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Posted: 2/14/2010 9:11:59 PM EST

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The lack of target shooting knowledge is staggering. Have mall ninjas completely taken over shooting sports?

yes sad huh..

Eley is some good shit.. shot LOTS of boxes of it in my modded target mk II..

the front site uses an appature. so your looking through a hole in the rear to a front site thats a hole the same size at teh target.. when all 3 line up. squeeze. then you use your thumb to flick back the bolt toggle the forward to reload.. I have been for years looking at using a toggle bolt for a varmit action.. Just have never got around to doing it..

MKII-FVT? I'm buying one very soon

Posted: 2/14/2010 9:16:43 PM EST

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The lack of target shooting knowledge is staggering. Have mall ninjas completely taken over shooting sports?

yes sad huh..

Eley is some good shit.. shot LOTS of boxes of it in my modded target mk II..

the front site uses an appature. so your looking through a hole in the rear to a front site thats a hole the same size at teh target.. when all 3 line up. squeeze. then you use your thumb to flick back the bolt toggle the forward to reload.. I have been for years looking at using a toggle bolt for a varmit action.. Just have never got around to doing it..

MKII-FVT? I'm buying one very soon

no a 80's vintage mkII with nothing stock but the grip and the recever.. barrel replaced with a 11" donnely barrel with Bentz chamber. and built in muzzle break. LOTS of custom work..

Posted: 2/14/2010 9:26:07 PM EST

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I'm trying to figure out why the barrels are so long and the stock look really heavy.

I'm thinking ultralight/ultrashort

Carbon fiber stock, Volquartzen Carbon fiber tension barrel

Competition weapons are always weighted down - the extra weight reduces the effects of recoil.

Just like when shooting NRA Hi Power, folks put lead weights in their AR's buttstock, etc...

Posted: 2/14/2010 9:27:13 PM EST

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It would be funner with M-14's.

Who the hell would pick an M14 over an AR15 or AR10, for a test of pure accuracy?

Posted: 2/14/2010 9:50:57 PM EST

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Arfcom is divided on this issue. Most people are sentimentally attached to wood for some reason....

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Posted: 2/14/2010 9:58:01 PM EST

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I'm trying to figure out why the barrels are so long and the stock look really heavy.

I'm thinking ultralight/ultrashort

Carbon fiber stock, Volquartzen Carbon fiber tension barrel

Because the heavier it is, the less it moves.

Posted: 2/14/2010 10:05:40 PM EST

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What do these rifles do for the money? What advantage do they have over youre basic 22 lever?

If you seriously have to ask this question then you are too fucking stupid to understand the answer you will get!!

Posted: 2/14/2010 10:09:51 PM EST

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The lack of target shooting knowledge is staggering. Have mall ninjas completely taken over shooting sports?

I would hazard to say less than 10% of GD has any shooting sports background, and maybe 1% any international shooting / smallbore background.

In fact, there seem to be more flat-out ANTI-international shooting sports (it's gay, it's only .22, etc.) people than there are serious smallbore shooters who post here regularly.

One of the reasons that "regular" shooters have disdain for "target" shooters, especially the olympic disciplines is history shows us that the Olympic sports types, along with Fudds, will sell out the regular gun owners in order to protect their "sport" over and above the more pressing need of self defence.

The play book goes like this:

1) Mass shooting with 9mm pistol or semi-automatic center fire rifle. Maybe even a shotgun.
2) Gun banners and government (of either political persuasion) determine to ban all guns
3) Hunters cry for an exception saying they only want to hunt and distance themselves from gun nuts who "only want guns to practice killing people"
4) Olympic pistol and rifle shooters cry for an exception saying they only need .22's and air weapons and distance themselves from gun nuts who "only want guns to practice killing people"
5) Olympic skeet/trap/whatever shooters and the uber-wealthy distance themselves from gun nuts who "only want guns to practice killing people"
6) Black rifle owners are sold out by pistol shooters who distance themselves from gun nuts who "only want guns to practice killing people at extreme distances when nobody needs an assault weapon for home defence"
7) Pistol shooters are sold out by fudds and target shooters who claim "Nobody should need a gun for self defence"
8) Centerfire shooters are sold out by rimfire shooters
9) Rimfire shooters are sold out by air-pistol and rifle shooters.

And so it goes on....

Sadly you are right to a point. My college team was abnormal in that we all shot outside smallbore. I remember talking to the OSU team and none of the girls had shot anything that wasn't a competition air or target rifle. Nothing bigger than .22. They could outshoot us but were amazed that we were involved in other shooting activities. They were there for scholarships, not shooting.

In high school my couch wouldn't ALLOW us to participate in any other shooting activities that didn't involve air rifle or .22s because he was worried that flinches would be developed.

Posted: 2/14/2010 10:13:29 PM EST

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What do these rifles do for the money? What advantage do they have over youre basic 22 lever?

The ability to shoot the X-ring out of targets at ranges where a 22-lever will produce the appearance of a blast of birdshot....

Posted: 2/14/2010 10:16:52 PM EST

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That's a little high domestically. Eley, Wolf, or SK rifle match will run abou $10 a box of 50. I think up to maybe $12 at this point. Yes I said Wolf. Wolf .22 match is top of the line.

I'm not sure about biathlon but I think you're looking at 2k for an Olympic quality rifle. For summer games it's probably around 3k for the rifle and sights. Not including $1,000+ more for other gear and equipment.

Umm,

No.

The high end match stuff is 18-20+ bucks a box.

I could swear I was paying $10 a box for SK match... Oh well, maybe not

What the hell are you doing in GD?

Posted: 2/14/2010 10:18:45 PM EST

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I'm surprised no one has pointed out that the fine folks at the CMP offer both surplus and commercial .22 target rifles (including Anschütz) through their sales program.

Posted: 2/14/2010 10:21:41 PM EST

[#12]

Hardly an Olympic grade rifle, but I did(and do) well in 3 position with it. I'm coaching a local 4-H 4 position team now and haven't done any matches in a while.

Posted: 2/14/2010 10:25:56 PM EST

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Hardly an Olympic grade rifle, but I did(and do) well in 3 position with it. I'm coaching a local 4-H 4 position team now and haven't done any matches in a while.

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/3690/dsc0738r.jpg

Nice gun!!

Posted: 2/14/2010 10:27:29 PM EST

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Sigh. At one time the Biathlon required center fire rifles in calibers like 30-06, 8x57, 7.62x54R - and were fired at 250m targets. Cartridges were carried in a belt. Men's 20km individual was the only event.

Now it is rimfires & 50m. Sort of a cartoon of the original.

Lem

Posted: 2/14/2010 10:32:25 PM EST

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You'd think for the price, they would at least make the rifle look better than a turd.

Holy fucking shit. Are you serious? GTFO.

Posted: 2/14/2010 11:41:05 PM EST

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There's at least two different kinds of rifles used: 50 meter (with regular bolt-actions) and biathlon (usually have straight-pull actions).

Russian American Armory makes some cheaper-than-German versions of both, including a sporter-version with a straight-pull bolt action (the Biathlon 7-2).
http://www.raacfirearms.com/rifles.htm

––––––––

I don't exactly know what a Fortner action is really, other than it has a finger bar you pull straight back and let snap forward to load another bullet. I've not ever seen a real technical diagram of what one involves.

"Straight-pull" is just a general name. RAA calls these guns a "crank bolt"; in the past when EAA was importing them they were termed a "toggle-bolt".

Also We Note: when EAA was importing them, the biathlon sporter was called the "Biathlon Basic". Owners on rimfirecentral said it was a very nice-shooting gun.
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Posted: 2/14/2010 11:43:43 PM EST

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You'd think for the price, they would at least make the rifle look better than a turd.

Holy fucking shit. Are you serious? GTFO.

Eh, he's right. I just finished making my rifle better.

Posted: 2/14/2010 11:46:01 PM EST

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2.5" target at 50 yards... that's not super special. The shooting isn't the hard part in this sport, its the balance between winning the race and controlling your heart and breathing rate coming up to the line. If it were me I would use my lever and probably still shoot the shit out of the Frenchies :P

Posted: 2/15/2010 1:42:37 AM EST

[#19]

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The lack of target shooting knowledge is staggering. Have mall ninjas completely taken over shooting sports?

I would hazard to say less than 10% of GD has any shooting sports background, and maybe 1% any international shooting / smallbore background.

In fact, there seem to be more flat-out ANTI-international shooting sports (it's gay, it's only .22, etc.) people than there are serious smallbore shooters who post here regularly.

A shame.

Though I haven't (yet) competed in small bore rifle, I love shooting them. My Savage MkII is deadly accurate with Lapua ammo. My club has a rimfire benchrest match they run in the summer, and I think I'm going to compete in it this summer.

Do it.
I have had a lot of fun competing in local matches, and you learn quickly and improve from them. Before I had kids, I was shooting more than I had in my life to prepare for the matches, and never came close to winning one. I met some small bore shooters and silhouette shooters and learned a lot. I still like to shoot in them, but I'm not as competitive in them without all the practice time.

Posted: 2/15/2010 2:07:32 AM EST

[#20]

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The lack of target shooting knowledge is staggering. Have mall ninjas completely taken over shooting sports?

I would hazard to say less than 10% of GD has any shooting sports background, and maybe 1% any international shooting / smallbore background.

In fact, there seem to be more flat-out ANTI-international shooting sports (it's gay, it's only .22, etc.) people than there are serious smallbore shooters who post here regularly.

One of the reasons that "regular" shooters have disdain for "target" shooters, especially the olympic disciplines is history shows us that the Olympic sports types, along with Fudds, will sell out the regular gun owners in order to protect their "sport" over and above the more pressing need of self defence.

The play book goes like this:

1) Mass shooting with 9mm pistol or semi-automatic center fire rifle. Maybe even a shotgun.
2) Gun banners and government (of either political persuasion) determine to ban all guns
3) Hunters cry for an exception saying they only want to hunt and distance themselves from gun nuts who "only want guns to practice killing people"
4) Olympic pistol and rifle shooters cry for an exception saying they only need .22's and air weapons and distance themselves from gun nuts who "only want guns to practice killing people"
5) Olympic skeet/trap/whatever shooters and the uber-wealthy distance themselves from gun nuts who "only want guns to practice killing people"
6) Black rifle owners are sold out by pistol shooters who distance themselves from gun nuts who "only want guns to practice killing people at extreme distances when nobody needs an assault weapon for home defence"
7) Pistol shooters are sold out by fudds and target shooters who claim "Nobody should need a gun for self defence"
8) Centerfire shooters are sold out by rimfire shooters
9) Rimfire shooters are sold out by air-pistol and rifle shooters.

And so it goes on....

This is the truth here, until 2005 we did not have restrictions on barrel length buth thanks to the olypic shits 'protecting the sport'.
Just to prove what the complete wussie ness of it all, there has never (as far as I know) been a crime comiited here with a legally held SBR but they were banned just in case

Posted: 2/15/2010 2:27:16 AM EST

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I'm trying to figure out why the barrels are so long and the stock look really heavy.

They're long & heavy because they have to use iron sights. Plus, they've been skiing so their heart rate is well above rest levels as far as beats per minute. Until you've tried it, you have no idea how much a high heartrate & quick breathing will throw off your aim.

Posted: 2/15/2010 2:52:20 AM EST

[#22]

Wan'a buy one do ya, son ?

I got about as good as meer money can buy,&ammo to match

Posted: 2/15/2010 3:00:20 AM EST

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The guy who I used to know that competed (not at the Olympic level) used an Anschutz.

ETA: Their website says they supply 95% of the rifles used.

Anschutz

Most are Anschutz, and they have longer barrels or at least bloop tubes as the sight picture sucks on short rifles...

Posted: 2/15/2010 3:53:31 AM EST

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As far as rifles go I think there are only two real competitive manufactures anymore.

Anschutz (Ger) which has most of the market share run about 3-4k with the rifle special harness, and spare mags

Izmash (Rus) still has plenty of people using them. These run about 1500 for the rifle harness and mags.

Both are straight pull and both can be had in left and right handed versions.

Accurate but not world class small bore rifles by any means. Designed to be heavy enough for regulation but easy to carry, quickly get into shooting position and have space on the stock for spare mags.

I'm pretty sure that with a re-stock to a modern biathalon type stock, sling, and hand-stop I could press my 1940's vintage Remington M37 into service. It weighs a little over 10lbs with the 28" bull barrel, and was used in many smallbore matches in New England back in the day. Even the sights might be competative,

It makes the 541X, my Win 52, and even most anschutz I've seen look flimsy. Hell, even the magazines are milled steel, and every screw is case hardened.

I don't have any pictures on this computer and it is hard to find any online since it is such a limited rifle, but I'll post some up tonight when I get back from work if this thread is still active.

Anyways, I love real smallbore shooting. Gotta find a group in the area that does it. So far a few smallbore pistol and rifle silohette is all I can find

I want to compete, but don't want to have to go up against people with $10k invested in all sorts of special shit down to fitted sweatbands.

And not benchrest either. Iron sights, 3 position shooting damnit! Friggin bench guys with bags, vises, gigantic scopes, etc. etc. At that point, how can you not hit the 10 ring every time? (Oh god, the pimp my 10/22 folks! Everything is rainbow annodized!

) I'm much happier on a mat, prone in the sun taking my time to even FIND the target in the front globe.

I'm much happier shooting a .22 than most anything anyways if I'm shooting by myself. If I'm shooting with other people, I take out the "fun stuff" (the AR, mil-surps, hot .357 handloads, tacticool and high-cap shit, etc). Shooting .22 with others can get boring though. But If I'm shooting alone, sometimes it is slow and deliberate, sometimes just fast plinking with the marlin lever or marlin 60, sometimes it is spending half an hour to make incredible distance shots with an old Colt or S&W rimfire pistol. Just a good thing for mind and body.

Posted: 2/15/2010 4:14:40 AM EST

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Am I wrong to think it would be cool if they used NECCO Wafers as targets???

Imagine how much more fun it would be to watch Biathalon if they were shooting at NECCO Wafers @ 100 meters!

Posted: 2/15/2010 4:28:42 AM EST

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They give them those so that they wont kill each other on the hill. However I say give them all m1's and whoever finishes wins

Posted: 2/15/2010 4:29:03 AM EST

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Some major fail in this thread. Although I've never done it, I'm familiar with the classical shooting sports.

It was just good to see biathlon in prime time yesterday. It seems to me it usually gets stuck on the odd cable channels at odd hours.

Posted: 2/15/2010 4:38:48 AM EST

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I think they get whatever bulk ammo is on sale at Walmart because my buddy's brother's uncle's third cousin's neighbors's friend says you can't find any at all at the Vancouver Walmart and they usually have tonnes of it any other time.

Posted: 2/15/2010 4:42:21 AM EST

[#29]

I love my Anschutz 1813. Shot it 2-3 nights per week for about 4 years. I need to take her back out and show her some lovin'

Posted: 2/15/2010 4:47:27 AM EST

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Talk about breath control, can you imagine Cross country sking all out and then hitting a 1 inch target at 25yds with iron sights.

I thought they were shooting at 50 meters.

Posted: 2/15/2010 4:48:28 AM EST

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It would probably surprise some of you, but Wolf makes some really good .22 ammo for shooting with.

I always heard Wolf 22 was good stuff.

It is. It's probably the best performance vs. price ammo you can buy. There's better ammo but it's a lot more expensive. BTW, it's made in Germany, not Russia.

Posted: 2/15/2010 4:54:46 AM EST

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I'm pretty sure that with a re-stock to a modern biathalon type stock, sling, and hand-stop I could press my 1940's vintage Remington M37 into service. It weighs a little over 10lbs with the 28" bull barrel, and was used in many smallbore matches in New England back in the day. Even the sights might be competative,

It makes the 541X, my Win 52, and even most anschutz I've seen look flimsy. Hell, even the magazines are milled steel, and every screw is case hardened.

I don't have any pictures on this computer and it is hard to find any online since it is such a limited rifle, but I'll post some up tonight when I get back from work if this thread is still active.

A friend of my dad's has a Rem 37. Beatiful gun. Well, I assume he still has it. I haven't seen him in the few years since my dad passed.

How popular are shooting sports in your country?

In the United States, finding something might not be too difficult, but I figured options in your country, and other African counties, might be limited/restricted.

Posted: 2/15/2010 4:55:08 AM EST

[#33]

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What do these rifles do for the money? What advantage do they have over youre basic 22 lever?

They are shooting machines. They're specifically designed for the limited tasks they're asked to do in competition. Stock fit, barrel length, weight, etc. are all purpose specific. Did you see the shooter work the action? Those straight bolts are specifically designed to work with gloves on and to be operated without disturbing the sight picture/point of aim. The precision of every little part is unreal. BTW, the price of the sights alone would buy two basic lever action .22 rifles.

Posted: 2/15/2010 4:56:34 AM EST

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Talk about breath control, can you imagine Cross country sking all out and then hitting a 1 inch target at 25yds with iron sights.

They train to control heart-rate too.

Posted: 2/15/2010 5:05:30 AM EST

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http://images107.fotki.com/v543/photos/4/453080/1755002/Anschutz-vi.jpg

I love my Anschutz 1813. Shot it 2-3 nights per week for about 4 years. I need to take her back out and show her some lovin'

Looks good!

Mines slightly older. It's an Anschutz 1407 barrelled action in a modified 1410 stock with a Neal Johnson Gunsmithing butt plate. We got it through Neal Johnson, who was my coach at the time.

The previous owner, Olympian and West Virginia Coach Ed Etzel, had modified the stock so that the barrelled action would sit lower, making it balance more like a Walther GX-1 free rifle.

Posted: 2/15/2010 5:09:27 AM EST

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I am not sure what they are shooting at the Olympics - but I had the chance to shoot an Anschultz Olympic model a few years back (so not current production). I was told it ran about 4k without sights (and probably had the better part of 1k of sights on it - the owner got it for about 3k used. It was very nice - but since it was not fitted to me I could shoot other rifles more accurately. Owner had the the trigger set lighter than anything I have ever touched before. 1-2oz my guess. Literally it would fire as you felt you were touching the trigger.
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I coach in 4H. 4H is not about competitive shooting. It is about teaching children firearms safety, and life skill. That said, our team wins plenty of state level metals, and a couple national ones. We use lower end Anshultz and cheep ammo - ultimately at the level we shoot, it is more about the shooter than the equipment. At higher levels of competition - those couple points the equipment are costing would make a larger difference.

Posted: 2/15/2010 5:17:45 AM EST

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http://images107.fotki.com/v543/photos/4/453080/1755002/Anschutz-vi.jpg

I love my Anschutz 1813. Shot it 2-3 nights per week for about 4 years. I need to take her back out and show her some lovin'

Looks good!

Mines slightly older. It's an Anschutz 1407 barrelled action in a modified 1410 stock with a Neal Johnson Gunsmithing butt plate. We got it through Neal Johnson, who was my coach at the time.

The previous owner, Olympian and West Virginia Coach Ed Etzel, had modified the stock so that the barrelled action would sit lower, making it balance more like a Walther GX-1 free rifle.

Thanks - Post some pics of your rig if you have any! A fellow teammate had a GX-1 sweet setup. Walther Vs. Anschutz is a bit like the whole Ford Vs. Chevy thing. There was a lot of crap thrown back & forth!

Posted: 2/15/2010 5:28:56 AM EST

[#38]

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You'd think for the price, they would at least make the rifle look better than a turd.

There has been a ton of bullshit posted here, but this was the line that pushed me over the edge.

These rifles are purpose built in every way. They are beautiful. Each one is adjustable to exactly match its shooter.

The rifles are mostly Anschutz, but there are many other manufacturers of fine .22 target rifles. The rifle manufacturers include: Anschutz, Feinwerkbau, Steyr, Hammerli, Walther, etc.

These rifles will shoot groups that are capable of perfect scores. Ruger 10/22s and Henrys are fun. I own both types, but they are not capable of producing the accuracy that it takes to set world records in most events.

The top ammos for target events are Lapua (Midas), Eley (Tenex), SK, Wolf, RWS, etc.

Top competitors will send their action to the factory to have many lots of ammunition tested in it. The goal is to find the one combination that shoots the tightest group.

There are many competitive shooters that see their game as better than the frivolities of the unwashed masses. But, many of us are die hard supporters of freedom. I knew several female pistol shooters on a college team that wouldn't shoot rifle because they had been snipers in the Balkans before coming to America. The accuracy of even a low level target shooter is amazing.

The shooting advances that have come from target shooting are numerous. Something as simple as an AR float tube originated with a competitive shooter.

In the Nagano games, biathlon shooters had to submit to retinal scans to get their rifles and gear out of "safe" storage. Most people will never know restriction like target shooters who compete internationally. We have much to be thankful for in America, but we can never give up to fight to reclaim all the freedoms that even we have lost.

Posted: 2/15/2010 5:40:33 AM EST

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The rifle I have, is an Anschutz 2013 super match.

What will this gun do?

It will put 20 rounds through one hole, prone with a sling.

Cost?
(approx)

Rifle 2500
Sights 500
Spotting scope 100
Scope stand 100
Offhand stand 150
prone mat 75
Kneeling role 30
Glove 35
Cordura shooting jacket. 150
Over 3500 already, and just starting to get competitive.
All we have to do know is get into the custom stuff

Leather shooting pants and jacket
Hat with side blinders
Prescription glasses with correct focal plane for shooting if worn.
Custom molded ear plugs
Tmer
Special shooting boots
List goes on.

I shot Olympic style .22 for years. Got pretty good at it and still do alright. My rifle weighs about 15 lbs. I LOVE handing it to people who think they are bad asses with a rifle, and watching them not be able to hit the black. In small bore position and fundamentals of marksmanship are key.

People think they have a light trigger when it's 4#. What do you think of a 1# trigger? Is that light?

My trigger is 7 oz. (0.43 lbs) I can lighten that to 5 if I need to.

Ammo, Federal gold match is all I ran. 10-15$ a box of 50. There's other ammo that's more than that. I'd go through 3-400 rounds/ week when i was in the swing of it.

Posted: 2/15/2010 5:41:35 AM EST

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It would be funner with M-14's.

Who the hell would pick an M14 over an AR15 or AR10, for a test of pure accuracy?

People who say "Funner".

Posted: 2/15/2010 6:05:39 AM EST

[#41]

My 1811 with a 100yd target from its first trip to the range. It was a bit of an experience to shoot when you don't know the click values for the sights ( I'm guessing they're roughly 1/8MOA ) and the rear sight has one knob with a clockwise thread, and the other counter clockwise. I've only shot the 1811 two or three times since I bought it a couple of years ago –– too little time and no smallbore prone matches (that I know of) in the area...

Posted: 2/15/2010 6:12:17 AM EST

[#42]

they shoot 25m standing at targets about the size of a grape fruit
prone is 50m at silver dollar sized

2 different ranges for the biathlon

Posted: 2/15/2010 8:35:08 AM EST

[#43]

Well, since I have Biathlon tickets, I will try and check out the rifles in as great a detail as I can.

Posted: 2/15/2010 8:50:40 AM EST

[#44]

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Prescription glasses with correct focal plane for shooting if worn.

What is the correct focal plane? I assume it is the distance to the front sight but I would like to confirm that.

How would you specify this to an optometrist?

Posted: 2/15/2010 9:12:46 AM EST

[#45]

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Prescription glasses with correct focal plane for shooting if worn.

What is the correct focal plane? I assume it is the distance to the front sight but I would like to confirm that.

How would you specify this to an optometrist?

It is based on your head position, so you are looking through the best part of the lens, at the optimal angle.

Posted: 2/15/2010 11:26:51 AM EST

[#46]

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Prescription glasses with correct focal plane for shooting if worn.

What is the correct focal plane? I assume it is the distance to the front sight but I would like to confirm that.

How would you specify this to an optometrist?

It is based on your head position, so you are looking through the best part of the lens, at the optimal angle.

Probably cheaper to get laser eye surgery than buy the glasses...

Posted: 2/15/2010 2:36:51 PM EST

[#47]

Can somebody explain the deal with the mag storage on the side of the stock. Is that just a convenience thing or is there some regulation involved? I noticed shooters slipping mags into the rectangular holes in the forearm and I suddenly realized what the holes were for. But what's the story behind this?

Posted: 2/15/2010 4:10:25 PM EST

[#48]

What's the best way to clean rifles like this?

Posted: 2/15/2010 4:16:24 PM EST

[#49]

I shot International 3-Position smallbore and air rifle back in college. Morehead State, KY. Those were the days, 3 days of practice a week, road trips, and shooting against some tough schools. I shot on the same line as Nancy Napolski, gold medalist, and several others. We shot Eley Tenex at matches and used cheaper ammo as practice.

Our team used older Anschutz 1813's and Diana RWS 100's for air rifle. Although a few had their own rifles. I made due with the 13's but wanted one of my own. I had a rifle built from an Anschutz Model 54 match action/barrel to a 1907 stock assembly (modified with an Anschutz butthook assembly in the place of the rubber buttplate). Sights were included with the 54 and I sold the old stock to re-coupe some of the cost. It was about $800.00 in 1995 dollars (still cheaper than new or used) and it shot beautifully. I think it has a 26" barrel, not sure. It was heavy but a very steady platform. I also had a custom set of leathers made and ahg boots (every little bit helps).

As a poster above mentioned. It is all about making the rifle fit you. And that costs money. It was expensive for a poor college student but it was fun. The rifle sits in my parents house and hasn't been shot in 10 years