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Posted: 12/29/2008 6:44:17 AM EDT
Ok I know this is a lame question but it is driving me nuts. What length is best?  I am confused by all the lengths and what ones to buy for my AR's that are chambered 7.62. I dot want to get the wrong length?

Also, can I run .223 in it as well?


I am looking to go to the range to have fun. I dont care about the ballistics of it. I do want a bout 100 rounds for the house defense but other than that I jsut want something to have fun with

any help appreciated.

Sorry for the newb questions.
Link Posted: 12/29/2008 6:50:39 AM EDT
[#1]
7.62 is .308.

.308 is 7.62x51
Link Posted: 12/29/2008 6:54:48 AM EDT
[#2]
Common 7.62s

7.62x39mm - Russian round fired in the SKS and AK47
7.62x51mm - Nato .30 caliber round, almost the same as .308 win (different pressures and case thicknesses among other things, someone more knowledgeable will fill in here). This is what your AR10s are typically chambered in, M1A, FAL, etc.
7.62x54Rmm - Rimmed Russian round fired in the Mosin-Nagant and some other Russian semi-autos (Dragunov?sp?)
7.62x63mm - is the .30-06 springfield, M1 Garand, 1903, BAR, etc.

Most likely your 7.62 ARs are 7.62x51mm/.308. It should say on the barrel...
Link Posted: 12/29/2008 7:48:02 AM EDT
[#3]
Guys,
thank you very much for the replies. It helped out alot.  When I get home I will look at my uppers to see.

So when you see someone selling a AR upper in 308 they are basically saying its 7.62x51?

Can you run 7.62x39 in an AR that is 7.62X51 or is the shell length to small? ( just asking so i understand what would, could or will happen)

thank you again for all the help.
Chris
Link Posted: 12/29/2008 8:12:54 AM EDT
[#4]
No, you can not run 7.62X39 in a 7.62 NATO chamber nor does it work the other way around.  You have some serious studyin' to do before your next trip to the range.  I would recommend learning about cartridge lengths and chamber pressures.
Link Posted: 12/29/2008 8:56:01 AM EDT
[#5]
Sevo,

There's nothing wrong with being a newbie. I'm glad you are asking these questions. With that said, your questions do suggest to us that you have a lot studying up to do.

As to your question about .308 vs 7.62x51mm. It is my understanding that you can run the 7.62x51mm NATO in a .308win chamber, but it is not recommended to run .308win in a 7.62x51mm chamber. The barrel should say what the chambering is. This is due to differences in chamber pressure (and other minor things).

As to your question about running 7.62x39mm in a 7.62x51mm rifle. No. Think about the way the rifle operates. The case head, where the primer is, is held into place by the bolt face (whether a bolt action, semi auto, whatever). If the chamber of the rifle is 51mm long and a 39mm cartridge is cycled into it, the 39mm cartridge won't 'fill up' the chamber. The bullet won't reach the rifling. The case shoulders won't reach the end of the chamber. If you fired the rifle, BOOM! The case would probably rupture and you'd have a bad day.

Rifles don't work like a .357 magnum revolver does in its ability to fire .38 specials (the bullet is .357 in diameter by the way).

Does this help?
Link Posted: 12/29/2008 9:17:36 AM EDT
[#6]
It helps a lot, thank you very much.

I am sorry if it sounds like I don't know much about it, I just have so much info in my head I want to make sure I am heading down the right path.

thank you guys for your help. It is great to be able to have a resource such as this.

Do you have a book that you recommend that can break this down in lay terms. Or a good goto resource?



Link Posted: 12/29/2008 9:22:36 AM EDT
[#7]
Hopefully some others will be by with some recommendations for further reading for you.

To be honest, I learn new stuff every day right here on this site. The information that I have obtained has been learned almost solely by reading on this forum and others and following links to other informative websites posted in threads of interest to me.

You are on the right track. It just takes time to increase your knowledge base.
Link Posted: 12/29/2008 9:23:05 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
It helps a lot, thank you very much.

I am sorry if it sounds like I don't know much about it, I just have so much info in my head I want to make sure I am heading down the right path.

thank you guys for your help. It is great to be able to have a resource such as this.

Do you have a book that you recommend that can break this down in lay terms. Or a good goto resource?






Umm there is this site called AR15.com and if you spend some time READING on it, you will learn alot.

NO you can not shoot 5.56 out of a 7.62x anything upper
Link Posted: 12/29/2008 9:30:03 AM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Quoted:
It helps a lot, thank you very much.

I am sorry if it sounds like I don't know much about it, I just have so much info in my head I want to make sure I am heading down the right path.

thank you guys for your help. It is great to be able to have a resource such as this.

Do you have a book that you recommend that can break this down in lay terms. Or a good goto resource?






Umm there is this site called AR15.com and if you spend some time READING on it, you will learn alot.

NO you can not shoot 5.56 out of a 7.62x anything upper


So you know, Sevo, .223rem and 5.56x45mm NATO, are virtually the same. Neither are 7.62mm––you asked about shooting .223 in your 7.62 in the first post.

The differences between .223 and 5.56 are discussed on this forum ad nauseum. The differences are very similar to the differences between 7.62x51 and .308. The 5.56 is higher pressure. At the top of this forum are some great links that discuss the 5.56 in great detail.
Link Posted: 12/29/2008 11:01:20 AM EDT
[#10]
5.56 = .223 + thicker case and higher preassure.  A 5.56 gun can shoot .223 and 5.56.  but a .223 gun can only shoot .223.

308win = 7.62x51 + thicker case and more pressure.  a 308 can shoot both but a 7.62x51 gun prolly shouldnt shoot a 308.  I dont think the differences are as much as a 5.56vs223, but its still not identical

7.62x39 is the russian ak/sks round, the case is shaped differently and the rounds are not interchangeable.  the bullets are not even the same as 308.  they are .003" bigger.
Link Posted: 12/29/2008 1:21:47 PM EDT
[#11]
Link Posted: 12/30/2008 1:45:37 AM EDT
[#12]
Great post Zhukov!
Link Posted: 12/30/2008 2:57:05 AM EDT
[#13]
Guys, I really appreciate the help with this. The info here was really helped. I appreciate your patience and guidance. I have learned a lot from your posts.

it is folks like you guys that make this forum great.


Chris
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