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Posted: 1/3/2010 9:38:03 AM EDT
As the self appointed spokesman of the Not Very Secret Society of the 18-20, since I'm sure we will have another flurry of last minute "which one should I get before the price goes up" posts today (and probably quite a few in the future) I'm going to put all the known answers and info in one place.
I cant find the OBR on the web site, how do I order one? http://www.larueobr.com/ Price is $2995 as of 1/4/2010 If you get an error trying to place an order from this site, try loading the site from its original name http://www.larueosr.com/ I hear about an OBR and OSR what is the difference There is only one gun, the OBR, it was called OSR right up until the week before they started shipping at which point larue discovered an A.R.M.S. product called the Optic Swan Rail at which point Mark decided he's paid enough lawyer fees over acronym infringement and changed the name I cant make up my mind, why would I want a 20" over a 16" or vice versa? 16" is easier to carry, 20" has higher initial velocity (better powder burn) . Higher initial velocity means higher velocity further down range higher velocity means more accurate shots in most cases. 18" is a happy medium between the two. I started a thread on the "velocity data" awhile back which can be found here Seriously, other than aesthetics that is all there is to it. So you are saying the 16" cant be effectively shot at long range? nope, negative, not at all, as can be seen in this thread the OBR can be effectively shot at long range even with a 16" barrel. But an 18" or 20" is going to be better or more flexible on loads to do it than a 16" especially if you dont handload Why do you hate the 16" gun I don't, it has its place and there is not a darn thing wrong with the 16" gun. If thats what you want get one, nobody has had a bad thing to say about one yet. If I order a 18 or 20 inch gun today how long is the wait? Same as if you order a 16" there is one line for OBRs they will be built in the order they were, well, ordered regardless of length. Common belief is delivery for new orders is going to be 6 months or more as of 1/3/2010. You will NOT be charged until the gun is ready to ship, and Larue will call to confirm grip/stock/muzzle device details prior to shipping. You may see me and others asking about short term delivery, this is because Larue has only been shipping the OBR for about a month and focused on testing and building the 16" up to now and has yet to ship a 18" or 20" gun. This means those of us who ordered an 18" or 20" in late 2008 or early 2009 are choosing to wait longer than our order position would allow for the 18"/20" guns. Hopefully this will change soon. On 1/2/2010 Mark posted for the first time that the 20" had been tested. If you ordered from probably April 2009 up to today none of this is like to matter as to how long you will wait. What is the difference in the way they look? This is an old graphic but the basics are confirmed to be correct (handguard length, yes the 18 and 20 have the gas block protruding from the handguard where the 16 does not.) The design of the gas block has changed and the visible part may look a little different now ![]() how about actual pictures of the gun Early prototype This is an 18" gun ![]() From shot show 2010 video from ar15.com the gas port on the long gun ![]() the 18" ![]() the 20" ![]() Your pictures suck, where is the video: Here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgZCCcmhVMs |
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Not Very Secret Society of the 18-20 Consider me a member! Thanks for the thread, hopefully it will eliminate some of the same posts from popping up over and over! |
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Great thread!
However, the price is off by about $10. Last I looked, it's still $2485 for any configuration on both websites (LaRueOSR.com VS LaRueOBR.com). Obviously, only until Midnight tonight. ET? Texas time? ![]() Also, I placed an order with LaRue just prior to the end of the year (while making a donation via purchase of a Ft Hood BET) and among the paperwork, there was an OBR four page fold-out. The picture is (according to the text regarding the barrel) of an 18 inch barreled OBR with SureFire muzzle brake (spelled 'break' ![]() ETA |
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Can I be a member of the 18" club????? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE! sure thing, dues are that you have to post a picture of the 18" or 20" OBR when you get it with at least 1 *10* shot group from at least 100y |
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Quoted:Thanks, I didnt relook at the price I'll fix it in a second.
I guess the 18 was a typo and they most likely meant that it was a 16.1" barrel? I really don't like the look of the gas block sticking-out like that, not to mention that it's not protected as the one on the shorter barrel but I am really thinking compromise on my part by getting an 18" anyway. I wanted a 20" but see the advantages of having a 16" so what else would I get? (Other than ArfCom style - BOTH!!! Or in this case, all THREE! Mfingar has been consistent in that the 18-20 WILL have the gas block sticking out so the picture should be pretty close (except that the block itself probably looks closer to this ![]() |
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OK now that there's a secret club for 18's and 20's we need some picks.
How bout it Mark? Watcha got? |
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What does one have to do with the other? Other than the shorter, the easier to maneuver with something additional extending from the muzzle.
I gonna slap a can on mine so I got the 16". |
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What does one have to do with the other? Other than the shorter, the easier to maneuver with something additional extending from the muzzle.
I gonna slap a can on mine so I got the 16". 2 things, one,1 a suppressor is going to add length\weight in itself second, most cans add a measurable amount of velocity to rounds passing through them so the initial velocity in a suppressed rifle will generally be higher than the same gun without the can on it. Not to say you can't suppress a longer gun it just gets even longer and faster ![]() |
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OBR 18" club, I'm in! Order was in 5 minutes ago!
Thanks to the Wifey!! |
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What does one have to do with the other? Other than the shorter, the easier to maneuver with something additional extending from the muzzle.
I gonna slap a can on mine so I got the 16". 2 things, one,1 a suppressor is going to add length\weight in itself second, most cans add a measurable amount of velocity to rounds passing through them so the initial velocity in a suppressed rifle will generally be higher than the same gun without the can on it. Not to say you can't suppress a longer gun it just gets even longer and faster ![]() I have never measured more than a 5fps difference suppressed vs unsuppressed using my Surefire can on 5.56, 6.5G, and 6.8SPC rifles with barrels from 12.5" to 19". This so-called "freebore boost" must only happen with other people's cans... ![]() Of course, the longer your barrel, the greater your POI shift when using a can. Since longer is always better, that must be a good thing! |
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Thanks to you both. I would imagine that because the SureFire's backset design probably adds such a negligible additional length, the extra time being propelled it offers the round before it exits the muzzle isn't really adding much in the way of velocity. That's probably why they engineered it that way, to minimize POI shift between 'can' on/off.
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What does one have to do with the other? Other than the shorter, the easier to maneuver with something additional extending from the muzzle.
I gonna slap a can on mine so I got the 16". 2 things, one,1 a suppressor is going to add length\weight in itself second, most cans add a measurable amount of velocity to rounds passing through them so the initial velocity in a suppressed rifle will generally be higher than the same gun without the can on it. Not to say you can't suppress a longer gun it just gets even longer and faster ![]() I have never measured more than a 5fps difference suppressed vs unsuppressed using my Surefire can on 5.56, 6.5G, and 6.8SPC rifles with barrels from 12.5" to 19". This so-called "freebore boost" must only happen with other people's cans... ![]() Of course, the longer your barrel, the greater your POI shift when using a can. Since longer is always better, that must be a good thing! |
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Ordered mine in 18"
![]() I'll deal with the wifey when the time comes ![]() ![]() eta: I think I'll just sneak it into the safe. Problem is, she's spent enough time on the trigger of my 5.56 she'll notice "it looks a li'l different". ![]() |
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i ordered a 20 Inch, I have a colt 6920 in 16 inch so this will fulfill my rifle needs I had a hard time choosing between a M1a or this. I chose this. I need to start looking for optics and a bipod for it.
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i ordered a 20 Inch, I have a colt 6920 in 16 inch so this will fulfill my rifle needs I had a hard time choosing between a M1a or this. I chose this. I need to start looking for optics and a bipod for it. The cool kids buy nightforce scopes and atlas bipods. ![]() |
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Not an official member of the club yet, as I have not received the call. Thinking on the 18" version.
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Not an official member of the club yet, as I have not received the call. Thinking on the 18" version. Don't sweat it, nobody is all the way in the club yet, even if you get "the call" you will be waiting on "the followup call" since Larue isn't shipping and in fact refuses to say when the 18 or 20 will ship. (I do take news that they started testing them as a positive sign though). |
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Yeah. The wait is killing me, but will be well worth it. Just trying to keep from tempting myself with a 16", and wait out the 18".
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I have no patience, but even less so when I dont know whats going on or can't get an explanation of same. I came pretty close last week to calling back and just taking the 16 since we were still getting no info whatsoever on the others and it was starting to look like they were pretty much forgotten/something that might not happen until demand for the 16" died.
But thats not really not what I want and I dont have an immediate need for the gun so I'll wait it out. |
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After seeing the recoil from the video posted in another thread, the 16 looks a lot better. I have an m1a w/sage ebr, so something a little more compact my be on the menu.
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After seeing the recoil from the video posted in another thread, the 16 looks a lot better. I have an m1a w/sage ebr, so something a little more compact my be on the menu. Its your job to make sure your shooting position results in the gun moving a minimal amount not the guns. (trick to shooting a gas gun is copeing with that huge bolt sloshing back and forth when it fires which CAN be engineered well or poorly). Besides I dont intend to ever dump a mag like that, and I'm not buying a shoulder standing/unsupported fired battle rifle, I'm buying a long range gun that will always be shot supported. But get what you want. |
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There's a good chance we might have an 18" or 20" OBR (or both) at our booth next week.
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There's a good chance we might have an 18" or 20" OBR (or both) at our booth next week. ![]() Hmm... Why don't you send to my ffl after that? ![]() |
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There's a good chance we might have an 18" or 20" OBR (or both) at our booth next week. ![]() You do know that if you make me die from excitement I won't be able to pay you, right? |
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There's a good chance we might have an 18" or 20" OBR (or both) at our booth next week. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Once the Shot Show has it's big reveal, how about some pics for those
of us waiting for Alfreds call??? ![]() |
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I don't think pictures are going to be in short supply of anything in that show next week.
![]() Though photo guns (or most photo's of guns) don't really do all that much for me compared to guns I can hold. Sadly nobody will believe that I work for a "gun oriented" profession (mostly because I don't ![]() Now a ship date for a 20" OBR announced at shot, that I would be interested in ![]() |
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I'd like to see some pictures of OBRs sitting ontop of the broken A.R.M.S. mounts!
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I got the call a while Back and Ordered the 18" with a surefire break and PRS stock, have a surefire suppressor sitting at dealer waiting on paper work.
I can post some pics. when i get it as well. The 10 shot group well I cant hit the side of a barn so my group isn't going to do much for you. Wait my wife shoots better than me might use her group ![]() |
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There's a good chance we might have an 18" or 20" OBR (or both) at our booth next week. ![]() Outstanding !!!!!!! |
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The question of 18 inch or 20 inch OBR.
I would figure out which will be the lest popular and order that. It might be a much more limited version of the OBR. And like the 2007 dillo's, have an added value in the future. ![]() |
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The question of 18 inch or 20 inch OBR. I would figure out which will be the lest popular and order that. It might be a much more limited version of the OBR. And like the 2007 dillo's, have an added value in the future. ![]() The 20" seems to be the less popular of the two. |
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The question of 18 inch or 20 inch OBR. I would figure out which will be the lest popular and order that. It might be a much more limited version of the OBR. And like the 2007 dillo's, have an added value in the future. ![]() The 20" seems to be the less popular of the two. I know. A friend built a DPMS with a sass 18 and I put together a 20 inch classic. Took both of us about a year to get the parts. Wish I had known about the OSR/OBR before starting the build. Now, out of work, will be a long time for me to get any stealth. I put a Magpul PRS on my build. Set the stock for the carry handle, remove, add a 5x15 Bushnell Legend in a LT 104 mount and dial up the cheek piece two notches on the wheel ... good to go. Of course I used the 308 version. You cannot go wrong with any choice of barrel on the OBR. The time to delivery will go by fast if you don't think about it. Or you can build a stealth 5.56 while waiting! What better way to pass the time. |
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The time to delivery will go by fast if you don't think about it. Or you can build a stealth 5.56 while waiting! What better way to pass the time. Oh, the number of guns I have built or bought while waiting on my OSR OBR, I dont want to think about it, or how much money I spent on them. (including one just to take the OSR's place in a class) |
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The time to delivery will go by fast if you don't think about it. Or you can build a stealth 5.56 while waiting! What better way to pass the time. Oh, the number of guns I have built or bought while waiting on my OSR OBR, I dont want to think about it, or how much money I spent on them. (including one just to take the OSR's place in a class) Are you still whining man... ![]() I have been waiting over a month you know...and it is killing me!!! |
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No, I really don't want to add up how much I've spent .
![]() Was a statement of fact nothing more, I bought a lot of stuff last year, including having to go to plan b. for the class. I really did order an OSR to take to a class 10 months after I ordered it, I really did have to buy something else when it became clear it wasnt going to come in. I don't hold Larue responsible for missing delivery, shit happens, in fact I bought a Larue mount for the replacement. But it really did happen, I'm neither bitter or "whining" about it. Hell, I was singing Larue's praises at the class (the mount's return to zero on being removed/reattached worked REALLY well, and we were shooting to 800). |
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As a self proclaimed member of the NVSS 18-20, I was just trying to get a laugh out of you my friend.
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I did laugh actually.
Just figured I would clarify anyway since it looked like my sense of warped humor might be backfiring again. Trust me, I know all about the "killing me" part. ![]() |
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LaRue any pics before the show? Just to wet the appetite
![]() FYI, I was planning on purchasing a SCAR 17 Heavy but might have to change it to a 18" OBR I already have the SCAR 16 Light and wanted a weapon for long range accuracy and this might just fit the bill. Thanks, James |
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Original post updated with actual real honest proof that the 18"/20" exists and may release sometime before the end of the year
![]() (16" OSR was at last year's shot show, was still December before we saw one). |
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Did I here you say that the 18 and 20 might not ship before the end of the YEAR???
Now, thats not good news at all ![]() |
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Did I here you say that the 18 and 20 might not ship before the end of the YEAR??? Now, thats not good news at all ![]() Considering how long I've already been waiting, I certainly hope not, but to date Larue despite nearly constant prodding by several people before they left for shot, refused to even comment on "when", we know a 20" was shot at least once, but that is about all the info we have about the non-16" variants moving closer to release. Just pointing out that because something (from a good number of companies, how many years was the ACR displayed?) is at shot doesnt mean that its going to be shipping tommorrow. Larue's other big annoucement (the baby OBR 5.56) is a "spring" release for example, and again if I heard properly, like the OBR will be out at first only in a specific configuration (in this case,SBR). |
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I'm really hoping the LT crew has spent the last year or so stocking up on parts and are getting ready to have a mass assembly party.
Any word on how many 16's have been shipped? I know I'm late to join the society, but that doesn't help the wait go by any faster. |
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