're better off shooting skinny swarthy people with the 55 grain. Will 55 gr do any good out of a 1-7 twist barrel? |
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Posted: 12/9/2009 6:20:23 PM EDT
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Will 55 gr do any good out of a 1-7 twist barrel? of course it will work, and work well. http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/ ar-jedi |
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Posted: 12/9/2009 6:25:58 PM EDT
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That stuff looks awesome!
Quoted: Quoted: Some special units use 77 grain stuff and now the MK318 mod 0 (SOST 62gr OTM). http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/atk-wins-58-million-contract-to-supply-ammunition-to-the-crane-division-of-the-naval-surface-warfare-center-78759377.html http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn291/Variable556/5B6F.jpg 5.56mm Ball, Carbine, Barrier -MK 318 MOD 0 more details, http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2009infantrysmallarms/tuesdaysessioniii8524.pdf ar-jedi |
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Posted: 12/9/2009 6:32:00 PM EDT
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Some of the stuff we were using earlier in the year had a mid 60's head stamp. Quoted:
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M855 is the 62gr. green-tipped 5.56mm round. And I want to say M882 is the 9mm ball... You are both correct. I didn't think the OP wanted the designation since they really wouldn't mean anything to him. Like I said earlier, we are still using the old M193 ball for training as well. Losers!
855 or go home I can't remember the date.
Remember until just a few years ago, the Air Force had huge numbers of unmodified M16s with the 1/12 twist. Almost all of them have been converted to A2 status and we are shooting up the 55 grain stuff for training. I think you're better off shooting skinny swarthy people with the 55 grain. Will 55 gr do any good out of a 1-7 twist barrel? Seriously? You have been here for 9 years with over 5k posts and you don't know that? |
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Posted: 12/9/2009 6:32:08 PM EDT
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Some special units use 77 grain stuff and now the MK318 mod 0 (SOST 62gr OTM). http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/atk-wins-58-million-contract-to-supply-ammunition-to-the-crane-division-of-the-naval-surface-warfare-center-78759377.html http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn291/Variable556/5B6F.jpg 5.56mm Ball, Carbine, Barrier -MK 318 MOD 0 more details, http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2009infantrysmallarms/tuesdaysessioniii8524.pdf ar-jedi very interesting to see a hollow cavity in the nose of the bullet. I'd like to see some bullets after contact and gelatin test. 77 grain into gelatin: 
Various rounds through loaded AK-47 magazine into gelatin: 
M193 fragmentation at various velocities: 
Fackler wound profile, M193: 
Fackler wound profile, M855: 
Assorted wound profiles: 
U.S. 5.56mm ammo: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/556.htm |
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Posted: 12/9/2009 6:35:05 PM EDT
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Some of the stuff we were using earlier in the year had a mid 60's head stamp. Quoted:
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M855 is the 62gr. green-tipped 5.56mm round. And I want to say M882 is the 9mm ball... You are both correct. I didn't think the OP wanted the designation since they really wouldn't mean anything to him. Like I said earlier, we are still using the old M193 ball for training as well. Losers!
855 or go home I can't remember the date.
Remember until just a few years ago, the Air Force had huge numbers of unmodified M16s with the 1/12 twist. Almost all of them have been converted to A2 status and we are shooting up the 55 grain stuff for training. I think you're better off shooting skinny swarthy people with the 55 grain. Will 55 gr do any good out of a 1-7 twist barrel? Seriously? You have been here for 9 years with over 5k posts and you don't know that? I know.  I mainly had 1-12" and 1-9" twist barrels before. Now I own two that are 1-7" but I have not shot anything that bleeds with them yet. All I own is 55 gr stuff, but I will eventually get some SS109.
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Posted: 12/9/2009 6:37:05 PM EDT
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Some special units use 77 grain stuff and now the MK318 mod 0 (SOST 62gr OTM). http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/atk-wins-58-million-contract-to-supply-ammunition-to-the-crane-division-of-the-naval-surface-warfare-center-78759377.html http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn291/Variable556/5B6F.jpg 5.56mm Ball, Carbine, Barrier -MK 318 MOD 0 more details, http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2009infantrysmallarms/tuesdaysessioniii8524.pdf ar-jedi I'm pretty sure that stuff is 62 grain and is being issued to units who have the SCAR. It's also best used in the short scar barrel and the MK18 upper. The MK262 mod0 and mk262 mod1 is the 77 grain stuff. here's some neat-o pics of it and it's usefulness. 
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Posted: 12/9/2009 6:39:02 PM EDT
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Some of the stuff we were using earlier in the year had a mid 60's head stamp. Quoted:
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M855 is the 62gr. green-tipped 5.56mm round. And I want to say M882 is the 9mm ball... You are both correct. I didn't think the OP wanted the designation since they really wouldn't mean anything to him. Like I said earlier, we are still using the old M193 ball for training as well. Losers!
855 or go home I can't remember the date.
Remember until just a few years ago, the Air Force had huge numbers of unmodified M16s with the 1/12 twist. Almost all of them have been converted to A2 status and we are shooting up the 55 grain stuff for training. S'bout time the AF joined the 21st century.
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Posted: 12/9/2009 6:41:00 PM EDT
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Quoted: We're transitioning to blanks for general purpose. With or without cleaning rod segments?  |
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Posted: 12/9/2009 7:27:00 PM EDT
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Some of the stuff we were using earlier in the year had a mid 60's head stamp. Quoted:
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M855 is the 62gr. green-tipped 5.56mm round. And I want to say M882 is the 9mm ball... You are both correct. I didn't think the OP wanted the designation since they really wouldn't mean anything to him. Like I said earlier, we are still using the old M193 ball for training as well. Losers!
855 or go home I can't remember the date.
Remember until just a few years ago, the Air Force had huge numbers of unmodified M16s with the 1/12 twist. Almost all of them have been converted to A2 status and we are shooting up the 55 grain stuff for training. S'bout time the AF joined the 21st century. 'Course, rest of the services are moving into the 22nd..... |
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Posted: 12/9/2009 7:35:56 PM EDT
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