Both Red Dot AND Scope? I need opinions

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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Both Red Dot AND Scope? I need opinions

Posted: 1/8/2009 5:23:41 PM EDT

I've been looking at sights for a while now and i've been trying to determine what is the best thing for me to get. I like red dot sights, but I also want to do some long range shooting. I found the ATN over under for about $700$, which has the 3x scope for long range with the red dot on top of it for short range. I was wondering if anyone knows anything about this sort of set up? Also are there any other set ups like this where you would not have to take off your magnified scope to use a red dot site or something for short range? I'm open to all opinions and Ideas.

Posted: 1/8/2009 6:21:32 PM EDT

[#1]

I have an Aimpoint T-1 Micro mounted on a Daniel Defense offset mount and an ACOG in a standard mount. I like it a lot so far. You can maintain a nice cheekweld with both optics, unlike some of the "dot on top" setups.

Posted: 1/8/2009 6:29:54 PM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
I have an Aimpoint T-1 Micro mounted on a Daniel Defense offset mount and an ACOG in a standard mount. I like it a lot so far. You can maintain a nice cheekweld with both optics, unlike some of the "dot on top" setups.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/jnewman606/AR/arlay.jpg

Are you a lefty?

Posted: 1/8/2009 7:00:01 PM EDT

[#3]

No... it's mounted on that side so you rotate the rifle into your cheek to see through the red dot. You can rotate the rifle 45 degrees in comfortable but if you rotate it out the lower part of the stock sticks into your chest and you can't get a good cheek weld.

Posted: 1/8/2009 7:42:01 PM EDT

[#4]

A canted red dot sight will always be on your strong side. It's much much easier to "chicken wing" it and have a good cheek weld than it is to bring your elbow across your chest.

Posted: 1/8/2009 7:46:30 PM EDT

[#5]

Well that's a new set up to me. I've never seen the offset rail mount. Can most red dot sights be mounted like that. Also, how hard is it to zero in when its mounted like that?

Posted: 1/8/2009 8:26:40 PM EDT

[#6]

Put my bipod on the opposite side and zero like normal since it's straight up and down.

Posted: 1/9/2009 3:23:48 AM EDT

[#7]

I just use a 1-4X optic and turn it to 1X for up close and 4X for long range shots.

Posted: 1/9/2009 3:48:13 AM EDT

[#8]

That's all you really need, no need to turn your rifle to the left or right just move your eye an inch.

Posted: 1/9/2009 3:55:54 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
http://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii328/bigcoastie/094.jpg

That's all you really need, no need to turn your rifle to the left or right just move your eye an inch.

That is a slick setup no doubt. But you are limited to one brand, and 4X on the long side. I have a scope that starts at 4.5X and goes to 30X. My only option is an offset mount to get my red dot working. I am thinking about the YHM angles mount.

Posted: 1/9/2009 4:38:18 AM EDT

[#10]

I'm not sold on the variable 1-4x scopes. When you have to take time to adjust it, you are wasting time. If you can just rotate the rifle a few degrees, it's much faster. That's why I went with the ACOG + T-1 side mounted option.

Posted: 1/9/2009 6:27:52 AM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
That's all you really need, no need to turn your rifle to the left or right just move your eye an inch.

But when you do that, you lose your cheek weld, or at least change it.

Posted: 1/9/2009 7:06:17 AM EDT

[#12]

Very true for most people you just have to find out what you like.

Canting your rifle, moving your head, flipping up a magnifier or changing the power of your scope all have pros and cons.

Try some stuff out if possible. Buying an Acog and then adding the red dot, buying a red dot and then adding the magnifier, or even buying a millet dms and then getting the accupoint or short dot k-dot w/e or something similar are all options if you don't want to spend all of it up front.

Posted: 1/9/2009 7:43:20 AM EDT

[#13]

Burris 1-4X Extreme Tactical with Fast Fire Red Dot:

http://www.phossil.com/thom/SIG%20556%20Commando/Commando%20Scope.jpg

http://www.phossil.com/thom/SIG%20556%20Commando/Commando%20Right%20Bayo4.jpg

Posted: 1/9/2009 5:07:02 PM EDT

[#14]

For that burris extreme tactical scope, Did you attach the red dot to the scope somehow or did you buy it already put together like that. Because i went to big river tactical website and seen the red dot sight and scopes like you have, just seperate.

Posted: 1/9/2009 5:20:28 PM EDT

[#15]

We manufacture 2 specific MRD mounting solutions. The Scope Accessory Ring Rail (SAR) for mounting an MRD anywhere you desire on a 1", 30mm or 34mm tube.

We also produce the MURLM (Multi-Use Rail & Light Mount) as well that offsets an MRD along with a very quick detach light mount from the main unit. This was made for folks who do not wish to use the high 12:00 o'clock head position of the standard ACOG setup. It has the least amount of moment needed to engage the dot, (less than 5 deg) and you really do not realize your canting at all since it's so close to the bore of the ACOG. Hope this helps with your decision making process and you can see some videos here of both setups. MURLM

Posted: 1/9/2009 6:11:23 PM EDT

[#16]

I really like the SAR line from TNVC, it looks like a very appealing option. I was just curious about the dot sight mounted on the scope in the picture they have up here. It looks like the sight is off to the side a little bit. Is this true or does it just look like that in the picture. If i bought one of these would i be able to mount it directly above the scope?

Posted: 1/10/2009 7:06:49 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
I really like the SAR line from TNVC, it looks like a very appealing option. I was just curious about the dot sight mounted on the scope in the picture they have up here. It looks like the sight is off to the side a little bit. Is this true or does it just look like that in the picture. If i bought one of these would i be able to mount it directly above the scope?

Indeed, the Micro T1 you see depicted above is mounted between the Nightforce turrets. This is the beauty of the SAR, you can swivel it in any direction or position where your scope tube allows. Hope this helps.

Vic

SAR depicted with a Leupy

Posted: 1/10/2009 7:24:25 AM EDT

[#18]

Here is one of the Tactical Night Vision mounts on my .308 SASS. It is a great product. The red dot is one of my Primary Arms Micro Dot sights.

Posted: 1/10/2009 1:32:40 PM EDT

[#19]

Ok, then that is exactly what i'm looking for. Thanks for all of the help everyone.

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Both Red Dot AND Scope? I need opinions

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