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Originally Posted By bigbore:
No problem, the AEM5 can be ordered in .30 flavor View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigbore:
Originally Posted By SaturationTech:
While not a total deal breaker, I'd like the build to have the 12th model style break and collar. No problem, the AEM5 can be ordered in .30 flavor Perfect! I'll reach out to you next week when I'm back in town; my 6.5 Grendel Mk 12 Mod-H upper is set to be delivered from you tomorrow and I really want a can for it. I hope I can get a chance to shoot it Thursday morning before I head to the airport. |
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Originally Posted By bigbore:
No problem, the AEM5 can be ordered in .30 flavor View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigbore:
Originally Posted By SaturationTech:
While not a total deal breaker, I'd like the build to have the 12th model style break and collar. No problem, the AEM5 can be ordered in .30 flavor Perfect! Thanks for the info. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By bigbore:
AEM5 will NOT fit on a 7.5" barrel. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigbore:
Originally Posted By Izhevsk54r:
I know I asked about a gov profile barrel, but all I need is that spikes tapered gas block and I can run an AEM4 on a 7.5"? Will it also work for the aem5? AEM5 will NOT fit on a 7.5" barrel. but the aem4 is gtg? |
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Originally Posted By Izhevsk54r:
but the aem4 is gtg? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Izhevsk54r:
Originally Posted By bigbore:
Originally Posted By Izhevsk54r:
I know I asked about a gov profile barrel, but all I need is that spikes tapered gas block and I can run an AEM4 on a 7.5"? Will it also work for the aem5? AEM5 will NOT fit on a 7.5" barrel. but the aem4 is gtg? yes |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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What would the benefit be of going with a .30 AEM5 over the AE30?
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Originally Posted By dangerdan:
Muzzle brake when not using the suppressor. I don't have the specs in front of me, but probably less weight also. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By dangerdan:
Originally Posted By KavonTN:
What would the benefit be of going with a .30 AEM5 over the AE30? Muzzle brake when not using the suppressor. I don't have the specs in front of me, but probably less weight also. Add the weight of the brake,and the .30 M5 is heavier AEM5 w/brake 1lb 13oz AE30 1lb 10oz |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By Izhevsk54r:
I know I asked about a gov profile barrel, but all I need is that spikes tapered gas block and I can run an AEM4 on a 7.5"? Will it also work for the aem5? edit: and a compatible muzzle device obviously View Quote Yes for the AEM4/AEM2 but NO for the AEM5 the spacing is longer. The AEM5 does not work with any pre-made barrel SBR lengths + that gas block. You need to use a profiled barrel with collar, or the AEM5 to M4 adaptor collar on a 12.5" or larger barrel. |
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Very cool. What's the OAL of the M4-S on the 10.5" bbl? Maybe 12.5"? And how does it sound?
Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
I have some odd Ops Inc/Allen Engineering setups with mixed collars and brakes that I figure I would share. Maybe this will help some people break into these cans instead of buying QD cans over them... Here's three primary setups. From top to BA barrel profiled for an Ops Inc 12th/AEM5 with MK12 'long' collar and A1 flash hider (AEM3 spacing w/ adapter) Setup 2: 12.5" BA barrel gov profile using a Spike's Tactical LRS collar against the gov profile shelf and a Spike's Tactical Dynacomp HVS brake making AEM3 spacing Setup 3: 10.5" BA barrel gov profile using a Spike's Tactical tapered LPGB for suppressors and a Spike's Tactical Dynacomp HVS brake making AEM3 spacing View Quote |
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Originally Posted By goloud:
Very cool. What's the OAL of the M4-S on the 10.5" bbl? Maybe 12.5"? And how does it sound? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By goloud:
Very cool. What's the OAL of the M4-S on the 10.5" bbl? Maybe 12.5"? And how does it sound? Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
I have some odd Ops Inc/Allen Engineering setups with mixed collars and brakes that I figure I would share. Maybe this will help some people break into these cans instead of buying QD cans over them... Here's three primary setups. From top to BA barrel profiled for an Ops Inc 12th/AEM5 with MK12 'long' collar and A1 flash hider (AEM3 spacing w/ adapter) Setup 2: 12.5" BA barrel gov profile using a Spike's Tactical LRS collar against the gov profile shelf and a Spike's Tactical Dynacomp HVS brake making AEM3 spacing Setup 3: 10.5" BA barrel gov profile using a Spike's Tactical tapered LPGB for suppressors and a Spike's Tactical Dynacomp HVS brake making AEM3 spacing How do you want me to measure it? Barrel length, or entire rifle length? Stock collapsed if so? |
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Yeah. Sorry. I meant barrel length.
Better way to ask: how much more length over 10.5"? Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
How do you want me to measure it? Barrel length, or entire rifle length? Stock collapsed if so? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
Originally Posted By goloud:
Very cool. What's the OAL of the M4-S on the 10.5" bbl? Maybe 12.5"? And how does it sound? Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
I have some odd Ops Inc/Allen Engineering setups with mixed collars and brakes that I figure I would share. Maybe this will help some people break into these cans instead of buying QD cans over them... Here's three primary setups. From top to BA barrel profiled for an Ops Inc 12th/AEM5 with MK12 'long' collar and A1 flash hider (AEM3 spacing w/ adapter) Setup 2: 12.5" BA barrel gov profile using a Spike's Tactical LRS collar against the gov profile shelf and a Spike's Tactical Dynacomp HVS brake making AEM3 spacing Setup 3: 10.5" BA barrel gov profile using a Spike's Tactical tapered LPGB for suppressors and a Spike's Tactical Dynacomp HVS brake making AEM3 spacing How do you want me to measure it? Barrel length, or entire rifle length? Stock collapsed if so? |
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Originally Posted By goloud:
Yeah. Sorry. I meant barrel length. Better way to ask: how much more length over 10.5"? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By goloud:
Yeah. Sorry. I meant barrel length. Better way to ask: how much more length over 10.5"? Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
Originally Posted By goloud:
Very cool. What's the OAL of the M4-S on the 10.5" bbl? Maybe 12.5"? And how does it sound? Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
I have some odd Ops Inc/Allen Engineering setups with mixed collars and brakes that I figure I would share. Maybe this will help some people break into these cans instead of buying QD cans over them... Here's three primary setups. From top to BA barrel profiled for an Ops Inc 12th/AEM5 with MK12 'long' collar and A1 flash hider (AEM3 spacing w/ adapter) Setup 2: 12.5" BA barrel gov profile using a Spike's Tactical LRS collar against the gov profile shelf and a Spike's Tactical Dynacomp HVS brake making AEM3 spacing Setup 3: 10.5" BA barrel gov profile using a Spike's Tactical tapered LPGB for suppressors and a Spike's Tactical Dynacomp HVS brake making AEM3 spacing How do you want me to measure it? Barrel length, or entire rifle length? Stock collapsed if so? ~1" Here is the specs from Ops inc, but the can isn't made by Ron anymore though I'm sure he COULD make one. They were $250 when they were made for OPS: http://www.opsinc.us/suppressors/M4-S.html I got the last one from ADCO in 2013. It basically takes all of the bite off of the 5.56 round just without much suppression of sound. There is zero muzzle rise, recoil, and concussion just like a larger suppressor but with a minimal reduction in DB due to only having two baffles. |
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Help me with my math here.
Here's the setup: AEM5 or AE22 on a barrel with a A2 FSB with a bayo lug using the M4 AEM5 collar: What's the minimum barrel length? And if I decide to use the short SPR collar instead, where would the SPR step need to be? Thanks |
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Thank you. Awesome setup.
Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
~1" Here is the specs from Ops inc, but the can isn't made by Ron anymore though I'm sure he COULD make one. They were $250 when they were made for OPS: http://www.opsinc.us/suppressors/M4-S.html I got the last one from ADCO in 2013. It basically takes all of the bite off of the 5.56 round just without much suppression of sound. There is zero muzzle rise, recoil, and concussion just like a larger suppressor but with a minimal reduction in DB due to only having two baffles. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
Originally Posted By goloud:
Yeah. Sorry. I meant barrel length. Better way to ask: how much more length over 10.5"? Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
Originally Posted By goloud:
Very cool. What's the OAL of the M4-S on the 10.5" bbl? Maybe 12.5"? And how does it sound? Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
I have some odd Ops Inc/Allen Engineering setups with mixed collars and brakes that I figure I would share. Maybe this will help some people break into these cans instead of buying QD cans over them... Here's three primary setups. From top to BA barrel profiled for an Ops Inc 12th/AEM5 with MK12 'long' collar and A1 flash hider (AEM3 spacing w/ adapter) Setup 2: 12.5" BA barrel gov profile using a Spike's Tactical LRS collar against the gov profile shelf and a Spike's Tactical Dynacomp HVS brake making AEM3 spacing Setup 3: 10.5" BA barrel gov profile using a Spike's Tactical tapered LPGB for suppressors and a Spike's Tactical Dynacomp HVS brake making AEM3 spacing How do you want me to measure it? Barrel length, or entire rifle length? Stock collapsed if so? ~1" Here is the specs from Ops inc, but the can isn't made by Ron anymore though I'm sure he COULD make one. They were $250 when they were made for OPS: http://www.opsinc.us/suppressors/M4-S.html I got the last one from ADCO in 2013. It basically takes all of the bite off of the 5.56 round just without much suppression of sound. There is zero muzzle rise, recoil, and concussion just like a larger suppressor but with a minimal reduction in DB due to only having two baffles. |
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Originally Posted By JAR-SPR:
Help me with my math here. Here's the setup: AEM5 or AE22 on a barrel with a A2 FSB with a bayo lug using the M4 AEM5 collar: What's the minimum barrel length? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JAR-SPR:
Help me with my math here. Here's the setup: AEM5 or AE22 on a barrel with a A2 FSB with a bayo lug using the M4 AEM5 collar: What's the minimum barrel length? 12.5" Originally Posted By JAR-SPR:
And if I decide to use the short SPR collar instead, where would the SPR step need to be? The SPR collar is for barrels with the SPR contour. The suppressor still requires the same amount of barrel length to install. http://www.aesuppressors.com/images/sprdrawing.jpg |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By JAR-SPR: Help me with my math here. Here's the setup: AEM5 or AE22 on a barrel with a A2 FSB with a bayo lug using the M4 AEM5 collar: What's the minimum barrel length? And if I decide to use the short SPR collar instead, where would the SPR step need to be? Thanks View Quote I don't have the "short" collar, but I think they are exactly the same? One just has less material on the back. |
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Originally Posted By bigbore:
12.5" The SPR collar is for barrels with the SPR contour. The suppressor still requires the same amount of barrel length to install. http://www.aesuppressors.com/images/sprdrawing.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigbore:
Originally Posted By JAR-SPR:
Help me with my math here. Here's the setup: AEM5 or AE22 on a barrel with a A2 FSB with a bayo lug using the M4 AEM5 collar: What's the minimum barrel length? 12.5" Originally Posted By JAR-SPR:
And if I decide to use the short SPR collar instead, where would the SPR step need to be? The SPR collar is for barrels with the SPR contour. The suppressor still requires the same amount of barrel length to install. http://www.aesuppressors.com/images/sprdrawing.jpg Thanks! What's the difference between the "short" and "long" SPR collar? Now if I did have that SPR contour on a 12.5" barrel, what I'm looking for is to have the collar right up against the gas block. Would there be a difference in barrel length depending on which SPR collar is used? |
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Originally Posted By dangerdan:
I don't have the "short" collar, but I think they are exactly the same? One just has less material on the back. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By dangerdan:
Originally Posted By JAR-SPR:
Help me with my math here. Here's the setup: AEM5 or AE22 on a barrel with a A2 FSB with a bayo lug using the M4 AEM5 collar: What's the minimum barrel length? And if I decide to use the short SPR collar instead, where would the SPR step need to be? Thanks I don't have the "short" collar, but I think they are exactly the same? One just has less material on the back. It's really the material on the back that is concerning me in how it might determine my overall barrel length since I want the collar sitting right up against the gas block. And, unfortunately, I can't use the Spike's tapered gas block in this setup. |
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Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
I have some odd Ops Inc/Allen Engineering setups with mixed collars and brakes that I figure I would share. Maybe this will help some people break into these cans instead of buying QD cans over them... Here's three primary setups. From top to BA barrel profiled for an Ops Inc 12th/AEM5 with MK12 'long' collar and A1 flash hider (AEM3 spacing w/ adapter) Setup 2: 12.5" BA barrel gov profile using a Spike's Tactical LRS collar against the gov profile shelf and a Spike's Tactical Dynacomp HVS brake making AEM3 spacing Setup 3: 10.5" BA barrel gov profile using a Spike's Tactical tapered LPGB for suppressors and a Spike's Tactical Dynacomp HVS brake making AEM3 spacing View Quote Mattyvac, Can you share some info on your rail length? I have a 16" URG w/ URX 3.1 and want to know if an AEM4 will fit. As well as a 12.5" URG that I'm currently peicing together and want to run an AEM2 on. Thanks in advance. |
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Ok, new idea. Want to build a 733 SOF clone. Is the ae30 the closest in dimension to the 3rd model and does anyone know if the ballistic advantage 11.5 gov profile barrel is the correct dimensions for the collar?
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Originally Posted By Izhevsk54r:
Ok new idea. Want to build a colt 733 SOF clone. Is the ae30 the closest to the old 3rd model in terms of dimensions and does anyone know if the ballistic advantage 11.5 gov profile barrel is the correct dimensions for the collar? View Quote 11.5" barrel won't allow for an AE30 to mount properly, even if you remove the bayonet lug. You need at least 2.5" of barrel for AE30/AE22/AEM5. Original 3rd models for 5.56 actually reflex over the barrel 4". |
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Originally Posted By JAR-SPR:
11.5" barrel won't allow for an AE30 to mount properly, even if you remove the bayonet lug. You need at least 2.5" of barrel for AE30/AE22/AEM5. Original 3rd models for 5.56 actually reflex over the barrel 4". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JAR-SPR:
Originally Posted By Izhevsk54r:
Ok new idea. Want to build a colt 733 SOF clone. Is the ae30 the closest to the old 3rd model in terms of dimensions and does anyone know if the ballistic advantage 11.5 gov profile barrel is the correct dimensions for the collar? 11.5" barrel won't allow for an AE30 to mount properly, even if you remove the bayonet lug. You need at least 2.5" of barrel for AE30/AE22/AEM5. Original 3rd models for 5.56 actually reflex over the barrel 4". So 3rd model equipped rifles where actually 14.5"? |
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Is the spacer that allows use of 14th, 15th and 16th on 12th mounts just as solid?
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OK, i'm no closer to figuring this thing out. Will the collar adapter extender allow you to use any barrel regardless of contour? Alternatively, will any gov't contour barrel take the appropriate collar for the aem4 or any of the shorter cans?
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Originally Posted By Izhevsk54r:
So 3rd model equipped rifles where actually 14.5"? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Izhevsk54r:
Originally Posted By JAR-SPR:
Originally Posted By Izhevsk54r:
Ok new idea. Want to build a colt 733 SOF clone. Is the ae30 the closest to the old 3rd model in terms of dimensions and does anyone know if the ballistic advantage 11.5 gov profile barrel is the correct dimensions for the collar? 11.5" barrel won't allow for an AE30 to mount properly, even if you remove the bayonet lug. You need at least 2.5" of barrel for AE30/AE22/AEM5. Original 3rd models for 5.56 actually reflex over the barrel 4". So 3rd model equipped rifles where actually 14.5"? Yes. |
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Originally Posted By Izhevsk54r:
OK, i'm no closer to figuring this thing out. Will the collar adapter extender allow you to use any barrel regardless of contour? Alternatively, will any gov't contour barrel take the appropriate collar for the aem4 or any of the shorter cans? View Quote As far as I know, collar adapter is not for AE30/AE22/AEM5. Minimum barrel length for AE30AE22/AEM5 is 12.5" if using an A2 FSB but it will require a custom collar if you keep the bayonet lug. Gov't contour--as in the 0.7" x 0.7" step at the shouler of the muzzle? Should be able to take the any of the AEM2/AEM3/AEM4 collars with the exception of 10.5" barrels with A2 FSB's and 7.5" barrels. 11.5" barrels will likely need to have bayonet lug removed to fit AEM2/AEM3/AEM4 collars if it has the 0.7" x 0.7" steps at the shoulder of the muzzle. |
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I know I'm going round and round with the dumb questions, but i'd need this barrel and I could in theory run any of the ops inc/AE cans?
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Originally Posted By Izhevsk54r:
I know I'm going round and round with the dumb questions, but i'd need this barrel and I could in theory run any of the ops inc/AE cans? View Quote It looks to have the proper contour, but cheap barrels usually are. A proper contour is great, but if the bore is 7 thousandths off center, you're still screwed. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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My AEM5 Form 3 just cleared and should be here Friday.
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"When a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully." - Dr. Samuel Johnson
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Anyone know where to get a M4-S?
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"When a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully." - Dr. Samuel Johnson
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That thing is super long
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"When a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully." - Dr. Samuel Johnson
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Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
In my safe https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-hBmU-Q4awDY/VZ2re-Hd05I/AAAAAAAALTs/BDVNIOkRSIA/s800-Ic42/carbine_urxii_sbr_btshot.png Also an AEM3: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qjOx0AAEvEc/VZ2re82cV4I/AAAAAAAALTw/Q5D6sDTxjmc/s800-Ic42/fde_sbr_btshot.png View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
Originally Posted By Saladman:
Anyone know where to get a M4-S? In my safe https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-hBmU-Q4awDY/VZ2re-Hd05I/AAAAAAAALTs/BDVNIOkRSIA/s800-Ic42/carbine_urxii_sbr_btshot.png Also an AEM3: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qjOx0AAEvEc/VZ2re82cV4I/AAAAAAAALTw/Q5D6sDTxjmc/s800-Ic42/fde_sbr_btshot.png I'm gonna need pics of your whole collection . . . |
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Originally Posted By rtran:
Haha not worth the trade off. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By rtran:
Originally Posted By BurtSaun1049:
Originally Posted By rtran:
That thing is super long . . . and super quiet! Haha not worth the trade off. Thanks for the solid contribution. |
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Originally Posted By rtran:
Haha not worth the trade off. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By rtran:
Originally Posted By BurtSaun1049:
Originally Posted By rtran:
That thing is super long . . . and super quiet! Haha not worth the trade off. mission drives the gear |
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I'm glad I found this thread as I had some questions about the AE suppressors. The build I am planning is either a centurion arms 12.5in barrel with fsb and the c4 cutout rail or a 12.5in ca barrel with 9.5 cmr rail. Would these setups be gtg or would additional work be required. If they need any work I would just substitute a DD 12.5 barrel.
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Is there an upper limit for how many turns are too much on the AEM5? I got 10 full turns
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Originally Posted By BurtSaun1049:
Is there an upper limit for how many turns are too much on the AEM5? I got 10 full turns View Quote um, you may want to contact the manufacturer to be sure but I think 6-8 turns is ideal and 10 turns you may be pushing the muzzle device againt the first baffle. When I first got mine I only got 2.5 turns until tightened which was crane spec for fast attach requirement. I asked Ron about it and he recommended at least 6 turns so he made me a custom collar. depending, you may just have to use a shim instead of a crush washer, but I'm not sure what you all you have there. |
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