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Originally Posted By sparky-kb: I just ordered a set of Hesco M210's for my LV119 and I'm kinda second guessing myself. If those things were .308 rated they'd be just about the ideal plate for my budget. I guess the trade off I made was .61 inch thickness for low visibility urban use vs .308 protection. I'm a lot less worried about getting shot by hunters and farmers in my area (aka my neighbors) and figure if I was about to get "sniped" by a .308 hunting rifle they'd probably shoot me in the face anyway lol. I know some people still rock 308 battle rifles but not nearly as many as are using ARs and AKs. I don't know. I wanted green tip and 855A1 protection, thin, not ultra heavy, and affordable. Now I'm not so sure. Kinda rethinking whether losing .308 protection was a worthwhile trade off. Just kinda rambling here trying to justify my choice ![]() View Quote Any videos of how 308 performs after exiting those plates? |
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Originally Posted By sparky-kb: I just ordered a set of Hesco M210's for my LV119 and I'm kinda second guessing myself. If those things were .308 rated they'd be just about the ideal plate for my budget. I guess the trade off I made was .61 inch thickness for low visibility urban use vs .308 protection. I'm a lot less worried about getting shot by hunters and farmers in my area (aka my neighbors) and figure if I was about to get "sniped" by a .308 hunting rifle they'd probably shoot me in the face anyway lol. I know some people still rock 308 battle rifles but not nearly as many as are using ARs and AKs. I don't know. I wanted green tip and 855A1 protection, thin, not ultra heavy, and affordable. Now I'm not so sure. Kinda rethinking whether losing .308 protection was a worthwhile trade off. Just kinda rambling here trying to justify my choice ![]() View Quote If budget is a concern start stripping away unnecessary capabilities in order to keep weight down. Basically I think you made the right choice. |
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Originally Posted By sparky-kb: Buffman tested them against .308 rifles. 16 and 22 inch barrels from 45 feet. It stopped them but backface deformation was pretty significant. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sparky-kb: Originally Posted By 03RN: Any videos of how 308 performs after exiting those plates? Buffman tested them against .308 rifles. 16 and 22 inch barrels from 45 feet. It stopped them but backface deformation was pretty significant. That's what I kinda figured. Since you already have them I'd just keep them. You could always use some soft armor backers to help mitigate the bfd. Or realize that if someone was going to take a pot shot at you it would probably be from far enough away that the bfd wouldn't be that bad. |
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![]() Battle Steel Level III+ Lightweight & Affordable Armor Plate Test & Review These plates come in at about 4.5 lbs, which is a lot lighter than the set of lvl 4 plates I have, and they do pretty well in testing. |
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Originally Posted By sparky-kb: I just ordered a set of Hesco M210's for my LV119 and I'm kinda second guessing myself. If those things were .308 rated they'd be just about the ideal plate for my budget. I guess the trade off I made was .61 inch thickness for low visibility urban use vs .308 protection. I'm a lot less worried about getting shot by hunters and farmers in my area (aka my neighbors) and figure if I was about to get "sniped" by a .308 hunting rifle they'd probably shoot me in the face anyway lol. I know some people still rock 308 battle rifles but not nearly as many as are using ARs and AKs. I don't know. I wanted green tip and 855A1 protection, thin, not ultra heavy, and affordable. Now I'm not so sure. Kinda rethinking whether losing .308 protection for CONUS use was a worthwhile trade off. Just kinda rambling here trying to justify my choice. ![]() View Quote Get backers and don't wear them when low visibility is a priority. I'd think the m210s would stop most non magnum hunting rounds but it's gonna lump you up without backers. |
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Originally Posted By GreenMushroom: Get backers and don't wear them when low visibility is a priority. I'd think the m210s would stop most non magnum hunting rounds but it's gonna lump you up without backers. View Quote Yeah, that's an option I need to look into. They are fairly inexpensive. The gear whore in me says I may just need two separate plates carriers. One low vis and one overt ![]() |
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Originally Posted By sparky-kb: The gear whore in me says I may just need two separate plates carriers. One low vis and one overt ![]() View Quote This is the way. The lv119 is pretty low pro for an overt carrier but the reality is your not gonna wanna strip it down once you have everything set. Get a slickster type for low vis so you just pull your plates and leave your overt set up how you like it. |
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Originally Posted By GreenMushroom: This is the way. The lv119 is pretty low pro for an overt carrier but the reality is your not gonna wanna strip it down once you have everything set. Get a slickster type for low vis so you just pull your plates and leave your overt set up how you like it. View Quote I think the LV119 will work well enough for me for low vis use. I wore it into town today under a short sleeve button up and went into a few stores. Has 2 AR mags and IFAK contents in the elastic cummerbund cells. Nobody batted an eye. I'll probably end up getting something with mesh/padding for heavier overt use down the road. Not a really high priority right now though. |
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Originally Posted By 03RN: I use L sapis and wish they were mediums or 10x12s. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By 96Ag: Question, who makes the best carrier for 11x14 plates? I have 10x12 shooters cut and Ferro Slicksters and the plates stop well inside my nipples probably have an inch or two on either side. 6'1" 235 with a 48" chest. And how much do the wider plates affect movement? The 10x12 aren't really an impediment, which I like, but how much is the peripheral coverage lost in a real world context? I use L sapis and wish they were mediums or 10x12s. |
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Originally Posted By sparky-kb: Yeah, that's an option I need to look into. They are fairly inexpensive. The gear whore in me says I may just need two separate plates carriers. One low vis and one overt ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sparky-kb: Originally Posted By GreenMushroom: Get backers and don't wear them when low visibility is a priority. I'd think the m210s would stop most non magnum hunting rounds but it's gonna lump you up without backers. Yeah, that's an option I need to look into. They are fairly inexpensive. The gear whore in me says I may just need two separate plates carriers. One low vis and one overt ![]() @sparky-kb I did that. I’ve also got m210s. Over is a crye SPC and low profile is a trex ac1. I can wear the ac1 under a hoodie and it’s not really noticeable but anything less than that you can tell. I think the only low profile armor option is soft armor honestly. |
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Originally Posted By sparky-kb: @bdover Are you just swapping plates out depending on which one you want to use or did you buy two sets of M210s? I'm really thinking this LV119 can do both for me. I went with the covert rear plate bag when in bought it since there are zero realistic scenarios I foresee where I'd need back panels. I'm playing with using it as a slick carrier with chest rig over it instead of clipping on a placard if I need more gear. I pulled the clips off the front and am just throwing the other stuff (Mk4 placard and SACK dangler) on as a chest rig. It takes me 14 seconds to throw it on over the top of the slick carrier which is negligible and leaves the carrier as slick as possible. https://i.imgur.com/HV2wMnW.jpg Anyone else still doing that or are you all just adding placards as needed? View Quote @sparky-kb swapping the plates. They live in the crye then get swapped to the trex as needed. I’ve also got it so that in winter I wear the trex with plates over a base layer, the hill people wind cheater, then a spiritus thing 2 for a chest rig. Lets me layer & maximize my versatility. |
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Cross posting from the minimalist carrier thread.
T3 Tomahawk LC just came in. Threw in some RMA 1092’s (Medium, 9-1/2” x 12-1/2” SAPI and 1” thick, multi-curve) and tried it on, got it fitted how I like. Plate fitment is alright. Back bag is good, would like to sink the cover a little deeper, but it works. Front bag is snug getting the plate in, but the closure makes me think it was sized for something thicker. Most 10x12 and true SAPI mediums should fit pretty well, maybe trauma pads or 3A backers necessary for really thin plates. Initial impression, I like it. It’s not quite as comfortable as a LBT 6094/AWS OCPC, but it’s much lighter and breathes better. Shoulder interference is… Well, it’s got a couple caveats, but it’s clearer than a 6094, though not quite as good as the JPC. Shoulder straps are as minimal as you can get. The webbing has sharp edges, so the unpadded sleeves are a necessity, and you’ll probably still want a shirt with a collar unless you add pads. Basic loadout shouldn’t be uncomfortable without padding, it’s just a potential chafe issue. They pull from the front of the plate bag, so over time, the edge of the front plate may dig into your chest, it also creates an annoying snag hazard for the toe of your stock. Magpul SL-K (Fuck this thing, by the way. Whomever it was at Sig that decided to include these with the MCX ought to be kicked square in the daddy bags) would catch on the webbing and the little plastic D ring when coming off the shoulder, every time. Sopmod stock doesn’t do this, though, so another win for the classic sopmod, but YMMV based on your preferred stock. EOD mentions that placard ride height may be goofy based on the webbing loops for the buckles, but it fits an Esstac kywi placard absolutely perfectly from the top loop, the bottom of the placard is flush with the bottom of the plate bag. The cummerbund is nice. It’s sized to go from shmedium-sized dudes, all the way up to fat boy sizes. I think Heavy 6, or even a gayTF agent could fit into it, it’s at least a couple inches longer than the T-rex elastic cummerbund. However, the tabs at the top of the mag cells tend to rub against the underside of your arm when moving while carrying a rifle, I could easily see this being really annoying after hiking all day if you’re wearing short sleeves. The drag handle is fucking nice, this is what should be the standard rather than the goofy little carry handle built into most PC’s. It’s tubular nylon, and plays out to about a foot above the wearer’s head, it does most of what a DARCI strap does, though it’s not secured to your belt, so it probably still chokes out the dragee. One of our members has a video illustrating this on his channel, Modern Tactical Shooting, in his plate carrier video. QD setup is nice. Without a placard, you can jettison this thing in under two seconds. Little fiddly to grab the strap when throwing it on, but much better than hefting everything over your head while trying not to knock one of your teeth out. EOD Fish has a (Relatively) quick overview of the construction and features, for those that want to see what I’m talking about. ![]() T3 Gear: Tomahawk Plate Carrier Easily worth the $200, and a steal for the $137 I paid when T3 had their Memorial Day sale. |
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Does anyone have any opinions on velcro front placards, for securing the cummerbund to the front for quick and easy don/doff/adjust? Seems to me this would be more convenient than tubes for rapidly adjusting, and I'm kinda surprised it's not a common thing.
I've only found a few factory options, HRT Modulus, Def. Mechanisms molle kangaroo, and one from midwest armor. Would like to try out a 4-mag one as well, see if that works better with radio wings due to the dead space that arrangement creates. Leaning towards something that'll take a Lunar Concepts insert, though I'm getting rather annoyed that none of the manufacturers bother mentioning the orientation of the interior velcro, whether it be loop/loop or hook/loop. I'm also curious about seeing if 3 single, or 2 dual inserts will conform to the plate a bit better than the more rigid tricert/qucert. |
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Originally Posted By rb889: Does anyone have any opinions on velcro front placards, for securing the cummerbund to the front for quick and easy don/doff/adjust? Seems to me this would be more convenient than tubes for rapidly adjusting, and I'm kinda surprised it's not a common thing. I've only found a few factory options, HRT Modulus, Def. Mechanisms molle kangaroo, and one from midwest armor. Would like to try out a 4-mag one as well, see if that works better with radio wings due to the dead space that arrangement creates. Leaning towards something that'll take a Lunar Concepts insert, though I'm getting rather annoyed that none of the manufacturers bother mentioning the orientation of the interior velcro, whether it be loop/loop or hook/loop. I'm also curious about seeing if 3 single, or 2 dual inserts will conform to the plate a bit better than the more rigid tricert/qucert. View Quote I'm afraid I'm not getting what you're asking, but I'm not really smart either... |
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Originally Posted By stoner01: I'm afraid I'm not getting what you're asking, but I'm not really smart either... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By stoner01: Originally Posted By rb889: Does anyone have any opinions on velcro front placards, for securing the cummerbund to the front for quick and easy don/doff/adjust? Seems to me this would be more convenient than tubes for rapidly adjusting, and I'm kinda surprised it's not a common thing. I've only found a few factory options, HRT Modulus, Def. Mechanisms molle kangaroo, and one from midwest armor. Would like to try out a 4-mag one as well, see if that works better with radio wings due to the dead space that arrangement creates. Leaning towards something that'll take a Lunar Concepts insert, though I'm getting rather annoyed that none of the manufacturers bother mentioning the orientation of the interior velcro, whether it be loop/loop or hook/loop. I'm also curious about seeing if 3 single, or 2 dual inserts will conform to the plate a bit better than the more rigid tricert/qucert. I'm afraid I'm not getting what you're asking, but I'm not really smart either... I'm looking for opinions from folks that have tried running their cummerbunds on the front of placards covered in loop velcro, Trex has a kywi placard with this setup. Trex link I wanted to see if anyone else has tried it and found glaring problems with that setup before I drop $120 on a modulus and lunar tricert, since I'm not as big a fan of kywis. I haven't yet found a modular 4-mag placard covered in loop, either, so I was hoping someone else knew of one. |
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Originally Posted By rb889: I'm looking for opinions from folks that have tried running their cummerbunds on the front of placards covered in loop velcro, Trex has a kywi placard with this setup. Trex link I wanted to see if anyone else has tried it and found glaring problems with that setup before I drop $120 on a modulus and lunar tricert, since I'm not as big a fan of kywis. I haven't yet found a modular 4-mag placard covered in loop, either, so I was hoping someone else knew of one. View Quote Tracking. I've done it a few times. I prefer to do it with my beez/ ferro combo when with actual placards just because of size and stretching. But for a fast on solution... absolutely would. |
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Originally Posted By rb889: Does anyone have any opinions on velcro front placards, for securing the cummerbund to the front for quick and easy don/doff/adjust? Seems to me this would be more convenient than tubes for rapidly adjusting, and I'm kinda surprised it's not a common thing. I've only found a few factory options, HRT Modulus, Def. Mechanisms molle kangaroo, and one from midwest armor. Would like to try out a 4-mag one as well, see if that works better with radio wings due to the dead space that arrangement creates. Leaning towards something that'll take a Lunar Concepts insert, though I'm getting rather annoyed that none of the manufacturers bother mentioning the orientation of the interior velcro, whether it be loop/loop or hook/loop. I'm also curious about seeing if 3 single, or 2 dual inserts will conform to the plate a bit better than the more rigid tricert/qucert. View Quote How much adjusting do you need to do? Personally, I can't imagine not having tubes. The attachment by way of shockcord to the back panel gives me plenty of flexibility. |
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Originally Posted By NemesisMind: How much adjusting do you need to do? Personally, I can't imagine not having tubes. The attachment by way of shockcord to the back panel gives me plenty of flexibility. View Quote Not a necessity, just a belated lightbulb idea when a coworker asked me about an instructor belt vs a cobra belt. It’s not about having a greater range of adjustment, (The LC Tomahawk cummerbund is phenomenal in that regard already) but having a quick-adjust when adding/removing layers while also being QD/QA like tubes. This also sizes itself perfectly every time you put it on. After wearing a Ciguera for the past six months, I’d forgotten how nice an instructor belt is for daily wear, and I figure the same benefits probably applied to plate carriers as well. Pretty sure I didn’t think of it before out of concern for wearing out the velcro, but in this instance, it’s the cummerbund and placard that get worn, not the front of the PC. And of course, I get 5 years out of an instructor belt, I don’t see a PC getting worn out anytime sooner than that. ETA: This is also cheaper than tubes, and removes a failure point from the system. |
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Originally Posted By rb889: Not a necessity, just a belated lightbulb idea when a coworker asked me about an instructor belt vs a cobra belt. It’s not about having a greater range of adjustment, (The LC Tomahawk cummerbund is phenomenal in that regard already) but having a quick-adjust when adding/removing layers while also being QD/QA like tubes. This also sizes itself perfectly every time you put it on. After wearing a Ciguera for the past six months, I’d forgotten how nice an instructor belt is for daily wear, and I figure the same benefits probably applied to plate carriers as well. Pretty sure I didn’t think of it before out of concern for wearing out the velcro, but in this instance, it’s the cummerbund and placard that get worn, not the front of the PC. And of course, I get 5 years out of an instructor belt, I don’t see a PC getting worn out anytime sooner than that. ETA: This is also cheaper than tubes, and removes a failure point from the system. View Quote Thanks for the detailed explanation. I always appreciate another perspective, and hopefully this helps others. |
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Originally Posted By rb889: I'm looking for opinions from folks that have tried running their cummerbunds on the front of placards covered in loop velcro, Trex has a kywi placard with this setup. Trex link I wanted to see if anyone else has tried it and found glaring problems with that setup before I drop $120 on a modulus and lunar tricert, since I'm not as big a fan of kywis. I haven't yet found a modular 4-mag placard covered in loop, either, so I was hoping someone else knew of one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By rb889: Originally Posted By stoner01: Originally Posted By rb889: Does anyone have any opinions on velcro front placards, for securing the cummerbund to the front for quick and easy don/doff/adjust? Seems to me this would be more convenient than tubes for rapidly adjusting, and I'm kinda surprised it's not a common thing. I've only found a few factory options, HRT Modulus, Def. Mechanisms molle kangaroo, and one from midwest armor. Would like to try out a 4-mag one as well, see if that works better with radio wings due to the dead space that arrangement creates. Leaning towards something that'll take a Lunar Concepts insert, though I'm getting rather annoyed that none of the manufacturers bother mentioning the orientation of the interior velcro, whether it be loop/loop or hook/loop. I'm also curious about seeing if 3 single, or 2 dual inserts will conform to the plate a bit better than the more rigid tricert/qucert. I'm afraid I'm not getting what you're asking, but I'm not really smart either... I'm looking for opinions from folks that have tried running their cummerbunds on the front of placards covered in loop velcro, Trex has a kywi placard with this setup. Trex link I wanted to see if anyone else has tried it and found glaring problems with that setup before I drop $120 on a modulus and lunar tricert, since I'm not as big a fan of kywis. I haven't yet found a modular 4-mag placard covered in loop, either, so I was hoping someone else knew of one. |
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Originally Posted By 96Ag: Ferro has a 3 mag shingle but it's elastic so re-inserting is tough/impossible. I think their thinking is that you can slap it on the Slickster when you're very low profile without having to hook anything up. Pull the velcro cummerbund off slap on the mag carrier, pull the velcro over it and go. View Quote Saw that, pretty neat for a way to plus up. I’ve got a few other options I’m looking at, not least of which is modifying the kywis with a heat gun. Agilite AG3 placard/pouches are supposed to be rigid enough to re-index mags without issue, and the sleds have pretty good reviews. I’ve spent a bit more time playing with the LC tomahawk, the unpadded shoulder straps are alright with a basic load, but the moment you add anything on top or to the back, (Backpack, hydro panel, etc) it begins cutting into your shoulders pretty noticeably. It plays quite well with the DZ rig, only adjustment you need to make is to the sternum strap. I hope it still fits together this well after adding a set of qore shoulder pads. I’ve found that I’m much more inclined to leave the PC pretty slick and carry my gear in the belt kit, it’s startlingly comfortable when doing dumb shit, though I’ll probably keep a placard in my pack to plus up as necessary. |
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Originally Posted By rb889: Saw that, pretty neat for a way to plus up. I've got a few other options I'm looking at, not least of which is modifying the kywis with a heat gun. Agilite AG3 placard/pouches are supposed to be rigid enough to re-index mags without issue, and the sleds have pretty good reviews. I've spent a bit more time playing with the LC tomahawk, the unpadded shoulder straps are alright with a basic load, but the moment you add anything on top or to the back, (Backpack, hydro panel, etc) it begins cutting into your shoulders pretty noticeably. It plays quite well with the DZ rig, only adjustment you need to make is to the sternum strap. I hope it still fits together this well after adding a set of qore shoulder pads. I've found that I'm much more inclined to leave the PC pretty slick and carry my gear in the belt kit, it's startlingly comfortable when doing dumb shit, though I'll probably keep a placard in my pack to plus up as necessary. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By rb889: Originally Posted By 96Ag: Ferro has a 3 mag shingle but it's elastic so re-inserting is tough/impossible. I think their thinking is that you can slap it on the Slickster when you're very low profile without having to hook anything up. Pull the velcro cummerbund off slap on the mag carrier, pull the velcro over it and go. Saw that, pretty neat for a way to plus up. I've got a few other options I'm looking at, not least of which is modifying the kywis with a heat gun. Agilite AG3 placard/pouches are supposed to be rigid enough to re-index mags without issue, and the sleds have pretty good reviews. I've spent a bit more time playing with the LC tomahawk, the unpadded shoulder straps are alright with a basic load, but the moment you add anything on top or to the back, (Backpack, hydro panel, etc) it begins cutting into your shoulders pretty noticeably. It plays quite well with the DZ rig, only adjustment you need to make is to the sternum strap. I hope it still fits together this well after adding a set of qore shoulder pads. I've found that I'm much more inclined to leave the PC pretty slick and carry my gear in the belt kit, it's startlingly comfortable when doing dumb shit, though I'll probably keep a placard in my pack to plus up as necessary. |
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What plate carrier is that, and is it modular enough to run without a back panel? I’m looking for a soft panel carrier that doesn’t have side plates that I can incorporate into a SOE micro-chest rig with an h-harness. I’m trying to put together a light setup as part of an active shooter response kit for work. It will be ammo light, just carrying one spare rifle mag and two spare pistol mags. Everything else will be some chest seals, bandages and tourniquets and couple small components like some 550 cord and an extra light. The whole idea is something I can throw on quick and be on the move fast and maintain a low profile with. |
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Originally Posted By Camaroman: @sparky-kb What plate carrier is that, and is it modular enough to run without a back panel? I’m looking for a soft panel carrier that doesn’t have side plates that I can incorporate into a SOE micro-chest rig with an h-harness. I’m trying to put together a light setup as part of an active shooter response kit for work. It will be ammo light, just carrying one spare rifle mag and two spare pistol mags. Everything else will be some chest seals, bandages and tourniquets and couple small components like some 550 cord and an extra light. The whole idea is something I can throw on quick and be on the move fast and maintain a low profile with. View Quote It's a Spiritus Systems LV119 with covert rear plate bag meaning it has no zippers or provisions for attaching back panels. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by running it without a back panel or how it would play with a SOE micro rig and H-harness. If you're talking using it with no zip on back panel, then yes. If you mean making it into a Rhodesian Rig of sorts with armor in front only and no rear plate bag, then probably not. |
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I’m talking about running just a minimalist front panel with soft armor and none on the sides or rear., along with a micro rig with an h-harness.
So essentially the later of the two you described. |
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Originally Posted By Camaroman: I’m talking about running just a minimalist front panel with soft armor and none on the sides or rear., along with a micro rig with an h-harness. So essentially the later of the two you described. View Quote Think I’ve seen a surplus chest rig/tactical apron that does what you’re talking about… Hang on. Here it is, Rhodesian chest rig Not surplus, it’s newly manufactured as a reproduction of an older rig. Think you could find an older surplus one if you look hard enough. I wouldn’t call it minimalist, but it’ll hold whatever you want, and you can leave it mostly slick to keep it low profile. Not sure how comfortable it would be with a rifle plate, but a soft armor panel probably wouldn’t be too bad. |
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Originally Posted By Camaroman: I’m talking about running just a minimalist front panel with soft armor and none on the sides or rear., along with a micro rig with an h-harness. So essentially the later of the two you described. View Quote US palm used to make something like that called the "Desert Tracker" plate carrier, basically an older style of plate carrier but instead of a rear plate bag it has an H harness. If you don't mind me asking why do you want just a single soft armor panel with a chest rig? I cant imagine that putting on two H harnesses, two waist straps, etc. would be faster or lower profile than appropriately set up armor. Plate carriers and plates can get pretty dang minimal now, this is a pretty basic one I put together a few years ago and I imagine it can be improved upon and optimized by those more experienced and knowledgeable than I. first spear slick Hesco m210 plates phokus IFAK behind front plate 2x rifle mags 1x pistol mag handheld light cat tq weighs like 13-14lbs if I remember correctly as shown, if you take the mag shingle off its like 10-11lbs slick I believe, it stows under a seat or in a bag with or without the shingle, slim enough to still allow me to draw pistol from AIWB, can be thrown on while seated, can be deployed one handed if needed, and once its on it only requires you to close the one open side of the cummerbund to be ready. I have posted this pic before, apologies. ![]() |
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Originally Posted By Forlorn-Hope: US palm used to make something like that called the "Desert Tracker" plate carrier, basically an older style of plate carrier but instead of a rear plate bag it has an H harness. If you don't mind me asking why do you want just a single soft armor panel with a chest rig? I cant imagine that putting on two H harnesses, two waist straps, etc. would be faster or lower profile than appropriately set up armor. Plate carriers and plates can get pretty dang minimal now, this is a pretty basic one I put together a few years ago and I imagine it can be improved upon and optimized by those more experienced and knowledgeable than I. first spear slick Hesco m210 plates phokus IFAK behind front plate 2x rifle mags 1x pistol mag handheld light cat tq weighs like 13-14lbs if I remember correctly as shown, if you take the mag shingle off its like 10-11lbs slick I believe, it stows under a seat or in a bag with or without the shingle, slim enough to still allow me to draw pistol from AIWB, can be thrown on while seated, can be deployed one handed if needed, and once its on it only requires you to close the one open side of the cummerbund to be ready. I have posted this pic before, apologies. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/369083/slick_jpg-3244167.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Forlorn-Hope: Originally Posted By Camaroman: I’m talking about running just a minimalist front panel with soft armor and none on the sides or rear., along with a micro rig with an h-harness. So essentially the later of the two you described. US palm used to make something like that called the "Desert Tracker" plate carrier, basically an older style of plate carrier but instead of a rear plate bag it has an H harness. If you don't mind me asking why do you want just a single soft armor panel with a chest rig? I cant imagine that putting on two H harnesses, two waist straps, etc. would be faster or lower profile than appropriately set up armor. Plate carriers and plates can get pretty dang minimal now, this is a pretty basic one I put together a few years ago and I imagine it can be improved upon and optimized by those more experienced and knowledgeable than I. first spear slick Hesco m210 plates phokus IFAK behind front plate 2x rifle mags 1x pistol mag handheld light cat tq weighs like 13-14lbs if I remember correctly as shown, if you take the mag shingle off its like 10-11lbs slick I believe, it stows under a seat or in a bag with or without the shingle, slim enough to still allow me to draw pistol from AIWB, can be thrown on while seated, can be deployed one handed if needed, and once its on it only requires you to close the one open side of the cummerbund to be ready. I have posted this pic before, apologies. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/369083/slick_jpg-3244167.JPG I’m wanting to put together something as part of an active shooter response kit. My agency issues rifle rated plate carriers, but the issue is the size and weight. An active shooter response is to move to the threat as quickly as possible. Some of our schools are pretty large and a full on plate carrier with gear is going to slow me down and wear most folks out faster than they realize, me included. While I understand the potential for ambush scenarios and the dangers of clearing rooms and working angles, the goal of an active shooter response is to move to the threat quickly. The Haley rig I’ve used in the past worked well with an h-harness and was quick to deploy and only needed the two side straps cinched down to be secure. |
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Originally Posted By rb889: Think I’ve seen a surplus chest rig/tactical apron that does what you’re talking about… Hang on. Here it is, Rhodesian chest rig Not surplus, it’s newly manufactured as a reproduction of an older rig. Think you could find an older surplus one if you look hard enough. I wouldn’t call it minimalist, but it’ll hold whatever you want, and you can leave it mostly slick to keep it low profile. Not sure how comfortable it would be with a rifle plate, but a soft armor panel probably wouldn’t be too bad. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By rb889: Originally Posted By Camaroman: I’m talking about running just a minimalist front panel with soft armor and none on the sides or rear., along with a micro rig with an h-harness. So essentially the later of the two you described. Think I’ve seen a surplus chest rig/tactical apron that does what you’re talking about… Hang on. Here it is, Rhodesian chest rig Not surplus, it’s newly manufactured as a reproduction of an older rig. Think you could find an older surplus one if you look hard enough. I wouldn’t call it minimalist, but it’ll hold whatever you want, and you can leave it mostly slick to keep it low profile. Not sure how comfortable it would be with a rifle plate, but a soft armor panel probably wouldn’t be too bad. That’s almost exactly what I had in mind. The only thing I would like to be different is for the carrier front to be the size of the soft armor plate (8x10 or 10x12) instead of the wrap around sides. |
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Originally Posted By Camaroman: That’s almost exactly what I had in mind. The only thing I would like to be different is for the carrier front to be the size of the soft armor plate (8x10 or 10x12) instead of the wrap around sides. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Camaroman: Originally Posted By rb889: Originally Posted By Camaroman: I’m talking about running just a minimalist front panel with soft armor and none on the sides or rear., along with a micro rig with an h-harness. So essentially the later of the two you described. Think I’ve seen a surplus chest rig/tactical apron that does what you’re talking about… Hang on. Here it is, Rhodesian chest rig Not surplus, it’s newly manufactured as a reproduction of an older rig. Think you could find an older surplus one if you look hard enough. I wouldn’t call it minimalist, but it’ll hold whatever you want, and you can leave it mostly slick to keep it low profile. Not sure how comfortable it would be with a rifle plate, but a soft armor panel probably wouldn’t be too bad. That’s almost exactly what I had in mind. The only thing I would like to be different is for the carrier front to be the size of the soft armor plate (8x10 or 10x12) instead of the wrap around sides. https://tracer-tactical.com/products/rpb-rig-plate-bag-front-pre-order Maybe that add on plate bag will work with your existing micro rig? |
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Originally Posted By sparky-kb: https://tracer-tactical.com/products/rpb-rig-plate-bag-front-pre-order Maybe that add on plate bag will work with your existing micro rig? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sparky-kb: Originally Posted By Camaroman: Originally Posted By rb889: Originally Posted By Camaroman: I’m talking about running just a minimalist front panel with soft armor and none on the sides or rear., along with a micro rig with an h-harness. So essentially the later of the two you described. Think I’ve seen a surplus chest rig/tactical apron that does what you’re talking about… Hang on. Here it is, Rhodesian chest rig Not surplus, it’s newly manufactured as a reproduction of an older rig. Think you could find an older surplus one if you look hard enough. I wouldn’t call it minimalist, but it’ll hold whatever you want, and you can leave it mostly slick to keep it low profile. Not sure how comfortable it would be with a rifle plate, but a soft armor panel probably wouldn’t be too bad. That’s almost exactly what I had in mind. The only thing I would like to be different is for the carrier front to be the size of the soft armor plate (8x10 or 10x12) instead of the wrap around sides. https://tracer-tactical.com/products/rpb-rig-plate-bag-front-pre-order Maybe that add on plate bag will work with your existing micro rig? This is absolutely what I was looking for. I thought I had seen something like that and could not think of what it was called. Thank you! |
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Originally Posted By slappomatt: T-rex sells the esstac placard with Velcro on the front for wrapping a Velcro cummerbund around the outside to keep everything sucked in. it also has tabs to attach tubes if you go that route. if you don't want either of those methods than its hard to beat the simplicity of the regular esstac placard. I have the tall and the midlength. I kinda prefer the tall but both work great. ETA good point about the Trex and tubes I didnt think about that. View Quote Do you know if the regular esstac placecard would work with the Agilite K-Zero carrier ? |
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Originally Posted By Advance: ...or get Esstac to make you a placard with included mounting slots for 1st Spear Tubes. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/PXL_20221201_161033093_jpg-2619991.JPG I think this should be one of their standard offerings. If you remove the front flap on many traditional plate carriers and then run a placard with included Tubes attachment points, you can effectively remove ~8 layers of material from the front of your plate carrier. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/PXL_20210822_150739108_jpg-2619997.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/2022-12-01_11-18-37_png-2619998.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Advance: Originally Posted By slappomatt: T-rex sells the esstac placard with Velcro on the front for wrapping a Velcro cummerbund around the outside to keep everything sucked in. it also has tabs to attach tubes if you go that route. if you don't want either of those methods than its hard to beat the simplicity of the regular esstac placard. I have the tall and the midlength. I kinda prefer the tall but both work great. ...or get Esstac to make you a placard with included mounting slots for 1st Spear Tubes. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/PXL_20221201_161033093_jpg-2619991.JPG I think this should be one of their standard offerings. If you remove the front flap on many traditional plate carriers and then run a placard with included Tubes attachment points, you can effectively remove ~8 layers of material from the front of your plate carrier. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/PXL_20210822_150739108_jpg-2619997.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/2022-12-01_11-18-37_png-2619998.JPG Do you know if Esstac started making those? Didn't see them on the site but may have overlooked them. |
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Originally Posted By Inimicalone: Here's my new carrier, the k-zero from agilite. I just got it today and am still working on getting it setup correctly. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/228016/20230324_152012-2757383.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/228016/20230324_161959-2757459.jpg So far I like it and the design is very well thought out. View Quote How are you liking the K-Zero ? I'm looking to get another set up and was leaning on the JPC at first. Now after seeing some youtube vids on this one I'm thinking it may be a better option. The only thing I'm not sure about is wether or not I could use the Esstac 3 mag kiwi's on it. I'm not a fan of the elastic retention for mag holders. |
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Well disregard all my questions.
After looking at a Third line defense video that I guess I missed while researching carriers I just ordered the Agilite K19 carrier that's on sale at Botach. I saw I guess the first video T.L.D. put out on the K19 I didn't like the bulky quick release buckles on the shoulders so I had decided to go with the K-Zero. Since seeing T.L.D.'s updated video on the K19 3.0 he demonstrated that on the updated 3.0 the QR shoulder buckles can be removed and replaced with I guess it's called a slide. Plus on the K19 it has molle where I can use the Esstac kiwi which I like. Esstac if you see this then disregard the email I sent about a velcro backed kiwi shingle. I'll just order another molle backed one. |
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I think I might move my tq in between my magazine and the cumberbun instead of between the magazine and the plate.
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I received my Agilite K19 plate carrier Friday.
I'm wanting to put an Esstac 4 mag shingle kiwi on it. The K19 has 5 row's of molle down and 6 across. The same as my LBX carrier that I have the Esstac 3 shingle on. Will a 4 mag shingle fit on the Agilite ? |
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Originally Posted By 1fromtx: I received my Agilite K19 plate carrier Friday. I'm wanting to put an Esstac 4 mag shingle kiwi on it. The K19 has 5 row's of molle down and 6 across. The same as my LBX carrier that I have the Esstac 3 shingle on. Will a 4 mag shingle fit on the Agilite ? View Quote If you figure out a setup for it let me know. I am rocking a 3 still. |
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Originally Posted By RedFox1911: If you figure out a setup for it let me know. I am rocking a 3 still. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RedFox1911: Originally Posted By 1fromtx: I received my Agilite K19 plate carrier Friday. I'm wanting to put an Esstac 4 mag shingle kiwi on it. The K19 has 5 row's of molle down and 6 across. The same as my LBX carrier that I have the Esstac 3 shingle on. Will a 4 mag shingle fit on the Agilite ? If you figure out a setup for it let me know. I am rocking a 3 still. Well I was still just hearing cricket's here again so I emailed esstac. They said a 4 mag shingle would work good for the K19 do to lack of needed molle row's. 8 I believe. So I'll just order another 3 mag and work out an extra mag pouch somewhere. Maybe |
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