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Posted: 10/15/2016 11:54:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/16/2016 12:23:41 AM EDT
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Post-Vietnam straight across the top pockets.
Slant pockets were usable so you could get into them while wearing your H-harness. When women wore them it drew attention to their boobies. Straight-cut pockets fixed that. I hate straight-cut pockets in a working combat blouse. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 12:27:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Post-Vietnam straight across the top pockets. Slant pockets were usable so you could get into them while wearing your H-harness. When women wore them it drew attention to their boobies. Straight-cut pockets fixed that. I hate straight-cut pockets in a working combat blouse. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 12:31:47 AM EDT
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Thank You, with the exception of not being slant pockets are the colors correct? Did different services have different shades or all the same pattern and color? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Post-Vietnam straight across the top pockets. Slant pockets were usable so you could get into them while wearing your H-harness. When women wore them it drew attention to their boobies. Straight-cut pockets fixed that. I hate straight-cut pockets in a working combat blouse. The patterns and shades didn't change until later. The branches of today's military use different patterns and maybe different shades. I'm not sure when they switched over to what they are currently wearing. Midway through the Iraq war maybe? The only difference from what was worn in Vietnam to the early 70's was the slant pockets like mentioned above. It might have been late 70's when they switched to straight pockets. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 12:41:55 AM EDT
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There were two separate ERDL color patterns -- green dominant and brown dominant.
Your picture is of the brown dominant pattern This is green dominant: 
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Posted: 10/16/2016 12:45:08 AM EDT
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http://www.mooremilitaria.com/apparel/erdl-jungle-fatigues.html
http://www.mooremilitaria.com/apparel/hats-caps-covers/erdl-utility-cover.html If you want a set for use, I would highly recommend the reproduction sets from Moore Militaria. Originals are getting old and were made of lightweight fabric to begin with. They had boonies at one time, I'm not seeing any on the website right now. There may also be some retro parts listed under the weapons related category. ERDL camouflage was available in "brown dominant pattern" and "green dominant pattern" . The early pattern was printed in a way that the colors bled into each other making a blurred edge, the later 1970's pattern had crisp edges from color to color. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 1:01:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: http://www.mooremilitaria.com/apparel/erdl-jungle-fatigues.html http://www.mooremilitaria.com/apparel/hats-caps-covers/erdl-utility-cover.html If you want a set for use, I would highly recommend the reproduction sets from Moore Militaria. Originals are getting old and were made of lightweight fabric to begin with. They had boonies at one time, I'm not seeing any on the website right now. There may also be some retro parts listed under the weapons related category. ERDL camouflage was available in "brown dominant pattern" and "green dominant pattern" . The early pattern was printed in a way that the colors bled into each other making a blurred edge, the later 1970's pattern had crisp edges from color to color. I got it for $35 as I saw it as more practical for hunting use than being historically correct. I wear multicam a lot when I hunt, but I just don't like the association it implies with modern military service as I have never served in the military. The ERDL is just as good of hunting camo as multicam, likely better in my parts, and there is no confusion about me serving in that era as I am way too young lol. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 1:02:07 AM EDT
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Did both brown and green dominate enter service at the same time? Is one earlier than the other?
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Posted: 10/16/2016 1:06:23 AM EDT
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Another quick question.
Are there any differences in the pants? |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 1:50:04 AM EDT
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Did both brown and green dominate enter service at the same time? Is one earlier than the other? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Did both brown and green dominate enter service at the same time? Is one earlier than the other? Yes Quoted:
Another quick question. Are there any differences in the pants? The pleats on the side pockets are different, 'Nam era trousers had a zipper fly, later 1970's Rapid Deployment Force RDF uniform had a button fly 
ETA: RDF refers to the cut of the uniform, not the camo pattern. It was issued to the 82nd Airborne and USMC. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 3:59:32 AM EDT
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Nope.
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Posted: 10/16/2016 4:10:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
http://www.mooremilitaria.com/apparel/erdl-jungle-fatigues.html http://www.mooremilitaria.com/apparel/hats-caps-covers/erdl-utility-cover.html If you want a set for use, I would highly recommend the reproduction sets from Moore Militaria. Originals are getting old and were made of lightweight fabric to begin with. They had boonies at one time, I'm not seeing any on the website right now. There may also be some retro parts listed under the weapons related category. ERDL camouflage was available in "brown dominant pattern" and "green dominant pattern" . The early pattern was printed in a way that the colors bled into each other making a blurred edge, the later 1970's pattern had crisp edges from color to color. I think the life of the uniforms were very short. I have heard stories of Soldiers uniforms rotting off of them after spending a month in the jungle and being transported back to base camp in the back in Hueys. Stunk real bad too. I also know that name tapes were in short supply. Soldiers would sharpie their names/US Army and even skill badges. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 8:12:20 AM EDT
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There were two separate ERDL color patterns -- green dominant and brown dominant. Your picture is of the brown dominant pattern This is green dominant: http://www.mooremilitaria.com/media/wysiwyg/Class_II_ERDL.jpg This is what I was issued in Marine Corps boot camp (Parris Island) in 1978. I was in the first series to get these. We were issued two sets of ODs and two sets of the ERDL cammies. I hated it when we went to the straight-cut pockets. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 11:37:57 AM EDT
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Straight-cut ERDL with the single-pleat trouser pockets were in the system around 1975-ish.
My 1978-odd issue was about 90% green dominant and 10% brown. The cammie print was indeed better. Woodland M1983 ("BDU") is a much larger pattern with distinct edges. The ERDL pattern is fantastic. If you look at Multicam/OCP it's just a color variation vice a major shape shift. Multicam is truly a better all-around coloration and pattern, but ERDL green is GREAT in any kind of wooded/verdant area. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 12:12:37 PM EDT
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The "Rip-Stop" fabric ripped easily, but it was lightweight and dried quickly after getting wet.
Super comfortable fatigues. Like pajamas. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 12:38:39 PM EDT
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RDF camo shirt. Used in between ERDL and Woodland (1976-1981)
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Posted: 10/16/2016 1:27:37 PM EDT
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This guy on Youtube does a lot of great videos on camouflage. He does videos on all patterns and uniforms used through the years of the military. I'm not sure how far back he goes. I have seen WWII all the way to present day. I have not watched them all but really interesting to see what works and what doesn't. Might be some helpful things in his videos. I also think he covers the history of them a bit. It has been a while since I watched them.
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Posted: 10/16/2016 5:05:57 PM EDT
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This is what I was issued in Marine Corps boot camp (Parris Island) in 1978. I was in the first series to get these. We were issued two sets of ODs and two sets of the ERDL cammies. I hated it when we went to the straight-cut pockets. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There were two separate ERDL color patterns -- green dominant and brown dominant. Your picture is of the brown dominant pattern This is green dominant: http://www.mooremilitaria.com/media/wysiwyg/Class_II_ERDL.jpg This is what I was issued in Marine Corps boot camp (Parris Island) in 1978. I was in the first series to get these. We were issued two sets of ODs and two sets of the ERDL cammies. I hated it when we went to the straight-cut pockets. 1 year after for me. I got two ERDL slant pocket blouses and 2 straight pocket. Trousers were all straight pocket and yes, they did suck and look like shit compared to the slant pockets. I think a couple of platoons behind me got the two sateen/two cammies. Sateen covers for years though. S/F |
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