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Posted: 9/9/2017 11:12:15 AM EST
[#1]
Good to finally see a couple of trusts coming back.
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Posted: 9/9/2017 5:08:25 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grimhollow:
I think those with trusts are being punished for the convenience that a trust used to bring. When I die there will be no paperwork, my wife will just hand my suppressors out with the form 4s out to my boys. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/9/2017 8:53:27 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kanewtervalve:
Government worker confused? Get the f**k outta here! Anyone who thinks the gov should be in charge of anything should be shown this. Well there are tons of examples but this is a great one. |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 9:01:58 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FREEFALLE7:
Maybe, but I like if my son wants to use it I can just hand it to him and say have a good time. When I die there will be no paperwork, my wife will just hand my suppressors out with the form 4s out to my boys. |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 7:17:59 PM EST
[#5]
Just hit my first milestone...
My F1 (Trust) was mailed out 1 year ago today. 
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2017 12:42:45 AM EST
[#6]
Seems like form 4 waits are being approved anywhere from 7-12 months on average right now. That's a big window, I wonder why?
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2017 12:46:08 AM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grimhollow:
Oh, I agree. Waiting on two trust submissions right now. I have three boys, and set up my trust for the same reasons. I do have one SBR as an individual, though, my first NFA item. I need to transfer it over sometime, I guess. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2017 10:45:53 AM EST
[#8]
Yesterday was 1 year since they received my Form 1 trust so to celebrate I called just to check.
The gentleman I spoke to seemed surprised it's been over a year and was still pending. He said it should come back "in a couple of weeks." We'll see |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2017 3:05:44 PM EST
[#9]
Also coming up on a year wait for a Form 1 (trust). I figured that deserves a phone call to check and make sure they at least have the form. Stated they have it and are currently working July/August for trusts.
The wait continues 
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Posted: 9/13/2017 3:21:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: grimhollow]
[#10]
 Attached FileI'm right at a year, too, and today I had four missed calls from Martinsburg, WV. They didn't leave a message, so I don't know what that's about. When I call the number back, it's busy, which seems to be a common thing. |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 3:24:43 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nanashi:
He old are your son's. I thought I read when I die my son's will have the authority to take over my stash because they are on my trust. However, they are supposed to open their own trust and transfer the items to it? |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 6:55:46 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grimhollow:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/198606/image-306722.JPGI'm right at a year, too, and today I had four missed calls from Martinsburg, WV. They didn't leave a message, so I don't know what that's about. When I call the number back, it's busy, which seems to be a common thing. 
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Posted: 9/13/2017 7:21:55 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
They did that to me about 3-4 weeks ago. Called at 9:00 AM Central and didn't leave a message but it came from NFA branch. I called back and they had no idea who called. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2017 7:54:52 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By moose-hunter:
Just hit my first milestone... My F1 (Trust) was mailed out 1 year ago today. |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 8:02:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: moose-hunter]
[#15]
NVRMND... Found your timeline in the "post" thread...
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Posted: 9/14/2017 2:44:35 AM EST
[#16]
I've been waiting over a year for a form 1 and 4 to be approved. Is there one person processing all these applications.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2017 1:55:57 PM EST
[#17]
Any news on Form 4 trust submissions? Loads of individual approvals, and some Form 1 trust approvals. Haven't seen anything about Form 4 approvals though
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ID, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2017 1:58:38 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By david05111:
Any news on Form 4 trust submissions? Loads of individual approvals, and some Form 1 trust approvals. Haven't seen anything about Form 4 approvals though |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2017 3:14:11 PM EST
[#19]
Ya its pretty crazy how there have hardly been ANY trust posts lately, or if so, they've only been 1 person...I don't get the system in place but there needs to be some process improvements for sure.
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Posted: 9/14/2017 4:10:32 PM EST
[#20]
Well, I know they are at least working on one trust submission right now. I have to call them tomorrow with some information for one of my forms, I'm not sure what that may be.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/15/2017 8:27:44 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grimhollow:
Well, I know they are at least working on one trust submission right now. I have to call them tomorrow with some information for one of my forms, I'm not sure what that may be. |
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Posted: 9/15/2017 10:48:12 AM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dragpo:
Keep us posted! |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 9/15/2017 2:20:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: joe_sun]
[#23]
Update for my form 1 trust mailed in Sept 2016.
I received a letter today returning the application because ATF said I didn't include all the responsible person information, but I had. I called and had to leave a VM message. The attorney that drafted the trust filed an amendment that removed everyone but myself from the trust. It worked just fine for my form 4 I got back last month but this one it didn't. Hopefully he just missed the form. As a bonus I gave the serial of my other form 1 I'm waiting on and I asked to check it as it's the exact same situation. Honestly probably never doing a trust again. Only reason I did was that I already had one and didn't think it would be a big deal. |
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Posted: 9/15/2017 9:19:18 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joe_sun:
Update for my form 1 trust mailed in Sept 2016. I received a letter today returning the application because ATF said I didn't include all the responsible person information, but I had. I called and had to leave a VM message. The attorney that drafted the trust filed an amendment that removed everyone but myself from the trust. It worked just fine for my form 4 I got back last month but this one it didn't. Hopefully he just missed the form. As a bonus I gave the serial of my other form 1 I'm waiting on and I asked to check it as it's the exact same situation. Honestly probably never doing a trust again. Only reason I did was that I already had one and didn't think it would be a big deal. 
I called the research assistant and explained the situation. Her response was "we normally don't look at the amendments because it's usually just adding or deleting trustees". Doh! (This was before 41F, so trustees really wouldn't have mattered). The solution was to put the documents right back in the envelope and send them back with no changes. Wasn't the only time they made that mistake. I actually had two EForms disapproved (no error letters) for the same reason. I argued my case with Ted and Kimberly through email (on a Sunday as a matter of fact) and they reversed their decision and approved them the next day without me refiling or paying again. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 9/15/2017 9:38:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: joe_sun]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
It's amazing what the ATF misses. For example, I had a couple Form 1s I sent in on a trust approved. Then the next two forms, with the exact same trust, were sent back with an error letter claiming the trust name didn't match the forms. So, I had an amendment written to clarify the trust name. I put the Amendment on the top of the actual trust document. Then I put a yellow sticky on the first page of the Amendment, where they couldn't miss it. Here's a B&W copy of what it looked like. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/126679/IMG_0042_JPG-308671.jpg I called the research assistant and explained the situation. Her response was "we normally don't look at the amendments because it's usually just adding or deleting trustees". Doh! (This was before 41F, so trustees really wouldn't have mattered). The solution was to put the documents right back in the envelope and send them back with no changes. Wasn't the only time they made that mistake. I actually had two EForms disapproved (no error letters) for the same reason. I argued my case with Ted and Kimberly through email (on a Sunday as a matter of fact) and they reversed their decision and approved them the next day without me refiling or paying again. About 3 hours went by and he never called me back, will they usually call or should I call again on Monday? |
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Posted: 9/16/2017 12:45:01 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
It's amazing what the ATF misses. For example, I had a couple Form 1s I sent in on a trust approved. Then the next two forms, with the exact same trust, were sent back with an error letter claiming the trust name didn't match the forms. So, I had an amendment written to clarify the trust name. I put the Amendment on the top of the actual trust document. Then I put a yellow sticky on the first page of the Amendment, where they couldn't miss it. Here's a B&W copy of what it looked like. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/126679/IMG_0042_JPG-308671.jpg I called the research assistant and explained the situation. Her response was "we normally don't look at the amendments because it's usually just adding or deleting trustees". Doh! (This was before 41F, so trustees really wouldn't have mattered). The solution was to put the documents right back in the envelope and send them back with no changes. Wasn't the only time they made that mistake. I actually had two EForms disapproved (no error letters) for the same reason. I argued my case with Ted and Kimberly through email (on a Sunday as a matter of fact) and they reversed their decision and approved them the next day without me refiling or paying again. |
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Posted: 9/16/2017 12:56:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: BigWaylon]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joe_sun:
About 3 hours went by and he never called me back, will they usually call or should I call again on Monday? Does the letter have an email address for direct contact? I know I ended up emailing back and forth with the research assistant, but can't remember how I ended up with her address. ETA: email address was on the error letter I received |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 9/16/2017 1:24:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: joe_sun]
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
I'd absolutely call back. If you got an error letter, there's only 30 days to make the corrections in order to keep your place in line. Does the letter have an email address for direct contact? I know I ended up emailing back and forth with the research assistant, but can't remember how I ended up with her address. ETA: email address was on the error letter I received |
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Posted: 9/16/2017 1:35:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: moose-hunter]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By moose-hunter:
Just hit my first milestone... My F1 (Trust) was mailed out 1 year ago today. 1 year ago today, my check was cashed...
On a side note... The NFA Tracker "form 1 trust" transfer chart looks dismal to say the least... |
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Posted: 9/17/2017 5:47:00 PM EST
[#30]
And THAT, boys and girls, is why I will stick to Individuals when submitting NFA.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:26:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: moose-hunter]
[#31]
As posted in the "Post 41F" tread by rdennis...
Form 1 Trust mailed 9/10/16 Pending 9/26/16 Approved 9/7/17 Received in mailbox 9/16/17 Fact or fiction? (please oh please oh please let it be true seeing my 9-12-16 submission... please oh please...)
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Posted: 9/20/2017 8:45:46 AM EST
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Posted: 9/20/2017 12:16:01 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ipsilateral_7:
I'm in exact same boat. Form 3 start 7/7 approved end of oct, did SS kiosk and took ~a month to get email from them for documents and then a few weeks for pending status. So I'm sitting on a pending date of 12/21/16. I've got 2 form 1s I want to submit but not sure if I want the wait just yet. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2017 12:46:14 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By abnt89:
I posted in the form 1 thread but figured I'd do it here too since you're on the topic. Form 1 SBR - Trust Submitted 7/30/16 Approved 8/24/17 Got it in the mail yesterday, a total of 405 days. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 8:25:42 PM EST
[#35]
Anyone in Texas getting any individual form 1s approved in the Jan-Mar 2017 time frame? Seeing lots of approvals(even some from April) in that area but mine is still pending. Starting to wonder if the examiner per state stuff is happening again.
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ID, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2017 10:22:19 AM EST
[#36]
Even thou there was nothing wrong with my paperwork, the ATF examiner made me submit the paperwork to "Correct it" which was just sending in a copy of what I had already sent in. He confirmed he received it on Monday and that it was acceptable. I thought the process would be pretty quick after that but I just called and it's still pending.
How long does it take to approve after a correction has been submitted? |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2017 10:58:04 AM EST
[#37]
what is your pending date, etc?
I've seen 2 weeks but also could be just the "pre-review" stuff |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2017 12:25:20 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dragpo:
what is your pending date, etc? I've seen 2 weeks but also could be just the "pre-review" stuff Pending 9/12/16 Correction letter sent 9/6/2017 I received the letter on 9/15/17 and called the examiner that day leaving a VM explaining their error. I don't receive a call back. 9/18/17 early morning I call back and speak to the examiner. I'm told to send in the trust amendment even thou it's in the original paperwork. I email the form to the examiner asking to confirm receipt. 9/19/17 no reply to email so I send another email. Later in the afternoon I receive a reply saying the paperwork was received on 9/18/17 and it is acceptable. |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 12:26:45 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chota:
Anyone in Texas getting any individual form 1s approved in the Jan-Mar 2017 time frame? Seeing lots of approvals(even some from April) in that area but mine is still pending. Starting to wonder if the examiner per state stuff is happening again. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2017 12:42:06 PM EST
[#40]
The handful of posts just on this page alone explain exactly why trusts are screwed now. Before it was as easy as just giving a quick look to make sure everything was signed on the trust and that it matched the form. Now they're having to actually dig into the language to verify who all is a responsible person and then follow up with people when it's not clear to them. Then add on the multiple background checks and the processing time for a trust post 41F is now increased by magnitudes. Wouldn't surprise me if they made an internal decision to focus most of their resources on the individual forms to make sure they don't fall behind even further and only have one or two more knowledgeable people doing trusts until who knows when. Kicking myself hard for doing a trust now, especially since it's just me on it at the moment.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2017 1:17:07 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joe_sun:
Form 1 Trust mailed 9/8/2016 Pending 9/12/16 Correction letter sent 9/6/2017 I received the letter on 9/15/17 and called the examiner that day leaving a VM explaining their error. I don't receive a call back. 9/18/17 early morning I call back and speak to the examiner. I'm told to send in the trust amendment even thou it's in the original paperwork. I email the form to the examiner asking to confirm receipt. 9/19/17 no reply to email so I send another email. Later in the afternoon I receive a reply saying the paperwork was received on 9/18/17 and it is acceptable. |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 6:29:43 PM EST
[#42]
I just got THE call from my Class III. I'll be picking it up tomorrow afternoon after work.     
That made it 264 days Total. It also means that my Original estimates were Dead On. I'll fill in the finished numbers tomorrow after I read them. 
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Posted: 9/21/2017 6:37:37 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By timkel:
Do you think he/she cares how long you have to wait? https://s5.postimg.org/mljtpyupz/govies_ATFforms002.jpg Does he/she think you care that his/her bosses (ultimately us) won't hire enough people to get the job done on time? I have no complaints. But the wait does suck for now. They're working on it. It will get better. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/21/2017 7:21:45 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Unkydon:
They're working on it. It will get better. No. |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 8:18:20 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith:
I just got THE call from my Class III. I'll be picking it up tomorrow afternoon after work. That made it 264 days Total. It also means that my Original estimates were Dead On. I'll fill in the finished numbers tomorrow after I read them.
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Posted: 9/21/2017 8:23:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nada-Nada:
Lol. No. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nada-Nada:
Originally Posted By Unkydon:
They're working on it. It will get better. No. |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 8:27:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: CrawdadsRevenge]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith:
I just got THE call from my Class III. (snip  )
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USA
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Posted: 9/21/2017 8:40:39 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryYea, read the thread. See my posts in that same thread.
NFA wait times go up and down. I had a form 1 SBR approved in just a few months years back. Now we're back to more than a year. The 2A community is deluding themselves if they think the Anti-Gun ATF has any intention of keeping wait times for NFA down to a reasonable level for any length of time. They have to play the game, come off as reasonable people, especially in the political atmosphere, make largely meaningless overtures, then any slight improvements end up walking back and becoming even worse over time. The ATF could approve these in less than a day if they actually cared to so do. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2017 10:30:11 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Do us all a HUGE favor. Don't file another one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By GiggleSmith:
I just got THE call from my Class III. I'll be picking it up tomorrow afternoon after work. That made it 264 days Total. It also means that my Original estimates were Dead On. I'll fill in the finished numbers tomorrow after I read them. |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 11:35:01 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aby001:
I'll second this! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aby001:
Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By GiggleSmith:
I just got THE call from my Class III. I'll be picking it up tomorrow afternoon after work. That made it 264 days Total. It also means that my Original estimates were Dead On. I'll fill in the finished numbers tomorrow after I read them. |
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