Any idea when this is supposed to hit market?

call and order one, 1995.00 from colt. they can tell you what you need to know to order.

What? The MSRP is $1295.00 I thought.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/01/27/marine-marsoc-m45-1911-now-offered-in-civilian-version/

its called the M45A1
its from the custom shop.


late summer


MSRP is 1999.99


there is already a giant thread about the MARSOC guns on arfcom.  if you do a search for it you can find it fast and easy

Hmm. So...




Besides the color/finish, roll mark, and grips, is there any difference between these two?

yes

some big differences

Could you elaborate please?

Trigger, sights, cocking serrations.

Also, rail/dustcover dimensions and dual spring recoil system.  

Long version is in the MEU(SOC) .45 thread on the 1911 side of the house.  

~Augee

this


I already mentioned the part in bold early in this thread.   I should have known no one would really search and find the info that has been posted on here for months

should have learned my lesson from the repeat threads asking about 901 shit, even thought there is a long thread with all the 901 details at the top of the forum page

probably why the tech forums are full of the same questions over and over and over

Take it easy crab ass, I was having trouble finding a link that wouldn't load as the mobile version of the site. I found it, I'll read it, I wasn't aware of it, it's not pinned or anything.

"I should've known shawnmt was gonna come up in here bitching about stuff like he does in every other thread." @_@

Lighten up.

your the one acting like a jerk

what made you think I was even talking to you?


I guess you been here long enough to know personal  insults are against the COC

or you probably didnt read that either though

You're gonna take "crab ass" as a personal attack? Really? I mean you just called me a jerk, I'm not running to the staff over COC violations over it, I have a thicker skin than that.

Dude, don't take it personally. You come off a little irate is all. Now I found the 34 page thread that explains EVERYTHING about EVERY permutation of the MEU(SOC) pistol. But I'm not finding a simple explanation of the Colt Rail Gun vs. the M45A1 regarding the differences between the two. Sorry if I'm not searching thoroughly enough.

I didnt call you a jerk.

I said you was acting like a jerk. are you  not reading, or reading into something what you want to read just so you can argue?


just like how you blew up and got your self in a twist over a few people saying dude should have irons with his eotech after he sawed off his FSB. before you even knew what was meant.  talk about being irate...

yes,calling some one an insult like "crab ass" is a personal attack.  per the sites COC rules. Not my rules.   If I was offended by it. I would have reported you with the report button.  



if you didnt see Augees picture break down of the M45A1 that he received from RON,   compared to the pictures of my rail gun, and Augee showing the size of the rail. the parts. the inside cuts, etc, then you barely looked in that thread.  I dont know what to tell you other then spend more time reading .

there is a "ignore" button on your screen you can hit it and never see me again. thats one of the perks you paid for with a team membership. You will never have to read my posts again.  Shit I was going to offer you up 3 of my 9 round colt mags since you live in NY if you liked the LR facebook page.    Was.

now I am not going to argue with you about it anymore. if you want to trash me for another 100 pages go ahead, but I am done with this stupid conversation

Holy shit, calm down. It's not that serious.

I looked through all 34 pages on that MEU(SOC) thread. Nowhere did I see pictures of the new M45A1 broken down and compared to a Colt Rail Gun.

Search shows no thread started by Augee on the subject, so I'm having trouble finding what you're talking about.

I'm not looking for, or asking for an essay/book report on the pistol. Just a simple "these are the differences between the Colt Rail Gun and the M45A1."

bump for anyone else that knows

Just wanna know how the M45A1 is different from your typical Colt Rail Gun.

Augee already answered that.

If you notice he said in the "1911 side of the house" aka 1911 section if the handgun forum.

A lot of the information is spread out amongst different threads, like the MEU(SOC) .45 thread.

Another good thread:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_29/222048_Colt_Rail_Gun_Selected_for_MARSOC.html&page=1

The largest difference between the "M45A1" and the Colt Rail Gun is the dustcover accessory rail dimensions, which is a larger difference than you might expect, because it more than likely required a brand new forging to be created, as I doubt the original CRG forging had the material for it, but I can't confirm that.  

The CRG, like most railed dustcover pistols does not have a MIL-STD compliant 1913 rail, but rather a modified dimension that will fit almost all existing Picatinny Rail interface accessories that currently exist.  However, the military requested that a MIL-STD 1913 rail be used, as future accessory manufacturers may build from MIL-STD prints and dimensions, and could potentially not fit a commercial railed frame.  

In order to do so, the CRG's dustcover had to be increased in depth to allow for the full MIL-STD 1913 dimension.  In order to offset the weight, a lightening cut was introduced inside the dustcover which may or may not have been omitted in production variants, but was almost certainly modified.  

Funtionally, MEU(SOC) .45s had, in the past, been supplied with Wilson Combat Shok-buffs.  The "M45A1" introduced a dual, nested recoil mainspring design that is not present on the CRG and not currently available commercially other than (presumably) the civilian "M45A1s" scheduled to be released.  

Also, some of the parts, more than likely the barrel, link, bushing, disconnector, hammer, and possibly the thumb and grip safety may be different or at least held to much stricter tolerances to fulfill the Marine Corps requirements for 100% drop in interchangeability, a feat not yet seen in a 1911 platform, and intended to reduce the demands on Marine Corps 2112 precision gunsmiths.  

More minor differences include the trigger which appears to be a solid long trigger, though early test models came with medium length triggers.  Also, the sights are Novak low-mount night sights, rather than the standard, non-tritium three dot sights on the CRG.  The mainspring housing is also different, and features a military-style lanyard loop, while the grip screws are slotted and appear to be larger than standard grip screws.  

Other than that, the differences are largely cosmetic, the "FDE" CeraKote, as well as wider spaced cocking serrations, G10 grips (possibly VZ or MilTech), and obviously the markings.

Finally, my understanding is that the commercial "M45A1s" will be supplied with Wilson 47 magazines that are used with other USMC 1911s, rather than the flush magazines supplied with the CRG.  

~Augee

Much appreciated Augee, thanks again for stepping in and providing such a quick informative input.

This question's for anyone who might know their way around this stuff; if I wanted to have the M45A1 refinished in different cerakote colors, presumably the existing FDE finish would need to be bead blasted or sand blasted off before the new cerakote finish could be all applied. At the end of the day, this wouldn't mess up the tolerances any after the new colors are applied would it?

We are building the first lot of commercial Marine guns right now.  Should ship by the end of the month.
Brent

I might grab one of these!

1981

Will these be continous production, or only a small special run?  

~Augee

Our plan is for at least 80 per month ongoing.
Brent

What is the procedure to get one of these ordered?  Thanks for any help.

Good article on the M45A1 at Modern Service Weapons.  Interesting information on parts interchangeability.  Also, internal parts are apparently electro-nickel plated.

Awesome!