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Posted: 11/15/2014 5:40:07 PM EDT
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Prepare for responses overwhelming in favor of the KAC.
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Posted: 11/15/2014 5:45:19 PM EDT
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Prepare for responses overwhelming in favor of the KAC. Hahah.... Sweet. I'm kind "leaning" that way. The DD was a slow-burn for me. I kept going back to it mentally because at $1900 it's a good deal. But the KAC...I had an immediate "emotional" response when I handled that one! I mean that in such a way that the gun just FELT soooo right in my hands. I had to set it down so as not to make an impulse purchase! :) |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 5:45:29 PM EDT
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If you're willing to spend the coin, KAC all day.
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Posted: 11/15/2014 5:48:51 PM EDT
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KAC has been around and has been in the pocket of uncle sugar for a long time. I think very highly of th Knight family and would love to learn 1/100th of what they know about how to make a Stoner ar-15.
But. Daniel Defense seems to know what that are doing, and have been quietly building a great reputation for making quality ARs for many years. KAC has a history, some proprietary parts, and a loyal following that, just a few years ago, were willing to pay stupid prices for what KAC makes readily available to John Q Public today. Compare that to DD, who is one of several vanilla manufacturers selling products at reasonable prices. If you have a Gucci budget, get a CRANE (if you can find one (ADCO) ) or MSTN custom. If you don't want to do that, get both. If you can't/ don't want to do that, read up on Kac's proprietary parts and decide if that helps or hurts their position, and decide accordingly. To play devil's advocate: have you heard of Noveske's 3 groove 1 in 8 twist barrels?? |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 5:49:21 PM EDT
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Either would suit you very well! I picked up a Mod 2 upper for my Legacy lower.
It is phenomenal! 
That being said..........you can get the job dome with a $1200 Bravo Company carbine as well |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 5:49:41 PM EDT
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Thread fail. No Pole and No Pics.
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Posted: 11/15/2014 5:50:29 PM EDT
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from a happy DD owner...KAC
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Posted: 11/15/2014 6:01:53 PM EDT
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I have owned a DD M4V7 and a Knights SR-15 mod1. They both shot well but the KAC had a lot of benifit's for only and felt like a better value it also held its value muck better when I sold them. I am sure you have seen the comparison list's before, but here are some benefits of the kac
Kac micro flip sight's (very nice sights) make up for the price difference alone Nice KAC 2 stage trigger complete ambi lower, some people do not care but nice to have LMT sopmod stock Is much nicer then the moe or new DD stock in IMHO E3 Bolt, nice design never read on any issues shearing lugs custom gas system, Not really needed but Some say it shoots smoother. The Features outweigh the extra cost and KAC rifles are not as common as DD and seem to retain their value better. I like dd and still have 2 of their barrels but with the cost being that close I would go KAC |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 6:03:16 PM EDT
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It sounds like you really want the KAC and you're trying to make yourself want the DD. You can't go wrong with either brand, but I have a feeling you'll regret not getting the SR15.
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Posted: 11/15/2014 6:04:33 PM EDT
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Get the KAC and dont look back! Its a plug and play optics ready carbine. The DD MK12ish rifle is nice but that seems more.like.SPR platform gun. My SR15 is the smoothest shooting AR I own and have yet to find anything else that rivals it in quality, durability, balance and resale value. Good luck with your decision
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Posted: 11/15/2014 6:06:06 PM EDT
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Prepare for responses overwhelming in favor of the KAC. right. But the DD is a great rifle. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 6:08:37 PM EDT
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Get the KAC and dont look back! Its a plug and play optics ready carbine. The DD MK12ish rifle is nice but that seems more.like.SPR platform gun. My SR15 is the smoothest shooting AR I own and have yet to find anything else that rivals it in quality, durability, balance and resale value. Good luck with your decision I'm glad you brought up optics. OP, you can essentially put any optic you want on the KAC. IE. magnified, RDS etc, but the DD MK12 is really only going to shine with a magnified optic. So while the rifles may be relatively close in cost it's going to take more to outfit one properly vs. the other. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 6:12:23 PM EDT
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KAC, for a ton of reasons, but not least of which you'll get your money back, even during Salad Days.
DD makes a good product, but if you don't own a KAC, that should be your first high end buy, before anything else. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 6:17:10 PM EDT
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It sounds like you really want the KAC and you're trying to make yourself want the DD. You can't go wrong with either brand, but I have a feeling you'll regret not getting the SR15. I think you hit the nail on the head. Like I said the KAC evoked an "emotional" response and I wanted to just take it home that minute! But the DD sorta kept talking to me throughout the day. "On paper" the DD looks great, perhaps even better, because it's got the cold hammer-forged stainless steel barrel and Geissele trigger. Plus the new DD furniture is pretty cool, love the grip angle. But dang, that KAC just wanted to go home with me! Hahahaha |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 6:32:32 PM EDT
[#15]
Get both.
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Posted: 11/15/2014 6:41:26 PM EDT
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I have owned a DD M4V7 and a Knights SR-15 mod1. They both shot well but the KAC had a lot of benifit's for only and felt like a better value it also held its value muck better when I sold them. I am sure you have seen the comparison list's before, but here are some benefits of the kac Kac micro flip sight's (very nice sights) make up for the price difference alone Nice KAC 2 stage trigger complete ambi lower, some people do not care but nice to have LMT sopmod stock Is much nicer then the moe or new DD stock in IMHO E3 Bolt, nice design never read on any issues shearing lugs custom gas system, Not really needed but Some say it shoots smoother. The Features outweigh the extra cost and KAC rifles are not as common as DD and seem to retain their value better. I like dd and still have 2 of their barrels but with the cost being that close I would go KAC DDMK12 comes with a Geissele SSA. Everything else you said is spot on. And I am a DD lover. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 6:50:58 PM EDT
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Get both. This.........but get the Knights 1st! ( . )( . ) |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 6:55:06 PM EDT
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Not a true Mk12. Like, not even close. So don't let the "Mk12" designation lead you to believe you're getting something special. It's simply an 18" AR15 with a good trigger. No hate, just say'n.
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Posted: 11/15/2014 7:04:26 PM EDT
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I think you hit the nail on the head. Like I said the KAC evoked an "emotional" response and I wanted to just take it home that minute! But the DD sorta kept talking to me throughout the day. "On paper" the DD looks great, perhaps even better, because it's got the cold hammer-forged stainless steel barrel and Geissele trigger. Plus the new DD furniture is pretty cool, love the grip angle. But dang, that KAC just wanted to go home with me! Hahahaha Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It sounds like you really want the KAC and you're trying to make yourself want the DD. You can't go wrong with either brand, but I have a feeling you'll regret not getting the SR15. I think you hit the nail on the head. Like I said the KAC evoked an "emotional" response and I wanted to just take it home that minute! But the DD sorta kept talking to me throughout the day. "On paper" the DD looks great, perhaps even better, because it's got the cold hammer-forged stainless steel barrel and Geissele trigger. Plus the new DD furniture is pretty cool, love the grip angle. But dang, that KAC just wanted to go home with me! Hahahaha A pistol grip is easy and inexpensive to change. While the KAC has a CL barrel vs the SS in the Daniel Defense I think you will be happy with the accuracy you see from the KAC. I have one of the older "Legacy" SR-15 and I've shot some sub MOA groups and it seem s to shoot right around 1 MOA with Mk262 ammo which is about as good as I seem to be able to do with any AR. The barrel in my rifle is from Colt Canada and I believe the new Mod 2 barrels are made in house by KAC. I don't know that the slight theoretical accuracy advantage of the DD outweighs the real advantages of the KAC. The DD is a top end rifle and I don't think you would be disappointed with it but IMO the KAC offers much, much, more. A lot of R&D goes into KAC's guns and I've see them claim to shoot more test rounds than anyone, this lead to a lot of innovation, just look at the Mod 2 gas system. 
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Posted: 11/15/2014 9:05:52 PM EDT
[#20]
KAC.
The thought of the DD SPR being called a MK12 rustles my jimmies. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 9:26:21 PM EDT
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DD simply because it's not prop
I'd ditch both and get lwrc though 
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Posted: 11/15/2014 9:38:43 PM EDT
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KAC
<3 my SR15. All other ARs I own or have shot have came up lacking in the shadow of my KAC. Yes its that damn good, IMO. ETA: Not to say DD isnt squared away. They are. Great outfit Marty runs over there and much like KAC, I do favor them over others due to the number of parts being made in-house. Barrels being at the top of that list. If KAC was out of the equation Id take DD over all other 'mil-spec' manufacturers for that reason. Even over the almighty BCM. JMO. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 11:27:59 PM EDT
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I think the KAC LPR is a closer comparison than the Mod 2 to the DD. Have you seen those?
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Posted: 11/15/2014 11:51:30 PM EDT
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If you're willing to spend the coin, KAC all day. All day, KAC. |
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Posted: 11/16/2014 12:04:33 AM EDT
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I think the KAC LPR is a closer comparison than the Mod 2 to the DD. This. These two rifles serve different purposes. KAC and DD are two of the top black rifle companies around. In this case, if you're looking for a more precision/bench/distance rifle, the DD would be my choice. If you're looking for a more multi purpose battle rifle, I'd opt for the Mod 2. My personal choice would be to get both though. 
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Posted: 11/16/2014 1:21:36 AM EDT
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I hope a good deal on a 11.5 KAC upper doesn't pop up...
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Posted: 11/16/2014 1:23:37 AM EDT
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I think the KAC LPR is a closer comparison than the Mod 2 to the DD. Have you seen those? I agree. My LGS doesn't have the LPR though. Honestly I'm thinking part of the reason I liked the KAC so much is that it really fits what I'm looking for. Like I said it was only after I thought about it (and researched more online) that the added "accuracy features" of the DD started to look attractive. |
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Posted: 11/16/2014 1:28:21 AM EDT
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I hope a good deal on a 11.5 KAC upper doesn't pop up... My LGS has the complete rifle (SBR). Can't recall the price but I fondled it as well. Too short for my needs but boy is it nice! |
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Posted: 11/16/2014 1:29:48 AM EDT
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My LGS has the complete rifle (SBR). Can't recall the price but I fondled it as well. Too short for my needs but boy is it nice! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hope a good deal on a 11.5 KAC upper doesn't pop up... My LGS has the complete rifle (SBR). Can't recall the price but I fondled it as well. Too short for my needs but boy is it nice! I am just glad to see you guys are able to finally possess them! (WA native here) |
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Posted: 11/16/2014 1:36:54 AM EDT
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I am just glad to see you guys are able to finally possess them! (WA native here) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hope a good deal on a 11.5 KAC upper doesn't pop up... My LGS has the complete rifle (SBR). Can't recall the price but I fondled it as well. Too short for my needs but boy is it nice! I am just glad to see you guys are able to finally possess them! (WA native here) Ha! We'll see for how much longer. The Libs over in Seattle are starting to chip away at our gun rights here in WA. Huge victory for them recently with that ridiculous I-594 BS they voted for! Also meant to add it was a "CQB SBR" so yeah, 11.5 inches. Sweet little "handgun". :) |
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Posted: 11/16/2014 9:32:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not a true Mk12. Like, not even close. So don't let the "Mk12" designation lead you to believe you're getting something special. It's simply an 18" AR15 with a good trigger. No hate, just say'n. Nope. It's not a Mk12 at all. They're just took the name and slapped it on a gun to get more sales and appeal.
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Posted: 11/16/2014 5:27:48 PM EDT
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Nope. It's not a Mk12 at all. They're just took the name and slapped it on a gun to get more sales and appeal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a true Mk12. Like, not even close. So don't let the "Mk12" designation lead you to believe you're getting something special. It's simply an 18" AR15 with a good trigger. No hate, just say'n. Nope. It's not a Mk12 at all. They're just took the name and slapped it on a gun to get more sales and appeal. Hmmm. Good to know. I'm not sure what makes a MK12 a "true" version vs others. That being said DD does have a great reputation. It sounds from the replies so far though that KAC is a much more respected name in AR's. Pretty sure I'll be picking that bad boy to ASAP! |
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Posted: 11/16/2014 6:33:45 PM EDT
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Hmmm. Good to know. I'm not sure what makes a MK12 a "true" version vs others. That being said DD does have a great reputation. It sounds from the replies so far though that KAC is a much more respected name in AR's. Pretty sure I'll be picking that bad boy to ASAP! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a true Mk12. Like, not even close. So don't let the "Mk12" designation lead you to believe you're getting something special. It's simply an 18" AR15 with a good trigger. No hate, just say'n. Nope. It's not a Mk12 at all. They're just took the name and slapped it on a gun to get more sales and appeal. Hmmm. Good to know. I'm not sure what makes a MK12 a "true" version vs others. That being said DD does have a great reputation. It sounds from the replies so far though that KAC is a much more respected name in AR's. Pretty sure I'll be picking that bad boy to ASAP! Look at the mk12 thread for the specs. DD MK12 is their version, using DD equivalent parts. It's really apples and oranges. The DD mk12 is more of a precision rig, the SR15 more of an all around "battle" rifle. A better comparison would be against one of the CMV barrel DDs. |
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Posted: 11/16/2014 6:40:02 PM EDT
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Hmmm. Good to know. I'm not sure what makes a MK12 a "true" version vs others. That being said DD does have a great reputation. It sounds from the replies so far though that KAC is a much more respected name in AR's. Pretty sure I'll be picking that bad boy to ASAP! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a true Mk12. Like, not even close. So don't let the "Mk12" designation lead you to believe you're getting something special. It's simply an 18" AR15 with a good trigger. No hate, just say'n. Nope. It's not a Mk12 at all. They're just took the name and slapped it on a gun to get more sales and appeal. Hmmm. Good to know. I'm not sure what makes a MK12 a "true" version vs others. That being said DD does have a great reputation. It sounds from the replies so far though that KAC is a much more respected name in AR's. Pretty sure I'll be picking that bad boy to ASAP! There is a 650+ page thread if you want to acquaint yourself with the Mk12. I wouldn't say KAC is much more respected but like I said in an earlier post, they are leader and innovators in the AR world. I can't see any scenario where you'll be disappointed in the KAC. What optic do you plan on using (sorry if i missed it somewhere)? |
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Posted: 11/16/2014 6:58:03 PM EDT
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Not a true Mk12. Like, not even close. So don't let the "Mk12" designation lead you to believe you're getting something special. It's simply an 18" AR15 with a good trigger. No hate, just say'n. This. I wouldn't buy the DD "Mk 12" for the sole purpose of making a failtrain attempt to cash in on the Mk 12 hysteria and deliver a product that doesn't resemble it at all. I like DD and KAC, but that was a Busch League move from DD that was all about duping the uninformed. |
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Posted: 11/16/2014 7:11:26 PM EDT
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There is a 650+ page thread if you want to acquaint yourself with the Mk12. I wouldn't say KAC is much more respected but like I said in an earlier post, they are leader and innovators in the AR world. I can't see any scenario where you'll be disappointed in the KAC. What optic do you plan on using (sorry if i missed it somewhere)? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a true Mk12. Like, not even close. So don't let the "Mk12" designation lead you to believe you're getting something special. It's simply an 18" AR15 with a good trigger. No hate, just say'n. Nope. It's not a Mk12 at all. They're just took the name and slapped it on a gun to get more sales and appeal. Hmmm. Good to know. I'm not sure what makes a MK12 a "true" version vs others. That being said DD does have a great reputation. It sounds from the replies so far though that KAC is a much more respected name in AR's. Pretty sure I'll be picking that bad boy to ASAP! There is a 650+ page thread if you want to acquaint yourself with the Mk12. I wouldn't say KAC is much more respected but like I said in an earlier post, they are leader and innovators in the AR world. I can't see any scenario where you'll be disappointed in the KAC. What optic do you plan on using (sorry if i missed it somewhere)? I've got an eotech 517 that's currently on my M&P. I'm planning on throwing that on the KAC with a 3x eotech magnifier. I'm open to suggestions though! |
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Posted: 11/16/2014 10:10:50 PM EDT
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KAC, great rifle.
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Posted: 11/16/2014 10:11:47 PM EDT
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No question, the KAC all the way! Here's a little montage to help inspire your decision!
SR-30 9.5" 
SR-15 CQB SBR 
SR-15 MOD 1 
SR-15 LPR 
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Posted: 11/16/2014 10:30:18 PM EDT
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Definitely a vote for KAC.
I bought my first KAC rifle in May(SR15 Mod1), and I was so impressed I bought a second Mod1 a week after I received my first one. I'm actually thinking about getting another Mod1 .... they are that good, go buy one
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Posted: 11/16/2014 10:52:22 PM EDT
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My vote goes to KAC. It's not a Mod 2, but the mod 1 is still a bad ass rifle.
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Posted: 11/17/2014 12:15:33 AM EDT
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Was it a KAC 11.5 SBR rifle at our local LGS?
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I hope a good deal on a 11.5 KAC upper doesn't pop up... My LGS has the complete rifle (SBR). Can't recall the price but I fondled it as well. Too short for my needs but boy is it nice! |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 10:57:27 AM EDT
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I IM'd you...
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Posted: 11/17/2014 11:19:15 AM EDT
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from a happy DD owner...KAC I came here to post this. lol. I love my DD rifles, but I'd love to have a KAC someday. And I'd definitely buy a KAC over a DD "mk12" anyday. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 12:00:32 PM EDT
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They are truly remarkable.......
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Posted: 11/17/2014 12:22:54 PM EDT
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If you are looking for a TRUE MK12ish rifle, then neither of these actually come very close.
If you're looking for a very good general purpose rifle, then the KAC is better suited for that. If you looking for more of a precision setup, then the Daniel Defense might be the better way to go. Both are very good rifles aimed at slightly different target audiences. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 1:25:32 PM EDT
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Two great rifles you're looking at.
I prefer KAC due to what the rifle comes, and I prefer their proprietary parts. Some people prefer mil-spec pattern parts, and like to add stuff over time. If so, KAC isn't the right rifle for you! You're picking from two of the best AR15 builders out there today, so either way you will get a great rifle. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 1:30:14 PM EDT
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I was also debating KAC or DD M4A1 and I chose KAC. Very happy and glad I got the Knight's
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Posted: 11/17/2014 1:30:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/17/2014 2:29:58 PM EDT
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You guys are killin me with all the KAC pics!
I've made up my mind for sure. As soon as I possibly can I'm walking in there with a wad of cash in my hand....and walking out with a KAC SR-15 mod2! |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 4:16:20 PM EDT
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I love my MOD 1, fantastic rifle.
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