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GA, USA
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Posted: 8/5/2021 4:48:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: StuartBoyer]
Been trying to find more details and pics out there for a Marine Recon M4 build (the one with the ergo extensions), just doesn't seem to be a lot out there on them. Anyone have any pics or videos we haven't seen of them? Most setups I have seen for them appear in these videos
 Force Recon "M4 Carbine & M45 Pistol" Combat Marksmanship Training  31st MEU Force Reconnaissance Marines execute VBSS exercise aboard USS Ashland  Recon Marines Conduct House Clearing Drills All of them seem to run Knights M4 RAS Rails with Ergo M4 Forward Rails at the FSP, KAC Rear sights, NT4 flash hiders, and PEQ-15. What varies and appears to be the most common components in the video and few pics out there are: Stocks: Standard Waffle Magpul Moe SL Magpul Moe SL-K Magpul STR Magpul CTR Mission First Tactical BATTLELINK Minimalist Stock Grips: Standard A2 BCMgunfighter Mod 3 Magpul K2 (seen only once) Vertical Grips: BCMgunfighter vertical grip BCMgunfighter vertical grip mod 3 BCMgunfighter KAG Troy Modular Combat Grip Magpul AFG Optics: (I forgot the military designation on the Eotech models) EOTech EXPS3 EOTech 512/552 EOTech G33 Magnifier Aimpoint CompM4 (haven't seen a M4S) Aimpoint T-2 Elcan Spectre SU269 Vortex Razor in a Geissele mount. Lights: Streamlight TLR non long gun Streamlight TLR Long Gun Model Streamlight Protac Rail (appears to be the HL-X but hard to tell) Surefire DF with DS00 rear and remote (only seen once so may be an individual purchase) Charging Handle: PRI Big Latch Standard model Sling Mounts: Magpul RSA QD Slings: Blue Force Gear Vickers Standard Issue Blue Force Gear Vickers Padded EDIT: will update as I find new gear. Noticed they vary greatly in over all gear used but per unit seem to follow themes among the members . IE when ever I have seen a Streamlight Protac its always been with a Troy Modular grip and Magpul MOE stock rifle setup. Also noticed the optics choices per unit seems to be 50/50 on a EOTech 552 or Aimpoint CompM4 where another units is 50/50 EOTech EXPS3 and Aimpoint CompM4. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 8/5/2021 5:26:38 PM EST
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Wow..seems like you have compiled a complete list for a build. What question were you looking for answered?
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GA, USA
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Posted: 8/5/2021 5:36:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: StuartBoyer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chatsworth: Wow..seems like you have compiled a complete list for a build. What question were you looking for answered? |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/5/2021 5:57:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By StuartBoyer: Been trying to find more details and pics out there for a Marine Recon M4 build (the one with the ergo extensions), just doesn't seem to be a lot out there on them. Anyone have any pics or videos we haven't seen of them? Most setups I have seen for them appear in these videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccPguV6CY6M&t=76s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQUOcFAkhIU All of them seem to run Knights M4 RAS Rails with Ergo M4 Forward Rails at the FSP, KAC Rear sights, NT4 flash hiders, and PEQ-15. What varies and appears to be the most common components in the video and few pics out there are: Stocks: Standard Waffle Magpul Moe SL Magpul Moe SL-K Magpul STR Magpul CTR Grips: Standard A2 BCMgunfighter Mod 3 Magpul K2 (seen only once) Vertical Grips: BCMgunfighter vertical grip BCMgunfighter vertical grip mod 3 BCMgunfighter KAG Troy Modular Combat Grip Optics: (I forgot the military designation on the Eotech models) EOtech EXPS3 EOtech 512/552 EOtech G34 Magnifier Aimpoint Comp M4 (haven't seen a M4S) Lights: Streamlight TLR non long gun Streamlight TLR Long Gun Model Streamlight Protac Rail (appears to be the HL-X but hard to tell) Surefire DF with DS00 rear and remote (seen only once) Charging Handle: PRI Big Latch Standard model Don’t they use the SU269 also? 
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Posted: 8/5/2021 7:01:28 PM EST
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Bet the kids at SOI using these 416s are sad to join the fleet and get Block2 junk or old school A4 rifles like are still at all the entrances to Lejeune.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 8/5/2021 7:23:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FullAssault: Don't they use the SU269 also? |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 8/5/2021 7:27:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: StuartBoyer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scottrh2: Bet the kids at SOI using these 416s are sad to join the fleet and get Block2 junk or old school A4 rifles like are still at all the entrances to Lejeune.  |
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Posted: 8/6/2021 12:32:45 AM EST
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Majority of Marine Corps using PEQ-16B.
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Posted: 8/6/2021 7:56:11 AM EST
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You'll see these discussed in the Block 1 thread.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 8/6/2021 10:17:39 AM EST
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a lot have to buy their own parts to run. we used electrical tape to hold our lights on. smh.
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Posted: 8/6/2021 12:21:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WTFShane: Majority of Marine Corps using PEQ-16B. 15s, the 16s went to infantry formations |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 8/6/2021 6:31:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lancelot: You'll see these discussed in the Block 1 thread. |
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Posted: 8/6/2021 9:53:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StuartBoyer: Been reading through the 200+ pages and see very little there mostly around page 185 which is what got me started on them but there isn't a lot of info. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StuartBoyer: Originally Posted By Lancelot: You'll see these discussed in the Block 1 thread. Marine Recon was never part of the Block program. Yeah, they’re all M4A1s, but that doesn’t mean they’ll all have the same equipment attached. Personally, and as a jarhead, I like that there’s a Marine Recon thread now. We have AFSOC and NSW threads, so why not a Recon/Force Recon thread too! 
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Posted: 8/7/2021 10:33:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: dedreckon]
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Ive seen videos of probably 1st recon in Alaska using the sig 1x6 lpvo on M4s. I'll see if I can find them
This says Force at Ft Greeley in 2020. 
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Posted: 8/7/2021 10:50:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dedreckon: Ive seen videos of probably 1st recon in Alaska using the sig 1x6 lpvo on M4s. I'll see if I can find them This says Force at Ft Greeley in 2020. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bf/ae/f0/bfaef0ee003f814573aa4e1fa0d74d88.jpg That looks like a Razor 1-6 |
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Posted: 8/7/2021 10:58:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: 15s, the 16s went to infantry formations At around 2007 or 2008, they replaced all of our 15s with 16s. I can only speak on behalf of the units I was in. We were not authorized to change stocks or grips, but other units, like MARSOC and FR, could, at times. MARSOC and FR had a small choice optics that were available to them, but it was all dependent on timeframe and what was in the armory. When we patrolled with FR in country, they all just had standard M4 with RCO that we were issued. |
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Posted: 8/7/2021 8:56:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wyominer: That looks like a Razor 1-6 |
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Posted: 8/7/2021 10:51:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: I agree, looks like a Razor in a Geissele mount. You folks know better than me. I did see a video of Bn Recon in Alaska during summer using what was clearly not a Razor. I assumed they got them through Socom and were the SIGs. Again, I'll try to find the vid or stills. |
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Posted: 8/7/2021 10:56:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: WUPHF]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dedreckon: Ive seen videos of probably 1st recon in Alaska using the sig 1x6 lpvo on M4s. I'll see if I can find them This says Force at Ft Greeley in 2020. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bf/ae/f0/bfaef0ee003f814573aa4e1fa0d74d88.jpg That’s a Razor 1-6x, not a Sig. ETA: Already covered. |
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Posted: 8/7/2021 11:00:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RJeff21: That’s a Razor 1-6x, not a Sig. ETA: Already covered. yep, another close pic. 
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Posted: 8/7/2021 11:06:49 PM EST
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Here's the vid where I thought they were using sigs. I guess the optic color confused me, but they are razors.
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Posted: 8/7/2021 11:37:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dedreckon: You folks know better than me. I did see a video of Bn Recon in Alaska during summer using what was clearly not a Razor. I assumed they got them through Socom and were the SIGs. Again, I'll try to find the vid or stills. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dedreckon: Originally Posted By jaqufrost: I agree, looks like a Razor in a Geissele mount. You folks know better than me. I did see a video of Bn Recon in Alaska during summer using what was clearly not a Razor. I assumed they got them through Socom and were the SIGs. Again, I'll try to find the vid or stills. Recon was never part of SOCOM. |
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Posted: 8/8/2021 1:07:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Claytonhoneyberry: Recon was never part of SOCOM. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Claytonhoneyberry: Originally Posted By dedreckon: Originally Posted By jaqufrost: I agree, looks like a Razor in a Geissele mount. You folks know better than me. I did see a video of Bn Recon in Alaska during summer using what was clearly not a Razor. I assumed they got them through Socom and were the SIGs. Again, I'll try to find the vid or stills. Recon was never part of SOCOM. Yep…Raiders are SOCOM, not Recon. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 8/11/2021 5:13:43 PM EST
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@RON Was the 16b actually replacing the white lights on the rifles?
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UT, USA
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Posted: 8/16/2021 8:26:18 AM EST
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Are those razors black? I wasn't aware that they even came in black.
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Posted: 8/16/2021 8:31:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By desertdog762: Are those razors black? I wasn't aware that they even came in black. Probably just the image making it look dark, but the Viper PST Gen II 1-6x24 is in black and looks almost like the Razor. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 8/24/2021 9:24:40 AM EST
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A buddy of mine who's on AD told me that they are supposed to be getting the H&Ks in the Recon Battalions at some point.
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Posted: 8/24/2021 5:10:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By desertdog762: A buddy of mine who's on AD told me that they are supposed to be getting the H&Ks in the Recon Battalions at some point. All infantry MOSs will be getting them with time, which recon is a part of. |
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Posted: 8/28/2021 12:26:36 PM EST
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what scope is that ?
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Posted: 8/28/2021 2:22:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOG1: what scope is that ? As already mentioned above, a Vortex Razor. |
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USA
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Posted: 8/28/2021 5:36:16 PM EST
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UT, USA
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Posted: 8/30/2021 7:01:18 AM EST
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Is that pic a Force guy? Looks like an m45 he's got?
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/30/2021 7:34:42 AM EST
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https://instagram.com/marine_force_recon?utm_medium=copy_link has some of the best reference pics I’ve been able to find.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/30/2021 7:37:19 AM EST
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I’ve seen some of the guys from the 82nd running very similar setups in Kabul the last few weeks (M4A1s with ergo rail extension). Anyone know where we can find more info on that?
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Posted: 8/30/2021 8:03:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By desertdog762: Is that pic a Force guy? Looks like an m45 he's got? Most likely he is, but he could also be regular Recon. |
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Posted: 8/30/2021 8:13:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By desertdog762: Is that pic a Force guy? Looks like an m45 he's got? Force and Battalion get issued the exact same equipment/weapons these days. The 1911 has since been replaced by the Sig M18 btw |
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Posted: 8/30/2021 12:45:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By desertdog762: Is that pic a Force guy? Looks like an m45 he's got? Not sure but man if that picture doesn't me me want to sell stuff and start building! 
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Posted: 8/30/2021 1:02:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: Sinister]
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Yeah, looks like a bolt-on (spray-painted RAS and plain Ergo extensions). |
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Posted: 8/30/2021 5:31:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dedreckon: Ive seen videos of probably 1st recon in Alaska using the sig 1x6 lpvo on M4s. I'll see if I can find them This says Force at Ft Greeley in 2020. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bf/ae/f0/bfaef0ee003f814573aa4e1fa0d74d88.jpg Ft Greely.......yuck! |
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Posted: 8/31/2021 2:18:10 PM EST
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Posted: 9/17/2021 9:51:50 PM EST
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Posted: 9/17/2021 9:58:21 PM EST
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Posted: 9/18/2021 12:35:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: DontBuryMe]
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I have seen several pics with T1s (and one or two T2s) on GDI MT5-OSM mounts.
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Posted: 9/18/2021 6:09:37 AM EST
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Served 21 years in our glorious Corps! With the exception of 3+ years on MSG Duty (Embassy Duty) in late 80s, I was an 03 to the bone! Nothing but Victor Units way before there even was a MARSOC who's mission greatly differs from Recon Units. Learned that as a Bn Ops Chief tasking Recon Units after drafting COAs for the BC.
If you were in the Suck you were born again hard at P.I with the belief you could nail anything after hitting center mass out to 500 yds with only iron sights! Also, I'm damn sure any Marine was thrashed if he/she ever tried this Army move while shooting the AR - Placing your support hand around the magwell as if it were a vertical foregrip! One of my biggest pet peeves which I personally witnessed "soldiers" having mis-feeds due to unseating the magazine by this stupid move! However, the Army did get the Sig contract as their new Optic, which one slid off the line while fielding and fell onto my Geissele. Hated the ACOG and actually used an Eotech in OIF which saved my ass 10x over!As stated above, "most" Marines do not have the option to run whatever they want for optics or modify their rifles with tricked out gear - was lucky enough to be on the T&E crew for L3 at the time! Sure wish I had a MAWL instead of the shitty PEQ when I was there! Lastly, as a wicked Eotech fan I couldn't help but pick up something in your spec sheet at the top OP. I'm pretty sure it's a G33, not a G34 but I knew what ya meant. Gung Ho - Gung Ho.... 
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KS, USA
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Posted: 9/18/2021 7:40:40 AM EST
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Quad rails are the devils cheese grater. Get a smooth rail and attach what you want.
I know….I added nothing of value here. |
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Posted: 9/18/2021 2:17:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waynelte: Quad rails are the devils cheese grater. Get a smooth rail and attach what you want. I know….I added nothing of value here. But you speak the truth! Once you go MLOK you don't look back! |
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USA
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Posted: 9/18/2021 3:47:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: cmcflex]
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I set up a factory Colt 14.5 upper in this configuration a while back. Probably the easiest "clone" buld ever. Haven't done anyting with it yet; was thinking a black EXPS3-0 but the Vortex Razor on a LT-101 riser looks like a sick setup.
 
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Posted: 9/18/2021 5:18:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmcflex: I set up a factory Colt 14.5 upper in this configuration a while back. Probably the easiest "clone" buld ever. Haven't done anyting with it yet; was thinking a black EXPS3-0 but the Vortex Razor on a LT-101 riser looks like a sick setup. nice, been tempted to give the ergo rail on a 6920 a try to make things less bunched up on the RAS but the weight has kept me from taking the leap. with the rail light switch and vfg already sitting about 9lbs 10 oz loaded and assume it probably wont balance as well with the extra barrel length. |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 9:23:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmcflex: I set up a factory Colt 14.5 upper in this configuration a while back. Probably the easiest "clone" buld ever. Haven't done anyting with it yet; was thinking a black EXPS3-0 but the Vortex Razor on a LT-101 riser looks like a sick setup. https://live.staticflickr.com/7814/40263520293_c994843de2_k.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/7803/47228571671_4239e60743_k.jpg |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 9:28:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lancelot: @cmcflex excuse my ignorance. What is the forward bold on rail? https://www.ergogrips.net/shop/ergo-m4-4-rail/ |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 9:49:11 AM EST
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Thanks. I have the old YHM tri-rail thingy. That looks much nicer.
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