Title says it all.  Can't find one locally to look at and the standard pics on the vendors websites are lacking.  I would like to know the size of the dot and how easy/hard it is to pick up.  From the pics on the vendors' sites you can't even see the amber dot.  I would like to know if you can in real life/use .

I understand the  triangle wiill be "faster" up close and have seen both the red and green versions in person, but am interested in the cross hair for hitting 10" steel at 200-300 yards.

Thanks,
Rob

I don't own one any more, but it was easy to pick up that green dot (mine was green), especially if there's any kind of sunlight out. It does stand out very well, even against green shrubs/trees (which we have a lot of here in southern AZ, despite popular misconceptions).


 

SWFA should have it on their website!

SWFA

From SWFA's website:




ETA: If anyone has real life pictures I'd be interested in seeing them.  I'm trying to decide what 1-4 power scope to go with too.

My dot seemed pretty square and no larger than the lines of the reticle.

That is NOT what the dot looks like.

Maybe it should have been described as a tiny dot?

Which is why I prefer the triangle, despite its shortcomings. The Accupoint has unparalleled daytime illumination via the fiber optic when paired with the triangle, and the green triangle is quite bright at night as well. I think you lose this benefit with the crosshair...

No kidding, that really is not what I was even remotely expecting.  I guess I'll be looking at the Burris XTR instead.

Don't be silly.
the glass in the trijicon is in a whole different league from burris.
The 1x setting is VERY usable as a dot scope and generous with off axis viewing (eye alignment less critical).

According to page 27 of this PDF on the trijicon website, the dot is .9 MOA.
http://www.trijicon.com/pdfs/AccuPoint_Specs.pdf
You can see it very clearly for times when you would need a dot (against dark backgrounds)
otherwise, the german crosshair pattern combined with the dot will make the point aiming very fast.
It is a compromise with a bias towards long range precision while solving the low light problem and still providing a bright dot to help in CQB.
Your description of requirements in your first post basically described this optic to a tee.
If you want to skew he bias more towards CQB, get the triangle reticle with it's 3.6 MOA aiming point.

LaRue sells it in combo with an SPR mount for $875
http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=325

I tested both and ended up with yellow when we're talking German No. 4.



For indoor work,. it doesn't show up so I'm using an LED to light the fiber optic.

So you cannot see your "dot" in the dark?  I thought these were tritium powered for night time use?

That's correct. This optic really is an outdoor optic as the dot is too small to see it indoors using Tritium.
If you want that option, I've heard the green triangle does just fine indoors.

I just sold a Burris XTR for a TR24, and I can tell you without question that the glass that is used in the XTR is absolutely fantastic.  

Im guessing you've never see an xtr 1-4.

Frankly, I'd take a XTR 1-4 over a German #4 TR24 any day of the week.  Its a better reticle for its intended purpose.  

Crosshairs with a tiny illuminated dot?  Don't really do me any good since you can't range with them, and the dot isn't big enough to make me comfortable using it up close.  The triangle/post IMHO is the way to go if you're going to get a TR24, but obviously thats just my opinion.  The red triangle is plenty bright for 24/7 use.

Thanks for the pictures.

I have never had the chance to compare the burris and trijicon head to head, but have looked through Burris glass at gun shows and sporting goods stores.
I find the subjective perception of visual quality very difficult to measure. Pics on the web are helpful but brightness and contrast are not always what the eye sees. I know that my glass is better than some of the pics I have seen, every trijicon I have ever seen has been.
I also know that reticle brightness is not the be all end all for optics.
field of view, clarity (edge to edge), eye relief, parallax, light transmission, all combine to produce a superior aiming optic.
Ranging with an AR is almost meaningless out to 200 yards (+1.5" at 100 yards, flat at 200)

Rob said
To hit 10" steel at 200, your 50 yard zero will be spot on so no holdover necessary.
At 300, you will have 8.1" of drop (with 75 grain TAP) so just aim at the top of the target and you'll nail it all day long.

No need for elaborate ranging systems to meet his requirements of nailing targets at known distances.
The .9 MOA dot will be very fast and effective.

Beyond that, I have called and spoke to a rep at Trijicon to get them to send me the specs on the german 4 reticle that could possibly assist in ranging. Still waiting on that detail to come in email . . .

Have you read this thread?
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=470673

Thanks again for the replies. I use a T-1 on my work rifle. This optic will be replacing a Weaver 1-3 on my 3-gun rifle, it won't be used for clearing rooms or anything more high speed than shooting mini-ipsc targets.  

My only concern was whether or not the dot was useful. From the pics it looks like the German #4 will work for what I want.  A friend of mine has the red triangle version and has had issues with the posts at longer ranges. Enough so that he used an ACOG at Ft. Benning instead of the TR-24.  

I am surprised that it appears the amber dot is more visible than the green from the pics that were posted.

RobNC,
FWIW, I have trouble shooting the triangle reticule accurately at long distance.  A part of the problem stems from those double vertical lines and the reticule is just blurry to me.  
Another 3-gunner, Cold, originally recommended the German No. 4 yellow dot over the green dot and after having compared the two, side by side, I agree with him.  BTW, it's hard to capture that dot in a picture as it's even brighter, under the sun, in real life.

Can we get a night time shot?  I wanna use one shooting yotes, and would like to see how bright the dot is.  Standing outside and shooting at street sign or door, or dog :)