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Posted: 12/20/2010 8:59:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0: The Recce platform was something that sprung up within the NSW and 5th SFG communities that first became the Special Purpose Receiver built by Crane, which was supposed to be installed on any M4 lower. After a time when the perfect storm of the users wanting a match-grade trigger and the bolt-bounce issue was identified, the Special Purpose Receiver morphed into a complete rifle that was type-classified as the Mk12. Mk12: A BRIEF HISTORY (as authored by "LGT" & "FL") Mk12 Special Purpose Rifle (SPR) Scoped versions of the M16 rifle existed as far back as the 1960s. Like nearly all historic military rifles, the M16 went through decades of efforts to improve its accuracy, both in the military and civilian marksmanship communities. The need for the SPR dates back to the late 1980s and early 1990s when the 7.62mm M21 sniper rifle, a semi-automatic weapon of Vietnam vintage, was replaced by the M24 sniper rifle, a bolt action weapon. The M24 was originally specified to be a .300 Winchester Magnum, but the Army decided to field it in 7.62 NATO for a variety of economic reasons. This left the M24 in the unenviable position of being the worst of both worlds in the eyes of snipers at the time, since it lost the fast-shooing, semiautomatic capability of the M21, but did not gain the range advantage of the .300WM. This compromise left a vacant requirement for a fast-shooting semi-automatic sniper rifle. This need was most apparent in the US Army Special Forces (SF) community, since the other commands within the Special Operations Forces structure filled that need with Knights Armament Corporation's SR-25 sniper rifle. Army SF, being prohibited by its leadership from procuring the SR-25, sought the next best alternative, namely a Special Purpose Receiver (SPR) kit to convert the Army SF M4 carbines into highly accurate rifles. In late 1998, at the request of SFC Steve Holland of 5th Special Forces Group, and the approval of the SOPMOD joint IPT, the Special Operations Peculiar Modifications (SOPMOD) Program Manager, Troy Smith, authorized the purchase of 5 sets of commercial items as an SPR experiment. The original requirement was for USASOC, mainly the SF Groups, as WARCOM had the MK11, 7.62mm system. Once the SPR requirement was developed and demonstrated through experimentation, most of the other commands in USSOCOM added themselves to the Basis of Issue Plan (BOIP). The USSOCOM requirement for the SPR, with improved ammunition, was approved in July 1999, as part of the SOPMOD Kit, Operational Requirements Document, Version 5 (ORD 5). Further initial development included several variants of the SPR and new ammunition that were compatible with the M4 carbine's lower receiver. It was found that standard issue M855 5.56mm ammunition was not consistent enough to meet the requirement. In 2000, based on an upgrade requirement to provide a match-grade trigger to the design, Mr. Paul Miller, the SPR project manager, discovered an opportunity to pick through over 15,000 M16A1s that had been sent to Crane for destruction. Realizing that these M16A1 rifles, some of which were virtually new, could be used as "free lumber" to build full SPR weapons, Paul selected several thousand rifles to be set aside for the new SPR project. The SPR underwent a minor but significant name change, with the R having originally stood for "Receiver" now standing for "Rifle" The new weapon system was worthless without a matching round of ammunition to obtain the performance required. The PEO-SP USSOCOM authorized the new round that became Mk262 as part of the Mk12 system in August 2000. Paul Miller and his SPR team refined the 77-grain prototype ammunition and built approximately 124 SPR Rifles in the summer of 2001. These were finished just in time to ship out to Army SF in late October 2001, to be used in the first invasion of Afghanistan. The SPR rifles were extremely well-received, and the SOF combat units ordered hundreds more. In May 2002, USSOCOM removed the Mk12 and other complete weapons projects from the SOPMOD Program and placed them under the newly-formed USSOCOM Weapons Program. The fielded weapons included two versions (Mk12 Special Purpose Rifle Mod0 and Mod1). Fielding has since been structured for Mk12 Mod1 Special Purpose Rifle only. This rifle is used by Joint USSOCOM Commands and the USMC in combination with M262 (AA53, 77 grain) ammunition. Formal fielding of the full-rate production version of the Mk12 rifle and ammunition occurred in May 2003 and was completed in FY '04. In 2012, as the decade of war on terrorism was winding down and the SCAR weapon system began replacing the requirement for the Mk12, USSOCOM and Naval Special Warfare divested themselves of the Mk12 weapons system, and the Mk12 is now being looked at to fill a Designated Marksman Role within Brown Water Navy commands. * * * * * * * * * * The following parts lists and substitution parts was compiled by lancecriminal86 over the course of a LOT of research. Read up and pay attention! Below are the 100% .mil-spec parts lists to build a true SPR or Mk12 clone. Some of these parts are no longer manufactured and will require much effort and money to locate through forums and online brokers. Keep in mind the rifles were built off donor M16A1s, hence the prevalent A1 parts in the lower receivers and the BCGs. They were also first configured using parts available from 1998-2004, and most are inferior in some ways to newer designs. If this bothers you too much, STOP NOW. The rifles were issued as a kit in a Pelican 1700 case with cutouts. The kits included the rifle with suppressor, optic, bipod, an Eagle TAS-1 UMSS sling (unobtanium and also absolute crap), with a Dewey 1-piece cleaning rod plus Otis cleaning kit, and a cutout for magazines. An operator's manual was also included, however these have not been officially released for public consumption. However, the manuals are out there, and some companies building Mk12 uppers include one. Whether these are official .mil operator's manuals or specially made is currently unclear as the manual itself still contains language that it is not for distribution. - Alternate .mil-spec parts due to NFA, NLA parts, or changes in name/markings for current production in [brackets] - Extra notes about parts or availability are in (parenthesis) LOWER Lower receivers were standard across the SPR/Mk12 variants and the only variations would be between grips, stocks, and buffers. Most were marked either Colt or GM Hydramatic. All other parts were the same in regards to the lower parts. One caveat is the trigger, as the program originally selected the Knight's Armament 2-stage Full Auto Match trigger. Later on, some issues regarding negligent discharges occurred, and Geissele SSF triggers ultimately found their way into the Mk12 family. Whether 100% of all Mk12s eventually received the Geissele trigger isn't clear, so either is acceptable.
The upper receivers, which ultimately differentiate the four variants of the Mk12, have the most variation between each other. Early SPR/Mod0
ModH, Mod "Holland"
Naturally, once these rifles were issued to units, operators and even Marines used various non-issued parts. Here is a short summary of what has been seen: Early SPR/Mod0: Both Leupold 3.5-10x40mm and 3-9x36mm scopes have been used. Many have had carbine stocks like the old CAR-style, enhanced M4, SOPMOD Gen I, or even the Tactical DuoStock swapped on. Mod1: One 3rd SFG-issued rifle pictured with SSgt Robert J. Miller (MoH recipient) used an A.R.M.S #36 S-EX 5.56mm rail, and a Leupold M3X 10x fixed-power scope, possibly pulled from an M-24 or SR-25 rifle. Another has been seen with a Magpul PRS, LaRue mount, and a Premier Reticles 3-15x used by an AMU shooter, and a similar rifle was pictured on a FOB in a very posed-looking photo. Further, a USMC-issued Mod1 was seen using #22 Medium rings instead of High rings, and a LaRue mount has been spotted as well. Grips have varied from the usual A1, A2, and ERGO, and at least one Magpul MIAD has been used. As with the Mod0s, carbine stocks like the SOPMOD and M4 have been used on Mod1s. ModH: The Mod "Holland" was already a small-batch configuration, but even as soon as they were issued to 5th SFG units, some Ace SOCOM stocks were replaced with Magpul ACS and CTR stocks. Optics are basically anything existing in the unit's inventory, from S&B ShortDots still in the system, the 3-9x and 3.5-10x Leupold scopes from earlier Mod0s, and there's even a photo of an ELCAN on a Mod1 floating around. No non-magnified optics like EOTechs or regular Aimpoint M2/M4s, but Micros have been seen on offset mounts. Backup iron sights, as a whole, were almost entirely left unmounted. Grips were again the same usual selection. Parts Alternatives for Clone Building Many parts are rare, expensive, and/or both. Despite this, there are some alternatives to a 100% pure clone that will still provide the same visual look and performance. While not a museum-grade clone, most would be hard-pressed to discern the difference. Just know there are those of us out there that will haze and peer-pressure you into further moving your build towards a true clone. Barrel: Popular options are the White Oak Armament SPR barrel (rifle gas), BCM's SPR barrel, Rainier's Match and Ultramatch offerings (ensure it's the SPR contour with 12th Model profile), Ballistic Advantage's SPR barrel. Compass Lake Engineering can also spin a Mk12 profiled barrel with a Criterion chrome-lined blank, or even a Krieger, which was one of the original contenders for the program. The DPMS Mk12 barrels are NOT properly profiled for a clone. Optics & Rings: In the case of the Leupold 3-9x or 3.5-10x, it's generally okay to go for a non-illuminated version of either, sometimes with M1 or other turrets and reticles. As far as the NightForce scope, the 2.5-10x24mm is not generally released to the public anymore (with one recent exception through Sniper's Hide), so many use the 32mm or even 42mm versions with the #22 High rings. As for the rings, any of the recent produced A.R.M.S. #22s with the lever-stop humps are functionally the same, the desire for non-lever-stops is purely aesthetic when going for the most authentic look. As LaRue LT-104s have been seen in use, it is justifiable to use one depending on whether you have a specific rifle you want to copy, or even just if you absolutely cannot acquire #22 High rings. A.R.M.S. #38 SWAN Sleeve: The #38 family of sleeves are no longer available. Finding them secondhand usually cost $250-$300 easy, more for rarer early variants. Fortunately, PRi's copies of the sleeves look and function almost identically, with minor visual differences. PRi and other builders supply these currently for complete Mod0 builds. FSB: While the set-screw version of PRi's FSB is spec, most use the cross-bolt, clamp-style version. They are extremely robust, and when aligned and torqued, have been shown to hold strong enough that you'll probably shear your barrel extension pin or upper before it budges. This is mainly how Mod0 uppers are supplied by most vendors, including PRi themselves. Suppressor, Brake/Collar: Diverging from the OPS Inc. or AEM brake and collar will get you MAJOR flak. Trust me, I've been running an AAC SPR/M4 for years now and it took a LONG time to not get clubbed every time I posted it. The Allen Engineering AEM5 is basically the current production of the OPS Inc. 12th Model, as they were originally made by Ron Allen and his team in the first place. Only minor differences separate original OPS Inc. cans from AE cans, and these are only obvious to trained eyes. As far as the rest, you can swap Colt parts out for any other .mil-spec parts, like BCM, DD, CMT, etc. Any billet uppers/lowers, funky BCG coatings, extended bolt releases, etc. are extremely frowned upon. Remember, once you start going down the path of building a "better" rifle rather than what was spec, you're quickly beyond clone territory and would have been better off building a custom 16" or 20" rifle. Cloning is generally viewed as all-in or not at all. * * * * * * * * * * Complete Mk12 Mod0 / Mod1 Uppers Bravo Company Manufacturing High Caliber Sales Precision Reflex Inc. Specific Mk12 Tech Augee's side-by-side comparison of the original ARMS SWAN Sleeve and PRI reproduction PEQ Sleeves: bottom of p136 KOBK's side-by-side comparison of PRI Gen I, II, and III handguards, and Gen I and Gen II FSBs, and SWANs: middle of p137 Augee's Mod1 gas block tech: top half of p357 Glass1's Early Mod0 photo breakdown: middle of p449 tamboi's Leupold Vari-X, TS30, and TS30A2 scope history/lineage, and part numbers, p.792 * * * * * * * * * * As of 16 May 2024, Ron Allen is still making custom parts for his suppressors: * * * * * * * * * *  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/19/2014 11:34:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds:
FYI guys: We will have some 80% NDS-16A1 type lowers available later this fall. So if you want to do replica engraving you will have a blank canvas. Email Harlan to get on the "interested parties" list. Wonder if this is going to ever happen or not?? Has anyone heard anything more about this? 
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Posted: 10/20/2014 12:08:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
I agree. I play with the magnification on my FFP and watch the reticle, but I have only ever fired it at 10x. On 3.5x, the PR GenII FFP doesn't look much different than a fine duplex reticle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By Mblades:
Originally Posted By reswob:
Didn't mean to confuse anyone. I was indeed asking for which reticle was issued for the 3.5-10x40 Mod 0 scope. It looks like I am going to order a Leupold #67945 soon. 3.5-10x40 M3 Illuminated Mil-Dot. Kinda torn though whether or not I should stay in spec or order the First Focal Plane model... I have one of the earlier non illuminated models that was converted to FFP by Premier. FFP is all well and good but pretty much useless on a 3.5-10x scope. In a low power 1-x variable like a leupold or S&B short dot it works well and it works well in scopes with high top end magnification. I don't see too many situations where you'll dial back from 10x and still need to range anything, I shoot mine on 6-8x sometimes but i don't ever mil targets with it turned down. On 3.5x, the PR GenII FFP doesn't look much different than a fine duplex reticle. THIS...there is no way to bracket anything with it.... |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 8:56:44 PM EDT
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I just posted an early marked TS-30 A2 in the EE. The marked 3-9x ones are hard to find.
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Posted: 10/20/2014 10:18:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SevenSixTwoxFiftyOne:
Wonder if this is going to ever happen or not?? Has anyone heard anything more about this? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SevenSixTwoxFiftyOne:
Originally Posted By mike_nds:
FYI guys: We will have some 80% NDS-16A1 type lowers available later this fall. So if you want to do replica engraving you will have a blank canvas. Email Harlan to get on the "interested parties" list. Wonder if this is going to ever happen or not?? Has anyone heard anything more about this? I emailed and was told I was on the list. Haven't heard more yet, but these things could take time. I don't know their process but given the quality NDS puts out, it surely isn't a superfast turnaround from idea to implementation. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:27:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedFerret:
I emailed and was told I was on the list. Haven't heard more yet, but these things could take time. I don't know their process but given the quality NDS puts out, it surely isn't a superfast turnaround from idea to implementation. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedFerret:
Originally Posted By SevenSixTwoxFiftyOne:
Originally Posted By mike_nds:
FYI guys: We will have some 80% NDS-16A1 type lowers available later this fall. So if you want to do replica engraving you will have a blank canvas. Email Harlan to get on the "interested parties" list. Wonder if this is going to ever happen or not?? Has anyone heard anything more about this? I emailed and was told I was on the list. Haven't heard more yet, but these things could take time. I don't know their process but given the quality NDS puts out, it surely isn't a superfast turnaround from idea to implementation. The email i recieved " We have not yet made the less than 100% A1 lowers, but we will keep you updated as to availability. Thanks. Harlan NoDak Spud LLC " so i dont know if im on a list or not , from what it sounds like they are going to make some and i may or may not get an email about it.. Would be nice if someone from nodak would check in here again... |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 2:37:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: reswob]
[#6]
Alright, here's another question as I am preparing my purchase list...
Which A.R.M.S. #40 rear sight is the correct one on a Mod 0? I keep reading it's the #40STD-A2 and the normal #40 through out the thread. Note: I am going to be using the 3.5-10x40 scope. On a side note, my USGI A1 forward assist has shipped. Going to put it on an Armalite M15 upper receiver just like the PRI return upper posted here often. 
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:58:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: secretwheelman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By reswob: Alright, here's another question as I am preparing my purchase list... Which A.R.M.S. #40 rear sight is the correct one on a Mod 0? I keep reading it's the #40STD-A2 and the normal #40 through out the thread. Note: I am going to be using the 3.5-10x40 scope. On a side note, my USGI A1 forward assist has shipped. Going to put it on an Armalite M15 upper receiver just like the PRI return upper posted here often. http://i.imgur.com/cvFuw4W.jpg  |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:24:44 AM EDT
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Anyone hear anything from PRI regarding the reissue?
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Posted: 10/21/2014 3:04:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LongTrang]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By reswob:
Alright, here's another question as I am preparing my purchase list... Which A.R.M.S. #40 rear sight is the correct one on a Mod 0? I keep reading it's the #40STD-A2 and the normal #40 through out the thread. Note: I am going to be using the 3.5-10x40 scope. On a side note, my USGI A1 forward assist has shipped. Going to put it on an Armalite M15 upper receiver just like the PRI return upper posted here often. http://i.imgur.com/cvFuw4W.jpg Here's an oddball question regarding the same photo. What paint was used on that upper? I've noticed legit service used rifles and carbines using that "orangey/tan" color paint vs. the lighter tan on the lower. All the "camo" colors I've come across have been a light tan vs that deeper color. Anyone know the color or brand? Edit: I know that Mod 0 belongs to that nugget buster dude. He acquired a genuine Mod 0 upper. Hence the paint color question. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 4:09:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lancecriminal86]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LongTrang:
Here's an oddball question regarding the same photo. What paint was used on that upper? I've noticed legit service used rifles and carbines using that "orangey/tan" color paint vs. the lighter tan on the lower. All the "camo" colors I've come across have been a light tan vs that deeper color. Anyone know the color or brand? Edit: I know that Mod 0 belongs to that nugget buster dude. He acquired a genuine Mod 0 upper. Hence the paint color question. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LongTrang:
Originally Posted By reswob:
Alright, here's another question as I am preparing my purchase list... Which A.R.M.S. #40 rear sight is the correct one on a Mod 0? I keep reading it's the #40STD-A2 and the normal #40 through out the thread. Note: I am going to be using the 3.5-10x40 scope. On a side note, my USGI A1 forward assist has shipped. Going to put it on an Armalite M15 upper receiver just like the PRI return upper posted here often. http://i.imgur.com/cvFuw4W.jpg Here's an oddball question regarding the same photo. What paint was used on that upper? I've noticed legit service used rifles and carbines using that "orangey/tan" color paint vs. the lighter tan on the lower. All the "camo" colors I've come across have been a light tan vs that deeper color. Anyone know the color or brand? Edit: I know that Mod 0 belongs to that nugget buster dude. He acquired a genuine Mod 0 upper. Hence the paint color question. Maybe the Skilcraft stuff Bro-Dan likes to use? It's the Skilcraft obliterating compound or something like that, comes out tanish. Aparently all the beardy sunglasses and hair gel type folks use it. EDIT This stuff |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 6:21:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dangerdan]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: Maybe the Skilcraft stuff Bro-Dan likes to use? It's the Skilcraft obliterating compound or something like that, comes out tanish. Aparently all the beardy sunglasses and hair gel type folks use it. EDIT This stuff Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: Originally Posted By LongTrang: Originally Posted By reswob: Alright, here's another question as I am preparing my purchase list... Which A.R.M.S. #40 rear sight is the correct one on a Mod 0? I keep reading it's the #40STD-A2 and the normal #40 through out the thread. Note: I am going to be using the 3.5-10x40 scope. On a side note, my USGI A1 forward assist has shipped. Going to put it on an Armalite M15 upper receiver just like the PRI return upper posted here often. http://i.imgur.com/cvFuw4W.jpg Here's an oddball question regarding the same photo. What paint was used on that upper? I've noticed legit service used rifles and carbines using that "orangey/tan" color paint vs. the lighter tan on the lower. All the "camo" colors I've come across have been a light tan vs that deeper color. Anyone know the color or brand? Edit: I know that Mod 0 belongs to that nugget buster dude. He acquired a genuine Mod 0 upper. Hence the paint color question. Maybe the Skilcraft stuff Bro-Dan likes to use? It's the Skilcraft obliterating compound or something like that, comes out tanish. Aparently all the beardy sunglasses and hair gel type folks use it. EDIT This stuff  They make an enamel spray paint in the same color. It might be worth the try. The obliterating stuff it kinda thick. Its the perfect tan though  Its about the same color tan on US armored vehicles and such. Not to light, not too khaki, not too yellow, and not too brown. Just right. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 6:41:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
They make an enamel spray paint in the same color. It might be worth the try. The obliterating stuff it kinda thick. Its the perfect tan though
Its about the same color tan on US armored vehicles and such. Not to light, not too khaki, not too yellow, and not too brown. Just right. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By LongTrang:
Originally Posted By reswob:
Alright, here's another question as I am preparing my purchase list... Which A.R.M.S. #40 rear sight is the correct one on a Mod 0? I keep reading it's the #40STD-A2 and the normal #40 through out the thread. Note: I am going to be using the 3.5-10x40 scope. On a side note, my USGI A1 forward assist has shipped. Going to put it on an Armalite M15 upper receiver just like the PRI return upper posted here often. http://i.imgur.com/cvFuw4W.jpg Here's an oddball question regarding the same photo. What paint was used on that upper? I've noticed legit service used rifles and carbines using that "orangey/tan" color paint vs. the lighter tan on the lower. All the "camo" colors I've come across have been a light tan vs that deeper color. Anyone know the color or brand? Edit: I know that Mod 0 belongs to that nugget buster dude. He acquired a genuine Mod 0 upper. Hence the paint color question. Maybe the Skilcraft stuff Bro-Dan likes to use? It's the Skilcraft obliterating compound or something like that, comes out tanish. Aparently all the beardy sunglasses and hair gel type folks use it. EDIT This stuff
They make an enamel spray paint in the same color. It might be worth the try. The obliterating stuff it kinda thick. Its the perfect tan though
Its about the same color tan on US armored vehicles and such. Not to light, not too khaki, not too yellow, and not too brown. Just right. Sweet! Thanks fellas. One other question….does the paint wear? Meaning can we get that cool "beardy, sunglasses and hair gel I wear my udt shorts up to my chin battle worn look?" |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 7:53:21 PM EDT
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I need to put my Mk12 Mod 1 up for sale. PRI upper, TS-30 A2, correct scope mounts, correct bipod mount, harris bipod, etc. The only thing that's not right is the rear sight. I can include the lower if the buyer wants it. S&W stripped lower, RRA 2 stage match trigger and A2 butt stock. The gun has exactly 20 rounds through it. I broke in the barrel with the first rounds and function tested the gun to make sure it ran right. That was before I put the scope on it. Any idea of what a fair price for my gun is?
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:01:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LongTrang:
Sweet! Thanks fellas. One other question….does the paint wear? Meaning can we get that cool "beardy, sunglasses and hair gel I wear my udt shorts up to my chin battle worn look?" Ah geez. Just paint your gun and use it, a lot. If you're interested in other tans I opted for Aervoe Coyote Brown. Works for me. 
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:08:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Engineer5]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blown4point6gt:
I need to put my Mk12 Mod 1 up for sale. PRI upper, TS-30 A2, correct scope mounts, correct bipod mount, harris bipod, etc. The only thing that's not right is the rear sight. I can include the lower if the buyer wants it. S&W stripped lower, RRA 2 stage match trigger and A2 butt stock. The gun has exactly 20 rounds through it. I broke in the barrel with the first rounds and function tested the gun to make sure it ran right. That was before I put the scope on it. Any idea of what a fair price for my gun is? I would sell the following parts individually as most people can't/won't dump a large amount of cash at once as these are not cheap guns to build. Most guys are looking for just those individual parts. You can always do a package deal for some of the items if the buyer wants such as the bi-pod and mount, scope and rings etc. -Upper -Lower (I'd hang onto the lower so you can build another AR someday even if it's not a Mk12) -Scope -Mounts -Bi-pod Mount -Harris Bi-pod |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:15:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Ah geez. Just paint your gun and use it, a lot. If you're interested in other tans I opted for Aervoe Coyote Brown. Works for me. http://imageshack.com/a/img687/6590/aervoepaintcomparison.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Originally Posted By LongTrang:
Sweet! Thanks fellas. One other question….does the paint wear? Meaning can we get that cool "beardy, sunglasses and hair gel I wear my udt shorts up to my chin battle worn look?" Ah geez. Just paint your gun and use it, a lot. If you're interested in other tans I opted for Aervoe Coyote Brown. Works for me. http://imageshack.com/a/img687/6590/aervoepaintcomparison.jpg Thats a good comparison. I like the Aervoe paint, it seems to hold up well, I have some light coyote, highland and urban tan left but I am about out of coyote so I ordered some of the skilcraft obliterating compound. The rest of the stuff for my holland will be here tomorrow Insha'Allah, and I want to get it put together and painted asap. It would be done already if not for the incompetence of midway, but thats ok, I should get a chance to shoot it this weekend or next week. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:41:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades:
Thats a good comparison. I like the Aervoe paint, it seems to hold up well, I have some light coyote, highland and urban tan left but I am about out of coyote so I ordered some of the skilcraft obliterating compound. The rest of the stuff for my holland will be here tomorrow Insha'Allah, and I want to get it put together and painted asap. It would be done already if not for the incompetence of midway, but thats ok, I should get a chance to shoot it this weekend or next week. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades:
Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Originally Posted By LongTrang:
Sweet! Thanks fellas. One other question….does the paint wear? Meaning can we get that cool "beardy, sunglasses and hair gel I wear my udt shorts up to my chin battle worn look?" Ah geez. Just paint your gun and use it, a lot. If you're interested in other tans I opted for Aervoe Coyote Brown. Works for me. http://imageshack.com/a/img687/6590/aervoepaintcomparison.jpg Thats a good comparison. I like the Aervoe paint, it seems to hold up well, I have some light coyote, highland and urban tan left but I am about out of coyote so I ordered some of the skilcraft obliterating compound. The rest of the stuff for my holland will be here tomorrow Insha'Allah, and I want to get it put together and painted asap. It would be done already if not for the incompetence of midway, but thats ok, I should get a chance to shoot it this weekend or next week. It does hold up well, I like it. Here's the finished product-- 
PS I may or may not be shopping for a S&B Short Dot 1-8x so the M4A1 can wear the Mark 8 There are a few variables at play though
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:58:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Ah geez. Just paint your gun and use it, a lot. If you're interested in other tans I opted for Aervoe Coyote Brown. Works for me. http://imageshack.com/a/img687/6590/aervoepaintcomparison.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Originally Posted By LongTrang:
Sweet! Thanks fellas. One other question….does the paint wear? Meaning can we get that cool "beardy, sunglasses and hair gel I wear my udt shorts up to my chin battle worn look?" Ah geez. Just paint your gun and use it, a lot. If you're interested in other tans I opted for Aervoe Coyote Brown. Works for me. http://imageshack.com/a/img687/6590/aervoepaintcomparison.jpg Easy….easy…easy…. I already shoot the shit out of my guns. Just curious on color shade. The paint isn't even for my Mk12. That remains all black. I do Marine Corps displays and until I see a USMC issued Mk12 Mod 1 painted up..it will remain black.
Nice color chart though!  
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Posted: 10/21/2014 9:16:28 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
It does hold up well, I like it. Here's the finished product-- http://i59.tinypic.com/11rsuir.jpg PS I may or may not be shopping for a S&B Short Dot 1-8x so the M4A1 can wear the Mark 8 There are a few variables at play thoughQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Originally Posted By Mblades:
Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Originally Posted By LongTrang:
Sweet! Thanks fellas. One other question….does the paint wear? Meaning can we get that cool "beardy, sunglasses and hair gel I wear my udt shorts up to my chin battle worn look?" Ah geez. Just paint your gun and use it, a lot. If you're interested in other tans I opted for Aervoe Coyote Brown. Works for me. http://imageshack.com/a/img687/6590/aervoepaintcomparison.jpg Thats a good comparison. I like the Aervoe paint, it seems to hold up well, I have some light coyote, highland and urban tan left but I am about out of coyote so I ordered some of the skilcraft obliterating compound. The rest of the stuff for my holland will be here tomorrow Insha'Allah, and I want to get it put together and painted asap. It would be done already if not for the incompetence of midway, but thats ok, I should get a chance to shoot it this weekend or next week. It does hold up well, I like it. Here's the finished product-- http://i59.tinypic.com/11rsuir.jpg PS I may or may not be shopping for a S&B Short Dot 1-8x so the M4A1 can wear the Mark 8 There are a few variables at play thoughThat thing is perfect. A FDE short dot would be, perhaps, a little more perfect. Is the PRI tube factory FDE or did you spray it with coyote too? I wanted to go for a two tone look like the rifle in the top of the pic but I'm afraid the light coyote is going to be too far off, I may just spray the whole thing minus the tube. We'll see what the Tan Skilcraft stuff looks like whenever it finally comes in. 
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Posted: 10/21/2014 10:28:47 PM EDT
[#20]
Ha thanks. I rattle-can'd the PRI tube, upper and lower receivers, and dildo with the Aervoe CB. Buttstock, pistol grip, and scope still have their cherries
I had a PRI tube in FDE and foolishly swapped it for the black one (I change parts more than my girlfriend changes her panties). From memory the PRI tube is similar to the Krylon Khaki in the pic above and will give you the multi tone look you're looking for. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:11:14 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer5:
I would sell the following parts individually as most people can't/won't dump a large amount of cash at once as these are not cheap guns to build. Most guys are looking for just those individual parts. You can always do a package deal for some of the items if the buyer wants such as the bi-pod and mount, scope and rings etc. -Upper -Lower (I'd hang onto the lower so you can build another AR someday even if it's not a Mk12) -Scope -Mounts -Bi-pod Mount -Harris Bi-pod Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer5:
Originally Posted By blown4point6gt:
I need to put my Mk12 Mod 1 up for sale. PRI upper, TS-30 A2, correct scope mounts, correct bipod mount, harris bipod, etc. The only thing that's not right is the rear sight. I can include the lower if the buyer wants it. S&W stripped lower, RRA 2 stage match trigger and A2 butt stock. The gun has exactly 20 rounds through it. I broke in the barrel with the first rounds and function tested the gun to make sure it ran right. That was before I put the scope on it. Any idea of what a fair price for my gun is? I would sell the following parts individually as most people can't/won't dump a large amount of cash at once as these are not cheap guns to build. Most guys are looking for just those individual parts. You can always do a package deal for some of the items if the buyer wants such as the bi-pod and mount, scope and rings etc. -Upper -Lower (I'd hang onto the lower so you can build another AR someday even if it's not a Mk12) -Scope -Mounts -Bi-pod Mount -Harris Bi-pod Thanks for the advice! I was looking to sell it whole and hoping for a quick sale. Worst case scenario, I'll part it out. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:33:30 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blown4point6gt: Thanks for the advice! I was looking to sell it whole and hoping for a quick sale. Worst case scenario, I'll part it out. I'm fairly certain you could part out the upper quick, fast and in a hurry. I happen to know a guy looking for a FF RAS. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:40:01 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
I'm fairly certain you could part out the upper quick, fast and in a hurry. I happen to know a guy looking for a FF RAS.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By blown4point6gt:
Thanks for the advice! I was looking to sell it whole and hoping for a quick sale. Worst case scenario, I'll part it out. I'm fairly certain you could part out the upper quick, fast and in a hurry. I happen to know a guy looking for a FF RAS.
And I know another looking for a TS-30 A2 with correct scope mounts. 
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Posted: 10/22/2014 12:31:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: reswob]
[#24]
Here's a pic I found looking for MK12 related stuff found here...
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/467893__ARCHIVED_THREAD____5_56mm_M995_Armor_Piercing___Finally_found_it__Now_with_Pics.html&page=1 
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Posted: 10/22/2014 2:07:02 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades:
That thing is perfect. A FDE short dot would be, perhaps, a little more perfect. Is the PRI tube factory FDE or did you spray it with coyote too? I wanted to go for a two tone look like the rifle in the top of the pic but I'm afraid the light coyote is going to be too far off, I may just spray the whole thing minus the tube. We'll see what the Tan Skilcraft stuff looks like whenever it finally comes in. https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/837ffddca4b1d58f001053593892905c/tumblr_msnx89pBZ41suph8to1_1280.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades:
Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Originally Posted By Mblades:
Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Originally Posted By LongTrang:
Sweet! Thanks fellas. One other question….does the paint wear? Meaning can we get that cool "beardy, sunglasses and hair gel I wear my udt shorts up to my chin battle worn look?" Ah geez. Just paint your gun and use it, a lot. If you're interested in other tans I opted for Aervoe Coyote Brown. Works for me. http://imageshack.com/a/img687/6590/aervoepaintcomparison.jpg Thats a good comparison. I like the Aervoe paint, it seems to hold up well, I have some light coyote, highland and urban tan left but I am about out of coyote so I ordered some of the skilcraft obliterating compound. The rest of the stuff for my holland will be here tomorrow Insha'Allah, and I want to get it put together and painted asap. It would be done already if not for the incompetence of midway, but thats ok, I should get a chance to shoot it this weekend or next week. It does hold up well, I like it. Here's the finished product-- http://i59.tinypic.com/11rsuir.jpg PS I may or may not be shopping for a S&B Short Dot 1-8x so the M4A1 can wear the Mark 8 There are a few variables at play thoughThat thing is perfect. A FDE short dot would be, perhaps, a little more perfect. Is the PRI tube factory FDE or did you spray it with coyote too? I wanted to go for a two tone look like the rifle in the top of the pic but I'm afraid the light coyote is going to be too far off, I may just spray the whole thing minus the tube. We'll see what the Tan Skilcraft stuff looks like whenever it finally comes in. https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/837ffddca4b1d58f001053593892905c/tumblr_msnx89pBZ41suph8to1_1280.jpg A little off the paint subject but I'm gearing up to build the top rifle in this pic, the only parts I'm not sure on are the MRDS and offset mount. Is it a Docter? Thanks fellas. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 7:32:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: plante74]
[#26]
Quote HistoryThat thing is perfect. A FDE short dot would be, perhaps, a little more perfect. Is the PRI tube factory FDE or did you spray it with coyote too? I wanted to go for a two tone look like the rifle in the top of the pic but I'm afraid the light coyote is going to be too far off, I may just spray the whole thing minus the tube. We'll see what the Tan Skilcraft stuff looks like whenever it finally comes in. https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/837ffddca4b1d58f001053593892905c/tumblr_msnx89pBZ41suph8to1_1280.jpg ETA: wow another ToP. Here's the required pic. Most have probably already seen it. And an Old pre paint/a few changes pic of the mod 0  |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 9:37:38 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By reswob:
Here's a pic I found looking for MK12 related stuff found here... http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/467893__ARCHIVED_THREAD____5_56mm_M995_Armor_Piercing___Finally_found_it__Now_with_Pics.html&page=1 http://i.imgur.com/7sGLjgr.jpg is the arms lever broke off the front mount?? |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 1:37:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gunnut003]
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattNificent:
is the arms lever broke off the front mount?? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattNificent:
Originally Posted By reswob:
Here's a pic I found looking for MK12 related stuff found here... http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/467893__ARCHIVED_THREAD____5_56mm_M995_Armor_Piercing___Finally_found_it__Now_with_Pics.html&page=1 http://i.imgur.com/7sGLjgr.jpg is the arms lever broke off the front mount?? Yes. It was a rifle issued to an arfcommer, or an underling...at least he was the one who took the picture....I hosted it for him several years ago and posted in this thread, or the last one early on years ago. broken arms lever thread And USMC rifles painted with krylon...although no MK12, But MK262 discussion in thread. USMC rifles Plus is you google "majorar mk12" you will find sone other unique tidbits. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 2:32:35 PM EDT
[#29]
Can I be one of the cool kids again?
I blew off a meeting this mooring so I could slap the upper together real quick. Hopefully I'll have a chance to test it out this weekend, I have to decide if I am going to keep the barrel or not before I paint it and put the muzzle brake on. Then I'll torque and loctite down everything and paint the lower. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 2:39:40 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades:
Can I be one of the cool kids again? http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww232/Kyle_OA/Mobile%20Uploads/551A7621-B04C-482C-A994-EB8486A001A3_zpsghqz8bql.jpg I blew off a meeting this mooring so I could slap the upper together real quick. Hopefully I'll have a chance to test it out this weekend, I have to decide if I am going to keep the barrel or not before I paint it and put the muzzle brake on. Then I'll torque and loctite down everything and paint the lower. Looks great. What barrel did you go with? |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 2:52:27 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades:
Can I be one of the cool kids again? http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww232/Kyle_OA/Mobile%20Uploads/551A7621-B04C-482C-A994-EB8486A001A3_zpsghqz8bql.jpg I blew off a meeting this mooring so I could slap the upper together real quick. Hopefully I'll have a chance to test it out this weekend, I have to decide if I am going to keep the barrel or not before I paint it and put the muzzle brake on. Then I'll torque and loctite down everything and paint the lower. That is exactly what mine is setup as down to the bare muzzle....in 6.8 with an AE30...
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Posted: 10/22/2014 4:19:56 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades:
Can I be one of the cool kids again? http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww232/Kyle_OA/Mobile%20Uploads/551A7621-B04C-482C-A994-EB8486A001A3_zpsghqz8bql.jpg I blew off a meeting this mooring so I could slap the upper together real quick. Hopefully I'll have a chance to test it out this weekend, I have to decide if I am going to keep the barrel or not before I paint it and put the muzzle brake on. Then I'll torque and loctite down everything and paint the lower. Nice! Looks great. What barrel is in question? I seem to remember a lot of you were going with the 16" SPR contour barrels from Bison Armory, problems? |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 8:25:28 PM EDT
[#33]
Thanks guys.
I forgot to mention one important detail..... 
For a long long time I've wanted to build a 6.5 Grendel, I had initially planned on cloning the Mod 1 in the Robbert Miller picture, to go with my Mod 0. I liked the Holland as soon as Glass1 posted the first pics of it. The one complaint I have about the Mk12 (mod 0 in particular) is how big and heavy it is for what it does, I felt like the Mod H solved some of these problems. However, my hopes of building a Mod H were dashed when I threw a scope on my KAC SR-15 and realized I was getting accuracy that would be comparable to any Mod H I might build. I know this is AR15.com but I couldn't justify building it just because it looks cool. I got the idea of a 6.5 Holland after reading some posts about the 6.5 Grendel in shorter barrels. I had always been under the impression that the 6.5 benefited from or even needed longer barrel lengths, I thought I was going to be pushing it with the 18" mod 1 I had in mind. After looking into it further I came to the conclusion that a 16" 6.5 Grendel was worth giving a shot. I got the barrel off Midway quite some time ago, its one of their "AR Stoner" branded barrels made by Saturn. My trepidation about keeping it comes from the fact the barrel has the "Grendel II" chamber. There is a whole lot of controversy about this chamber and barrel in particular, I've read everything from; it's unsafe to shoot to it's better than the current SAAMI chamber. I figure the best thing to do is shoot it and see for myself. The barrel is threaded 9/16x24, I have a normal 1/2x28 Ops brake that I'll need to have bored out, i want to make sure the barrel shoots well before butchering a Ops brake. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 8:39:01 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades:
Thanks guys. I forgot to mention one important detail..... http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww232/Kyle_OA/Mobile%20Uploads/91DDF620-1A9F-4C9E-9642-608B020AF17B_zps9vewusw4.jpg For a long long time I've wanted to build a 6.5 Grendel, I had initially planned on cloning the Mod 1 in the Robbert Miller picture, to go with my Mod 0. I liked the Holland as soon as Glass1 posted the first pics of it. The one complaint I have about the Mk12 (mod 0 in particular) is how big and heavy it is for what it does, I felt like the Mod H solved some of these problems. However, my hopes of building a Mod H were dashed when I threw a scope on my KAC SR-15 and realized I was getting accuracy that would be comparable to any Mod H I might build. I know this is AR15.com but I couldn't justify building it just because it looks cool. I got the idea of a 6.5 Holland after reading some posts about the 6.5 Grendel in shorter barrels. I had always been under the impression that the 6.5 benefited from or even needed longer barrel lengths, I thought I was going to be pushing it with the 18" mod 1 I had in mind. After looking into it further I came to the conclusion that a 16" 6.5 Grendel was worth giving a shot. I got the barrel off Midway quite some time ago, its one of their "AR Stoner" branded barrels made by Saturn. My trepidation about keeping it comes from the fact the barrel has the "Grendel II" chamber. There is a whole lot of controversy about this chamber and barrel in particular, I've read everything from; it's unsafe to shoot to it's better than the current SAAMI chamber. I figure the best thing to do is shoot it and see for myself. The barrel is threaded 9/16x24, I have a normal 1/2x28 Ops brake that I'll need to have bored out, i want to make sure the barrel shoots well before butchering a Ops brake. Now this is my kind of post. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 8:42:29 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades:
Thanks guys. I forgot to mention one important detail..... http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww232/Kyle_OA/Mobile%20Uploads/91DDF620-1A9F-4C9E-9642-608B020AF17B_zps9vewusw4.jpg For a long long time I've wanted to build a 6.5 Grendel, I had initially planned on cloning the Mod 1 in the Robbert Miller picture, to go with my Mod 0. I liked the Holland as soon as Glass1 posted the first pics of it. The one complaint I have about the Mk12 (mod 0 in particular) is how big and heavy it is for what it does, I felt like the Mod H solved some of these problems. However, my hopes of building a Mod H were dashed when I threw a scope on my KAC SR-15 and realized I was getting accuracy that would be comparable to any Mod H I might build. I know this is AR15.com but I couldn't justify building it just because it looks cool. I got the idea of a 6.5 Holland after reading some posts about the 6.5 Grendel in shorter barrels. I had always been under the impression that the 6.5 benefited from or even needed longer barrel lengths, I thought I was going to be pushing it with the 18" mod 1 I had in mind. After looking into it further I came to the conclusion that a 16" 6.5 Grendel was worth giving a shot. I got the barrel off Midway quite some time ago, its one of their "AR Stoner" branded barrels made by Saturn. My trepidation about keeping it comes from the fact the barrel has the "Grendel II" chamber. There is a whole lot of controversy about this chamber and barrel in particular, I've read everything from; it's unsafe to shoot to it's better than the current SAAMI chamber. I figure the best thing to do is shoot it and see for myself. The barrel is threaded 9/16x24, I have a normal 1/2x28 Ops brake that I'll need to have bored out, i want to make sure the barrel shoots well before butchering a Ops brake. Did you have to have the barrel profiled for the OPS? |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 9:02:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mblades]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer5:
Did you have to have the barrel profiled for the OPS? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer5:
Originally Posted By Mblades:
Thanks guys. I forgot to mention one important detail..... http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww232/Kyle_OA/Mobile%20Uploads/91DDF620-1A9F-4C9E-9642-608B020AF17B_zps9vewusw4.jpg For a long long time I've wanted to build a 6.5 Grendel, I had initially planned on cloning the Mod 1 in the Robbert Miller picture, to go with my Mod 0. I liked the Holland as soon as Glass1 posted the first pics of it. The one complaint I have about the Mk12 (mod 0 in particular) is how big and heavy it is for what it does, I felt like the Mod H solved some of these problems. However, my hopes of building a Mod H were dashed when I threw a scope on my KAC SR-15 and realized I was getting accuracy that would be comparable to any Mod H I might build. I know this is AR15.com but I couldn't justify building it just because it looks cool. I got the idea of a 6.5 Holland after reading some posts about the 6.5 Grendel in shorter barrels. I had always been under the impression that the 6.5 benefited from or even needed longer barrel lengths, I thought I was going to be pushing it with the 18" mod 1 I had in mind. After looking into it further I came to the conclusion that a 16" 6.5 Grendel was worth giving a shot. I got the barrel off Midway quite some time ago, its one of their "AR Stoner" branded barrels made by Saturn. My trepidation about keeping it comes from the fact the barrel has the "Grendel II" chamber. There is a whole lot of controversy about this chamber and barrel in particular, I've read everything from; it's unsafe to shoot to it's better than the current SAAMI chamber. I figure the best thing to do is shoot it and see for myself. The barrel is threaded 9/16x24, I have a normal 1/2x28 Ops brake that I'll need to have bored out, i want to make sure the barrel shoots well before butchering a Ops brake. Did you have to have the barrel profiled for the OPS? The barrel doesn't have the step for the collar. I didn't think it was big deal because I figured being a 6.5 I wouldn't be getting an Ops suppressor for it anyhow. After buying the barrel I found out in this thread that AE will bore out a 5.56 can or make one with the correct diameter hole for 6.5 or 6.8mm bullets. I have a couple of options if I want to run the suppressor, I can send this barrel to ADCO and have them add a step for the collar or I can get a new barrel. If this barrel isn't accurate or has trouble chambering factory ammo then I'm just going to get a barrel from Lilja and have it reproofed by Adco. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 9:16:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KGLaw]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades:
The barrel doesn't have the step for the collar. I didn't think it was big deal because I figured being a 6.5 I wouldn't be getting an Ops suppressor for it anyhow. After buying the barrel I found out in this thread that AE will bore out a 5.56 can or make one with the correct diameter hole for 6.5 or 6.8mm bullets. I have a couple of options if I want to run the suppressor, I can send this barrel to ADCO and have them add a step for the collar or I can get a new barrel. If this barrel isn't accurate or has trouble chambering factory ammo then I'm just going to get a barrel from Lilja and have it reproofed by Adco. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades:
Originally Posted By Engineer5:
Originally Posted By Mblades:
Thanks guys. I forgot to mention one important detail..... http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww232/Kyle_OA/Mobile%20Uploads/91DDF620-1A9F-4C9E-9642-608B020AF17B_zps9vewusw4.jpg For a long long time I've wanted to build a 6.5 Grendel, I had initially planned on cloning the Mod 1 in the Robbert Miller picture, to go with my Mod 0. I liked the Holland as soon as Glass1 posted the first pics of it. The one complaint I have about the Mk12 (mod 0 in particular) is how big and heavy it is for what it does, I felt like the Mod H solved some of these problems. However, my hopes of building a Mod H were dashed when I threw a scope on my KAC SR-15 and realized I was getting accuracy that would be comparable to any Mod H I might build. I know this is AR15.com but I couldn't justify building it just because it looks cool. I got the idea of a 6.5 Holland after reading some posts about the 6.5 Grendel in shorter barrels. I had always been under the impression that the 6.5 benefited from or even needed longer barrel lengths, I thought I was going to be pushing it with the 18" mod 1 I had in mind. After looking into it further I came to the conclusion that a 16" 6.5 Grendel was worth giving a shot. I got the barrel off Midway quite some time ago, its one of their "AR Stoner" branded barrels made by Saturn. My trepidation about keeping it comes from the fact the barrel has the "Grendel II" chamber. There is a whole lot of controversy about this chamber and barrel in particular, I've read everything from; it's unsafe to shoot to it's better than the current SAAMI chamber. I figure the best thing to do is shoot it and see for myself. The barrel is threaded 9/16x24, I have a normal 1/2x28 Ops brake that I'll need to have bored out, i want to make sure the barrel shoots well before butchering a Ops brake. Did you have to have the barrel profiled for the OPS? The barrel doesn't have the step for the collar. I didn't think it was big deal because I figured being a 6.5 I wouldn't be getting an Ops suppressor for it anyhow. After buying the barrel I found out in this thread that AE will bore out a 5.56 can or make one with the correct diameter hole for 6.5 or 6.8mm bullets. I have a couple of options if I want to run the suppressor, I can send this barrel to ADCO and have them add a step for the collar or I can get a new barrel. If this barrel isn't accurate or has trouble chambering factory ammo then I'm just going to get a barrel from Lilja and have it reproofed by Adco. Speaking of that, ATF cashed the resubmitted check on my 6.8 AEM5. So ten months after ordering it I can finally sit back and forget about it until approval. Amusingly they withdrew it the day my account was hit with a slew of fraudulent charges. Fortunately the bank froze the card leaving just enough of a balance to not bounce. When it rains.... 
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Posted: 10/23/2014 1:13:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: stoner63a]
[#38]
Scored a NIW Colt M4 AF upper, fricken cool, I was going to break down and buy a C keyhole with intent to upgrade later but this works better for a few more $ Some of Braceman's work back, 1968 mfg Colt M16A1 80%er:  Four fricken times I used the edit function to rotate it right, replace original, but it keeps reverting back to this vertical fornication Drill press time, run it over for anodizing, stamp the magwell front with the DOD acceptance eagle stamp, and Bob's your uncle. |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 8:24:30 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stoner63a:
Some of Braceman's work back, 1968 mfg Colt M16A1 80%er: <a href="http://s67.photobucket.com/user/adlerarmory/media/IMG1624_zpsgtwpgcdt.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/adlerarmory/IMG1624_zpsgtwpgcdt.jpg</a> Four fricken times I used the edit function to rotate it right, replace original, but it keeps reverting back to this vertical fornication Drill press time, run it over for anodizing, stamp the magwell front with the DOD acceptance eagle stamp, and Bob's your uncle. That looks great. I just got a jig and three 80% lowers on the way. |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 8:25:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stoner63a: Some of Braceman's work back, 1968 mfg Colt M16A1 80%er: Four fricken times I used the edit function to rotate it right, replace original, but it keeps reverting back to this vertical fornication Drill press time, run it over for anodizing, stamp the magwell front with the DOD acceptance eagle stamp, and Bob's your uncle. I'll give you $10 for it! Good shit. |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 1:42:04 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnStoner: Wanted the light as far forward as possible. With the vltor light mount it cants up a little bit. For HD I figured it wasn't a big deal. I've taken it bunny shooting at night and it wasn't a problem so I left it alone. I've been successfully ignoring it until this picture, will end up with a new light mount shortly. Also have spray paint in camo colors and flat clear ready to go. Just need a few last parts and the right scope and I'll be painting them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnStoner: Originally Posted By plante74: Originally Posted By MILSPEC556: Originally Posted By JohnStoner: I have 4 of the leatherwood cmr 1-4x22, and have recommended them to several friends locally. Never had any issues. Works great with the bdc and many a rabbit and coyote have met their end under the gaze of my cmrs. Currently have one on a mk12 mod3 (mod 1 with urx III rail). I'll post some pics later. All in larue lt-104 mounts. Pics as promised: <a href="http://s277.photobucket.com/user/johndsphoto/media/MK12%20Mod%201/MK12Mod1and3DimClean_zps965077f7.png.html" target="_blank">http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk44/johndsphoto/MK12%20Mod%201/MK12Mod1and3DimClean_zps965077f7.png</a> <a href="http://s277.photobucket.com/user/johndsphoto/media/MK12%20Mod%201/MK12Mod3_zpsedcf0356.png.html" target="_blank">http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk44/johndsphoto/MK12%20Mod%201/MK12Mod3_zpsedcf0356.png</a> Another pic of a different gun with the Leatherwood CMR 1-4x22 <a href="http://s277.photobucket.com/user/johndsphoto/media/AR-15%20Collection/115andSig1911SuppressedCleanG5andImpulsIIA_zps722899b6.png.html" target="_blank">http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk44/johndsphoto/AR-15%20Collection/115andSig1911SuppressedCleanG5andImpulsIIA_zps722899b6.png</a> Nearly finished pics of the MK12 Mod1 and MK25. A few more parts. I have the front sight already, just haven't taken a solo pic with it yet - it can be seen in the double pic above. <a href="http://s277.photobucket.com/user/johndsphoto/media/MK12%20Mod%201/MK12Mod1wMK25andsuppressors_zpsf70ca408.png.html" target="_blank">http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk44/johndsphoto/MK12%20Mod%201/MK12Mod1wMK25andsuppressors_zpsf70ca408.png</a> Badass. whats up with the light in the second to last pic tho? Its pointing upward, unless its some kind of optical illusion lolWanted the light as far forward as possible. With the vltor light mount it cants up a little bit. For HD I figured it wasn't a big deal. I've taken it bunny shooting at night and it wasn't a problem so I left it alone. I've been successfully ignoring it until this picture, will end up with a new light mount shortly. Also have spray paint in camo colors and flat clear ready to go. Just need a few last parts and the right scope and I'll be painting them. just throw a few wraps of electrical tape around the the back of the light to thicken up the rear section a little and youll be back to level. |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 4:38:03 PM EDT
[#42]
So I got up bright and early this morning and decided to brave the wind and rain and run a few rounds through the Mod H. It was quite nasty out so I didn't bother trying to setup the chronograph, I just wanted to make sure everything functions as it should and get it on paper.
I shot a couple rounds into the berm, made some corse adjustments and shot this 3 round group right out of the gate. I was using the factory Hornady 123gr Amax. 
Here is a 5 round group after making some scope adjustments. 
I was using my SR-15 lower because I don't have a good trigger in the Mod H lower yet. It functioned flawlessly, I couldn't find any sand bags to shoot off of at the sight in range and didn't feel like tracking any down so I only used the bipod for support. It looks like the barrel is at least as accurate as I am and with the factory rounds I didn't have any issues with the chamber being too short, like some have reported with the Grendel II chamber. I'm excited to get back out there with a little more time and better weather. 
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Posted: 10/23/2014 4:58:51 PM EDT
[#43]
Called the ATF today. Found out my can didn't go pending until mid May when I assumed late march.... I guess I can stop running to my mailbox for a couple months!
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Posted: 10/23/2014 5:03:53 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By plante74:
Called the ATF today. Found out my can didn't go pending until mid May when I assumed late march.... I guess I can stop running to my mailbox for a couple months! Late June and early July pending date Form 4s are coming back approved. You should be any day. |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 5:16:32 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunterex: Late June and early July pending date Form 4s are coming back approved. You should be any day. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunterex: Originally Posted By plante74: Called the ATF today. Found out my can didn't go pending until mid May when I assumed late march.... I guess I can stop running to my mailbox for a couple months! Late June and early July pending date Form 4s are coming back approved. You should be any day. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 10/23/2014 5:59:35 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By plante74: Is that so? I guess I'll continue to hop skip and jump to the mailbox then! Thank you! I finally skipped back with something from mine today.    |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 6:02:10 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
I finally skipped back with something from mine today. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pv7Gny" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3953/15425690530_0a5dee5e47_h.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pv2hMB" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5610/15424635629_abedf4cc2c_h.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pv2hGB" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3954/15424635339_0b142bc75a_h.jpg</a> Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By plante74:
Is that so? I guess I'll continue to hop skip and jump to the mailbox then! Thank you! I finally skipped back with something from mine today. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pv7Gny" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3953/15425690530_0a5dee5e47_h.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pv2hMB" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5610/15424635629_abedf4cc2c_h.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pv2hGB" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3954/15424635339_0b142bc75a_h.jpg</a> Niiiiiice. How do you like it compared to the 3.5-10 ? I've been thinking about going to one next year on my Mod 0. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 10/23/2014 6:05:48 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunterex: Niiiiiice. How do you like it compared to the 3.5-10 ? I've been thinking about going to one next year on my Mod 0. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunterex: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By plante74: Is that so? I guess I'll continue to hop skip and jump to the mailbox then! Thank you! I finally skipped back with something from mine today. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pv7Gny" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3953/15425690530_0a5dee5e47_h.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pv2hMB" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5610/15424635629_abedf4cc2c_h.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pv2hGB" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3954/15424635339_0b142bc75a_h.jpg</a> Niiiiiice. How do you like it compared to the 3.5-10 ? I've been thinking about going to one next year on my Mod 0. The TMR reticle is the shit, and honestly, I'll probably pick up another to hold onto for a SAM-R build. |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 6:12:40 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
I like the look of the 3.5-10 but this one is pretty damn nifty. The TMR reticle is the shit, and honestly, I'll probably pick up another to hold onto for a SAM-R build. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By Hunterex:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By plante74:
Is that so? I guess I'll continue to hop skip and jump to the mailbox then! Thank you! I finally skipped back with something from mine today. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pv7Gny" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3953/15425690530_0a5dee5e47_h.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pv2hMB" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5610/15424635629_abedf4cc2c_h.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pv2hGB" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3954/15424635339_0b142bc75a_h.jpg</a> Niiiiiice. How do you like it compared to the 3.5-10 ? I've been thinking about going to one next year on my Mod 0. The TMR reticle is the shit, and honestly, I'll probably pick up another to hold onto for a SAM-R build. I agree. The 3.5-10 just matches the look of the Mod 0 perfectly, but I'll admit the smaller size of the 2.5-8 is a large part of the temptation. If I had kept the second Mod 0 I'd probably have done the classic ARF both routine. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 10/23/2014 6:30:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: secretwheelman]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunterex: I agree. The 3.5-10 just matches the look of the Mod 0 perfectly, but I'll admit the smaller size of the 2.5-8 is a large part of the temptation. If I had kept the second Mod 0 I'd probably have done the classic ARF both routine. Since I already had the typeD A1 , I figured I would "semi-clone" this mod0. The 3.5-10x40 mk4 is, and always will be the "best-looking optic ever produced." The size of the 2.5-8 is great, and the feel of elv./win. adjustments make my Vari-X III seem like a P.O.S. |
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