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Posted: 11/5/2013 6:43:42 AM EST
I have been looking into the russian red dot sights available on the market for my ak74 and am wondering what the best one is. I would like to only spend around $250. I really like the PK A Venezuelan but its very expensive. How are the regular pka and pk01? Does it get annoying that they are not centered over the sights and are a little to the left? Where is a good cheap place to purchase these optics from?
Link Posted: 11/5/2013 1:45:45 PM EST
[#1]
I had a PK-A on my Saiga MK/AK-104 and it was very good to be honest and the fact it was offset to the left wasn't a problem, infact it felt very natural to line up but that may be down to the fact the POSP on my SVDS is offset so I'm used to it.For the price I couldn't fault it, it was built like a tank and had variable brightness and very clear glass. I don't know if its an option in the States but I ordered mine direct from Belarus as that worked out the cheapest option.
Link Posted: 11/5/2013 3:04:52 PM EST
[#2]
PK-01V should center over the bore, and is nice and low. Usually retails between $250 - $300, and is a conventional 30mm tube, so, if it didn't center exactly, pop it out of the factory mount, and put into a RS Regulate mount.













If you wanted Ruskie, but not too expensive, that would be the way to go. Oleg on Gunbroker has them for $259 I think?

 
Link Posted: 11/5/2013 7:06:19 PM EST
[#3]
Thank you for the replies. I really prefer the look of the pka's but I do not really know how I will deal with the left leaning of the sight. The pk01 appears to be very nice but idk I guess it just doesn't have that typical com bloc look that I want. I think if I were to get the Pk01, I would probably just step up and get an Aimpoint and an rs regulator mount. A guy on ebay has pka's for $190 and $40 shipping from Russia. I think I might go that route, but I am going to do a little more research first.
Here is the auction. Will this fit my Waffen Werks side rail?
ebay auction
Link Posted: 11/5/2013 9:51:56 PM EST
[#4]
If you have the funds, I would suggest the Aimpoint/RS mount combo. I have one, and I prefer it over my PK-A Venezuela.



Link Posted: 11/6/2013 10:27:43 AM EST
[#5]
ETA: Voron (aka LocalIdiot on here, wrote this review)



Its been a little while since I came across any new Russian optics that
really caught my attention and stood among local competition. Few weeks
ago I received a new Belomo optic called "PK-06" for testing and
evaluation. I have seen a few pix on the net of this particular unit,
but never got to handle it in person.  When I opened the package I was
absolutely shocked by the size of this little gizmo. This thing was
close to an Aimpoint Micro in both size and weight.


This illustration will help you guys visualize its size in real life





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compared to a 7,62x39 cartridge








My
initial thought that this was just a little toy to bring and show off
to your buddies at the local shooting club. This particular model came
as a weaver model equipped with (2) control buttons


-on the left side
of the optic you have the reticule option that has 3 different
setting-similar to its predecessor- Axion made KOBRA.





1 MOA red dot, a 3-bar and a 3-bar with a red dot in the center











-on
the right side of the optic you have a 3-position switch that turns the
optic on and regulates the brightness level of the dot itself.





notice
the drain holes located on both sides of the collimator. This is a new
feature that was lacking on Korba. I have not personally experienced
this, but I have heard of guys loosing the reticule under a heavy rain.








the
controls for adjusting windage and elevation are also seen in the pix
above. The have the reminiscence of the PK-AS, where you have to loosen
the tork screw  that allows you to make final adjustments. After you
achieved you desired POI you simply lock it back down using a small
flathead screw. Windage and elevation controls are preformed with a
provided allen wrench. I found the adjustments to be pretty coarse- for a
quarter of a turn @100 meters the POI moves almost 5 cm. So take your
time when doing the final corrections.





For evaluation I decided
to mount the collimator on my trusty Molot Ultra-low profile side mount.
Range conditions for this time of year were almost perfect for NE PA,
with temperatures being around 2C (35F). Rifle selected was AK-103 and
ammo used was Wolf 122 grain FMJ


-we decided to get on paper at the
distance of around 70 meters so we would be able to see the 30 caliber
bullet holes with ease. The goal of the range trip was to verify
collimator's circuit functions as well as the ability to hold zero under
various conditions.





Just like the owner of the RS Regulate, the
person who sent this optic for my field evaluation had no clue what kind
of tests this unit will be put through.





-We started out with the rifle benched and fired the first controlled group.





notice
that I have a decent cheek weld using this setup. I did not feel the
need to attach additional material such an SVD cheek to obtain a good
feel. The optic sits in the same plain as the shooter's eye








first groups was fired and recorded





I then removed the optic off the rifle along with the side mount and kicked it 50 feet in the air, forcing it to land on rocks








I
apologize the for crummy pic-it was difficult to catch it in mid-drift.
You can barely make it out against the orange leaves to the left





After repeated throws and finally having it land on the sight itself we decided to test its rigidity back on the rifle











next shot groups was fired and recorded





as
you can see the POI has indeed moved. The groups was nearly identical,
but the POI as low. I looked at the ammo and realized that I have
accidentally switched to the 154 gr SP projectiles.








Back to the grind! Optic once more removed and tossed back in the air








This time a friend of mine wanted a turn





this time you can clearly see the unit directly above his arm, about 5 meters high


now that both the scope and the sight has been pretty beat up, I decided it was time for another string of fire





this time I made sure to use the same ammo








Both side mount and PK-06 retained zero





Did someone say pushups? never hurts to get some additional exercise!




















The final controlled group was fired and the sight has retained zero and managed to survive a Russian Idiot








After this we switched to Lapua ammo and shot another group to see the ammo variation


4 shots yielded excellent results











So
far we have preformed some painful tests to this little unit,
consisting of external forces. But what about internal inertia of the
bolt carrier slamming against the rear trunnion? AK platform has fairy
high cyclic rate, and the fact that the bolt with the bolt carrier weigh
over  a pound, we decided to do a few mag dumps down range to see how
the optic holds up during high rate of fire











At
this time we were running out of daylight and decided to have some fun
with the steel plates that are hung at 200 meters. While shooting
off-hand I failed to hit the target a single time





I decided to go prone to stabilize my posture and finished the magazine firing at the 15 inch plate suspended downrange.


(again, notice the proper eye alignment and the way PK-06 sits in line with it.











absolutely
puzzled, I failed to hit the target. At this point I was beginning to
think that during the mag dumps the POI has  shifted. The only thing to
do was to go back to the 70 yard line and verify zero
the results were strange. The POI has not changed a bit.








The
only option that seemed feasible was the fact I simply missed the
target and need to learn to shoot. At the end I wanted to go and see
just where did my rounds hit with respect to the steel plate.


There were only (2) plates left, all others have been  shot down. I was shooting at the left vertical plate














upon
coming closer I realized that the left plate was not a plate but a
see-and shoot target that someone replaced the plate with. Someone
accidentally shot the metal wire and instead of re-hanging the plate
they decided to place a similar size paper target











So?
Not a bad little optic. This will be added to my 7,62x39 AK and will
remain there from now on. The optic proved itself in the field under
various conditions and never lost zero.
NOW: the bad.





A
while a go I have got PM from another forum member that he was
interested  in this particular sight. After exchanging numerous emails
he informed me of a certain artifact that was enough for him to send the
optic back to the manufacturer for inspection. There was a projection
of the microchip that was directly in the line of the red dot itself
that was causing a glair. At first he thought that it was a defect in
the sight, but later on we learned that indeed it is a part of the way
the optic was designed. I also experienced this exact scenario, but It
didn't bother me, simply because the only time that I was seeing this
phenomenon is when the you would either raise the rifle up or position
you eye lower.


Here is couple of pix of ME TRYING to re-create this scenario





You can see the orange "microchip" projection that takes place around the reticule itself





apparently
it gets intensified during  bright sunlight, but I honestly did not
notice it that much. There is a difference between "looking" for flaw
and simply operating the sight as intended.





In the end I would
still recommend this optic to any shooter simply because it is a very
robust and rigid sight. I have not done the battery life tests simply
because of lack of time


Perhaps I will ship it to my good friend TX-ZEN for further evaluation.





Another
aspect that we have not yet touched was fielding this thing on a
flat-top AR-style rifle. I bet it would be awesome since the picatinny
on the AR platform sits nice and low giving perfect cheek weld to the
shooter





As far as the optic itself, I give it 8/10 for being what it is. PM me if you need any further info.





Anton


Nov 6, 2013
 
Link Posted: 11/7/2013 12:05:22 AM EST
[#6]
That's a pretty expensive red dot, especially since you'll need a mounting solution in addition, although that wouldn't change for aimpoints or eotechs either.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/COLLIMATOR-RED-DOT-ULTRA-SIGHT-PK-06-SCOPE-/321073702641?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ac17be6f1
Link Posted: 11/7/2013 8:37:51 AM EST
[#7]
Yeah, definitely hard to stomach that $389 price on something with no state-side support, no mount, and an unknown track record... you could get a FastFire III for less, or an RMR for not much more.  Mind you, I'm not sure I'd do an AK push-up on either, so maybe the PK-06 has something to be said for it.
Link Posted: 11/7/2013 11:54:00 AM EST
[#8]
For that kind of money it better have something close to Aimpoint run time on an easy to acquire battery.

I have my doubts on both counts but, this is interesting.

Wpns Man
Link Posted: 11/7/2013 12:01:12 PM EST
[#9]

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For that kind of money it better have something close to Aimpoint run time on an easy to acquire battery.

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A warranty would be nice as well.



 
Link Posted: 12/29/2013 9:20:09 AM EST
[#10]
Just got my pk-a venezuelan yesterday and took it to my range. I love it!!
Worth every penny.
Link Posted: 12/29/2013 4:20:16 PM EST
[#11]
I think the PK-A Venezuela is the best of the combloc red dots that you can get your hands on here in the states. Battery life is on par with Aimpoints.

PK01-VS is slightly better in my opinion but they are impossible to find right now. I still prefer the collimators like Rakurs and Obzor but PK-A Venezuela is a really really good optic if you want to stay combloc.

http://russianoptics.net/reddot.html



Z
Link Posted: 12/29/2013 7:48:30 PM EST
[#12]
I have both the PK-06W and PK-01VI available at the moment. Pretty sure I have the cheapest prices. The only warranty I can offer is factory defect refund/replacement.

The review is correct about the chip being visible in bright conditions, but it's still a neat little optic.

Given that the PK-01VI is a 30mm tube design, you could probably mount it with that RS mount for a cheaper alternative to an Aimpoint. (Not sure on this, please confirm before trying)

http://www.defenseimportsolutions.com/home/imports/optics
Link Posted: 12/30/2013 6:33:17 AM EST
[#13]
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I have both the PK-06W and PK-01VI available at the moment. Pretty sure I have the cheapest prices. The only warranty I can offer is factory defect refund/replacement.

The review is correct about the chip being visible in bright conditions, but it's still a neat little optic.

Given that the PK-01VI is a 30mm tube design, you could probably mount it with that RS mount for a cheaper alternative to an Aimpoint. (Not sure on this, please confirm before trying)

http://www.defenseimportsolutions.com/home/imports/optics
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hey man, on your website under the description of PK-06W your ad states that is it NV compatible. It is NOT. the lower brightness setting if FAAAR to bright for any modern NV device.
Link Posted: 12/30/2013 8:30:32 AM EST
[#14]
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hey man, on your website under the description of PK-06W your ad states that is it NV compatible. It is NOT. the lower brightness setting if FAAAR to bright for any modern NV device.
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I have both the PK-06W and PK-01VI available at the moment. Pretty sure I have the cheapest prices. The only warranty I can offer is factory defect refund/replacement.

The review is correct about the chip being visible in bright conditions, but it's still a neat little optic.

Given that the PK-01VI is a 30mm tube design, you could probably mount it with that RS mount for a cheaper alternative to an Aimpoint. (Not sure on this, please confirm before trying)

http://www.defenseimportsolutions.com/home/imports/optics



hey man, on your website under the description of PK-06W your ad states that is it NV compatible. It is NOT. the lower brightness setting if FAAAR to bright for any modern NV device.


Oh, thanks. I haven't tried it with NV myself and was just going on what the sales rep at Belomo told me.

Making the changes.
Link Posted: 1/1/2014 9:43:59 AM EST
[#15]
I really like the Venezuela PK-A, But after reading that full review of the Belomo optic PK-06 I might Have to give that a try ...
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