Daniel Defense MK18 RIS II FSP GROUP BUY

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Posted: 3/23/2016 9:23:19 PM EDT

If another special run were made of these, how many would be in for a group buy?

Posted: 3/23/2016 9:29:21 PM EDT

[#1]

Upper or just the rail?

Posted: 3/23/2016 10:27:45 PM EDT

[#2]

I think I would be in for one.

Posted: 3/23/2016 10:38:03 PM EDT

[#3]

In!

Posted: 3/23/2016 10:39:08 PM EDT

[#4]

How much are the black ones going for? I thought about doing something different on my DDmk18

Posted: 3/23/2016 11:14:17 PM EDT

[#5]

In for sure if it was for the rail.

Probably on the upper, more so if it had the .070" MilSpec gas port under the FSP.

Posted: 3/23/2016 11:23:48 PM EDT

[#6]

For the rail?

Fuck yes, I'd buy two.

Posted: 3/23/2016 11:25:30 PM EDT

[#7]

Would buy one rail

Posted: 3/23/2016 11:32:07 PM EDT

[#8]

Is this even a possibility? Dan_D, not trying to rain on your parade but do you have something in play or is this just a 15'er version of Rainbows and Skittles?

Posted: 3/23/2016 11:44:26 PM EDT

[#9]

There won't ever be a group buy of these, esp since Daniel Defense needed to buy one from the open market because they didn't even have one for themselves.

Posted: 3/23/2016 11:48:40 PM EDT

[#10]

Send me an IM if a group buy happens

Posted: 3/23/2016 11:51:05 PM EDT

[#11]

Interested I am.

Posted: 3/23/2016 11:55:18 PM EDT

[#12]

Don't need, might want...

Posted: 3/24/2016 12:02:37 AM EDT

[#13]

Add me to the list.

Posted: 3/24/2016 12:09:24 AM EDT

[#14]

In for a definite one possibly two.

Want to create a REAL shitstorm get them to make both the 12.25" versions.

Posted: 3/24/2016 12:52:14 AM EDT

[#15]

Is this for the rail or the whole upper? Either way put me down for 1!

Posted: 3/24/2016 2:07:41 AM EDT

[#16]

I'm in for one!

Posted: 3/24/2016 8:18:48 AM EDT

[#17]

In on at least one

Posted: 3/24/2016 8:57:15 AM EDT

[#18]

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Is this even a possibility? Dan_D, not trying to rain on your parade but do you have something in play or is this just a 15'er version of Rainbows and Skittles?

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My thoughts, exactly. Following the MK18 thread, these went the way of hen's teeth, and unicorns. Can't imagine how this would be possible.

All my skepticism aside; I would likely be in for one, just because

Posted: 3/24/2016 8:04:52 PM EDT

[#19]

Put me on the list for one.

Posted: 3/24/2016 8:07:01 PM EDT

[#20]

Yeah I'd have to say I'm in.............

Posted: 3/24/2016 8:28:47 PM EDT

[#21]

IN here.

Posted: 3/24/2016 8:46:15 PM EDT

[#22]

My inquiry is only regarding the rail.

Posted: 3/24/2016 9:00:39 PM EDT

[#23]

I want one but it is a pipe dream OP.

Posted: 3/24/2016 9:10:42 PM EDT

[#24]

pretty sure we've done this before. never gonna happen. but ill take two.

Posted: 3/24/2016 9:26:06 PM EDT

[#25]

Possibly

Posted: 3/25/2016 12:07:01 AM EDT

[#26]

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There won't ever be a group buy of these, esp since Daniel Defense needed to buy one from the open market because they didn't even have one for themselves.

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I'd buy one out of loyalty if this happened.

However, I will have to agree with TurbineGuy.

When these were first "revealed" to the civilian market, a whole bunch of people begged for them to be released to the civilian market, promising to buy one. Regrettably, I must admit that I was one of those people. But circumstances changed, my income flow changed, and frankly, I just never "got around to it."

Daniel Defense released them, and they took forever to sell. They sat on shelves for quite a while, and wouldn't move.

Frankly and honestly, it's only their rarity that makes them sought after now, and if DD made more, then they wouldn't be as rare any more.

There's not a whole lot of documentation of their use with any military unit, so the market for "clones" isn't really that strong.

These are the things I'd be thinking about if I was DD...

DD has already said that they won't make more MK18 FSPs or GL/SSCs without a military/government order, even for a "group buy."

Again, I'd buy one of each at this point, if only to make the point that no good deed goes unrewarded... but I don't see it happening. Again, though, not to be the naysayer... I'd find a way to buy one if it happened.

~Augee

Posted: 3/25/2016 12:51:05 AM EDT

[#27]

What they could do, however, is require a partial/in full upfront payment pre production to guarantee they will turn a profit. I can't imagine too many would be opposed to that. Almost makes the product seem more exclusive, increasing perceived value.

Posted: 3/25/2016 1:15:27 AM EDT

[#28]

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What they could do, however, is require a partial/in full upfront payment pre production to guarantee they will turn a profit. I can't imagine too many would be opposed to that. Almost makes the product seem more exclusive, increasing perceived value.

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While nice in theory, this is how many "group buys" run into problems.

Someone has to be "in trust" of other people's money, projected lead times, production and delivery delays, etc. all play into it. Look up the Shrike if you want to see how that works out. Extreme example, a rail shouldn't be that hard to make... sure, but it can still be a big hassle, and few companies who are already earning money from regular business and don't need customer "investments" in order to continue R&D are willing to play that game.

Looking at it from the other end of the telescope, imagine, not that I'm implying anything about you personally--but say you put down $400 for a rail delivery within the next twelve months. Nine months from now, you're late on your car payment, and decide you don't need that rail so bad, and you try to back out of your "group buy," since the product hasn't been manufactured yet, you say "fuck-it, give me my money back."

Now say out of 300 people who "pre-ordered," 10% decide they don't want it any more. That number goes up if you're not able to deliver exactly on schedule for whatever reason, ranging from contracts that take precedence, to simple, natural production delays. What do you do? Refund them all? 10% might be your entire profit margin on the production run. Or decline refunds and making people wait, thus hurting your public reputation?

Pre-pay group buys are just as much a minefield as "promised buyers," potentially even worse.

~Augee

Posted: 3/25/2016 2:22:35 AM EDT

[#29]

Augee nailed it, this isn't going anywhere. You would be lucky to get 25% of the people who say they would absolutely buy one, to throw cash down. Honest figures are more like 10% of the people that show interest.

They didn't sell well before, they wouldn't sell much better now. It took forever for DD to sell the RIS II trial rails which they had some extras of, and are much more collectable then a RIS II variant that didn't go anywhere.

I think they are cool, and I would like to have one, but it just isn't in the cards. Heck, I would like to have a second GL/SSC and seconds on the preproduction model RIS II units that were changed, but that won't happen either.

Posted: 3/25/2016 1:08:33 PM EDT

[#30]

You both make valid points.

Posted: 3/25/2016 1:34:51 PM EDT

[#31]

Yes, augee got it.

Posted: 3/25/2016 3:46:13 PM EDT

[#32]

I told you...

Posted: 3/25/2016 3:58:27 PM EDT

[#33]

Its all about those gov contracts. Even when companies declare civilians come first, once the gov greenbacks start rolling everyone sells out.

If they haven't sold out, they haven't received a big enough contract.

Posted: 3/25/2016 8:53:23 PM EDT

[#34]

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Its all about those gov contracts. Even when companies declare civilians come first, once the gov greenbacks start rolling everyone sells out.

If they haven't sold out, they haven't received a big enough contract.

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I think they call that common sense, and staying in business.

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