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Posted: 6/25/2016 4:28:39 PM EDT
New Bushmaster 90629 Predator 5+1 223REM/5.56NATO 20" Flat-Top

After the last shot the bolt on goes about two thirds of the way back.



Have tried different magazines and it makes no difference.
Have tried a kinds of ammo and it makes no difference.
Have tried replacing the Spring and Buffer and it makes no difference.
Have tried replacing replacing the bolt and it makes no difference.
Have Triple checked the alignment and fit of the gas tube.

It is running wet!

Suggestions?
Link Posted: 6/25/2016 7:47:16 PM EDT
[#1]
What's the bolt release/ catch looking like?
Link Posted: 6/25/2016 8:25:39 PM EDT
[#2]
Link Posted: 6/25/2016 10:06:18 PM EDT
[#3]
Link Posted: 6/25/2016 11:35:48 PM EDT
[#4]
Link Posted: 6/25/2016 11:58:58 PM EDT
[#5]
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From the pic it looks like the bolt catch is being pushed up by the magazine follower like it should.  Can you manually cycle the action back using the charging handle and get the bolt to lock behind the bolt catch, showing it can mechanically be done and nothing is hindering the bolt carrier assembly from going all the way rearward?    

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Yes
Link Posted: 6/26/2016 7:37:59 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/26/2016 3:24:09 PM EDT
[#7]
OK, I switched out the Complete Bolt Carrier Group.
Now it's working.
Wonder why it didn't the original?????
Link Posted: 6/26/2016 5:44:52 PM EDT
[#8]
Check the gas key on the original carrier. Probably loose.
Link Posted: 6/26/2016 7:14:23 PM EDT
[#9]
Both gas keys are good.
Link Posted: 6/27/2016 7:33:02 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/27/2016 12:03:43 PM EDT
[#11]
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Key bolts may be tight, but the problem child carrier may have something (bur) under the key to carrier surfaces to cause the key to be leaking from the top of the carrier surface instead.


Its easy enough to check, and put some CLP around the base of the key to the carrier, hold the bolt in, and pressurize the front the key with 100lbs of air to check for a leak between the two.  If a leak is found, send the carrier back for a replacement.  Hence you can resolve the problem easy enough by removing the bur and lapping the two into each other, but you don't reuse key bolts, and would need new bolts, then have to stake the key back into the key bolt side of spines when you are done.
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OK, thanks for the tip.
I checked it at 140 psi absolutely no leak.

Has to be something I am missing.
I did the test again today, put it the good carrier loaded 10 mags with one round each.
Bolt stayed back properly each time.

Put in the bad carrier and did the same test.
Bolt only went 3/4's of the way back ten times.

Put the good carrier bolt in the bad carrier and the results were the same.
Link Posted: 6/27/2016 5:35:14 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/27/2016 6:45:51 PM EDT
[#13]
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You can swap the bolts on the carriers to  live fire test,  to weed the problem down to either being a bad bolt or bad carrier alone.
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Already did that.
The carrier is bad.
Link Posted: 6/27/2016 10:35:47 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/28/2016 7:39:49 AM EDT
[#15]
Did you take the key off your suspect carrier to make sure the carrier screw is not cracked?  At any rate I'd return the bad one and see if they send you a replacement
Link Posted: 7/10/2016 1:17:18 PM EDT
[#16]
So it starts again!

I bought a ANDERSON MANUFACTURING - M16 5.56 BOLT CARRIER GROUP.
I put it in and it seemed to work, although I did not do extensive testing.

I was so confidant that the problem was fixed I sent the original bushmaster BCG back to
bushmaster.

Went out today and the problem reappeared.
Same thing bolt only stays partially open on the last round.

I have two identical bushmasters so I switched the bcg from the known good gun to this gun.
After 30 single loaded mags I could not get it to fail.

I put the 'bad' bcg in the known good gun and it failed bolt only stays partially open on the last round.

I now have one good - working bcg the works perfectly in both bushmasters.

Conclusion is (and I am speculating) I have two 'bad' bcg's??
Seems hard to believe but what else could it be?
Link Posted: 7/10/2016 4:43:54 PM EDT
[#17]
Link Posted: 7/10/2016 8:30:39 PM EDT
[#18]
I'm thinking maybe gas block leak with borderline undergassed as a result. Could result in variation of function with different BCGs.
Link Posted: 7/10/2016 11:31:34 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/11/2016 11:26:17 PM EDT
[#20]
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So it starts again!

I bought a ANDERSON MANUFACTURING - M16 5.56 BOLT CARRIER GROUP.
I put it in and it seemed to work, although I did not do extensive testing.

I was so confidant that the problem was fixed I sent the original bushmaster BCG back to
bushmaster.

Went out today and the problem reappeared.
Same thing bolt only stays partially open on the last round.

I have two identical bushmasters so I switched the bcg from the known good gun to this gun.
After 30 single loaded mags I could not get it to fail.

I put the 'bad' bcg in the known good gun and it failed bolt only stays partially open on the last round.

I now have one good - working bcg the works perfectly in both bushmasters.

Conclusion is (and I am speculating) I have two 'bad' bcg's??
Seems hard to believe but what else could it be?
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Anderson isn't exactly known for high quality parts.  Maybe you're one of the unlucky ones with out of spec something.
Link Posted: 7/12/2016 12:56:58 PM EDT
[#21]
So I decided I had nothing to lose so I got out the dremel tool.
I polished everything!

Problem Solved.

Did 50 one round magazines(used every mag I had).
Not one time did it fail lock all the way back.







Link Posted: 7/12/2016 3:10:02 PM EDT
[#22]
Link Posted: 7/12/2016 11:39:25 PM EDT
[#23]
Thanks for the advise but it's working, I am not going to change anything!
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