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Posted: 2/9/2011 3:18:58 AM EST
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And shockingly...the original seller of the $1200.00 for 120 hasn't run any more sales since this thread started...I guess he sold out of his stockpile of custom painted ball ammo...
His last sale ––-> http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=215321066 |
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Posted: 2/9/2011 4:25:46 AM EST
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tag. Woudln't mind having a round for the collection, but not going to pay for a fake.
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Posted: 2/9/2011 4:29:35 AM EST
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tag. Woudln't mind having a round for the collection, but not going to pay for a fake. Then just paint one and call it good 
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Posted: 2/9/2011 4:52:03 AM EST
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tag. Woudln't mind having a round for the collection, but not going to pay for a fake. Then just paint one and call it good Seems like thats all your going to get anyways. I had a chance to buy 5 slap rounds a few years ago but passed thinking I could find more. That was a mistake
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Posted: 2/9/2011 5:26:19 AM EST
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Seems like thats all your going to get anyways. I had a chance to buy 5 slap rounds a few years ago but passed thinking I could find more. That was a mistakeAgreed. I've got 1, and have not seen them for sale anywhere. |
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Posted: 2/10/2011 3:52:31 AM EST
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Ended up with one each, Raufoss and SLAP for my collection from when I worked at Barrett. Have a French aluminum projectile round, an all plastic tracer training round and a few others that are oddities. Will need to dig into the collection and see what other odd balls I have.
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Posted: 2/10/2011 3:57:42 AM EST
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Ended up with one each, Raufoss and SLAP for my collection from when I worked at Barrett. Have a French aluminum projectile round, an all plastic tracer training round and a few others that are oddities. Will need to dig into the collection and see what other odd balls I have. Think I still have one of those plastic rounds too. Might have a regular (blue plastic, aluminum case head) and tracer (red tip). I'm going to have to crack open my collection one of these days for a re-inventory. |
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Posted: 2/10/2011 4:40:13 AM EST
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I've got a Raufoss round. Had two but I shot one at a steel plate. I also have a couple of SLAP rounds and a couple of SLAP-T rounds (tracer). Plus three types of squeeze bore rounds. Sort of like .50 BMG shotgun rounds, used in Vietnam.
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Posted: 2/10/2011 4:49:35 AM EST
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ost
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Posted: 2/10/2011 9:00:49 AM EST
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I wonder if you could shoot a slap out of an AR 50 if you removed the muzzle brake?
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Posted: 2/10/2011 9:33:53 AM EST
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I wonder if you could shoot a slap out of an AR 50 if you removed the muzzle brake? Yes, but you lose the muzzle break's recoil reducing ability. No thanks.
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Posted: 2/10/2011 11:42:41 AM EST
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I wonder if you could shoot a slap out of an AR 50 if you removed the muzzle brake? Yes, but you lose the muzzle break's recoil reducing ability. No thanks. But, your only shooting a small projectile. I wounder if it would have a heavy recoil |
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Posted: 2/10/2011 12:11:15 PM EST
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Quoted: I've got a Raufoss round. Had two but I shot one at a steel plate. I also have a couple of SLAP rounds and a couple of SLAP-T rounds (tracer). Plus three types of squeeze bore rounds. Sort of like .50 BMG shotgun rounds, used in Vietnam. Where at in PA are you located? |
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Posted: 2/10/2011 1:22:53 PM EST
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Near Harrisburg
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Posted: 2/11/2011 4:25:21 AM EST
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Bad news. Cockroach x-rayed the rounds and it looks to be fake.
Per Cockroach, the order from left to right Ball, AP, API, Fake Raufoss I think there was a mix up on the labeling and the order should be AP, Ball, API, fake Raufoss As you can see the last two on the right both look to be identical to API. Cockroach said he mic'd them and they are identical in size as well. So much for getting some Raufoss rounds. I think I will just order some API instead.     |
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Posted: 2/11/2011 5:49:23 AM EST
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So is your buddy gonna go chase down who he bought them from now and give the guy a fake raufoss enema?
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Posted: 2/11/2011 9:06:38 AM EST
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tag
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Posted: 2/11/2011 9:10:59 AM EST
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I wonder if you could shoot a slap out of an AR 50 if you removed the muzzle brake? Yes. That's how you do it. |
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Posted: 2/11/2011 9:11:52 AM EST
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Quoted: So is your buddy gonna go chase down who he bought them from now and give the guy a fake raufoss enema? I texted him earlier. We are going to talk tonight about it. We might try to go out this weekend and see what it does against some steel plate. I will give an update later. |
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Posted: 2/11/2011 3:31:14 PM EST
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That looks like a ball round on the left. I cut a federal open one time and it had a lot of space at the tip. Just saying it could be, not 100% sure though.
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Posted: 2/11/2011 4:58:32 PM EST
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That looks like a ball round on the left. I cut a federal open one time and it had a lot of space at the tip. Just saying it could be, not 100% sure though. You're right, it is ball. The original listed order is correct. I was surprised at the amount of "standoff" between the penetrator and the tip as well. On an unrelated note, I am selling some painted API Raufoss if anybody is interested........ 
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Posted: 2/11/2011 6:30:27 PM EST
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That looks like a ball round on the left. I cut a federal open one time and it had a lot of space at the tip. Just saying it could be, not 100% sure though. You're right, it is ball. The original listed order is correct. I was surprised at the amount of "standoff" between the penetrator and the tip as well. On an unrelated note, I am selling some painted API Raufoss if anybody is interested........ If you were to cut open a ball projectile you will see that the space between the core and the tip is filled with what looks like talcom powder. On the other end there is lead. Ed |
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Posted: 2/12/2011 5:41:54 AM EST
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I wonder if you could shoot a slap out of an AR 50 if you removed the muzzle brake? from what I've gathered you need a barrel with diff twist to remain accurate; I forget the twist rate as I lost interest. info came from "triggerfifty" or whoever that long range dude is who also sold/sells a log/data book. He had an EDM with barrel setup for sabots I was inquiring about years ago |
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Posted: 2/12/2011 6:26:57 AM EST
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Look at those poor quality X-rays I hope your patient's films don't look like that.
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Posted: 2/12/2011 12:37:29 PM EST
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Look at those poor quality X-rays I hope your patient's films don't look like that. na, the bullets in my patients never have the brass attached
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Posted: 2/12/2011 2:01:15 PM EST
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Might want to photoshop the name of the clinic off those photos. Pic travel fast on the net.
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Posted: 2/12/2011 9:06:42 PM EST
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The Docs he works with are pretty cool from what he tells me so I sure he got permission before hand. It's not a hospital it's an outpatient clinic not hospital riffraff. But good looking.
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Posted: 2/17/2011 5:07:36 AM EST
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Posted: 2/17/2011 5:28:30 AM EST
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jestertoo
Thanks for posting the pics. I was going to do it after work today. I am going to call my guy tonight and tell him the bad news. I sent him the scans this morning. |
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Posted: 2/17/2011 1:07:46 PM EST
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No problem jestertoo.
For anyone interested, the order of PICs 4 & 5 (from L to R) are: Ball, AP, API, Raufoss |
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Posted: 2/18/2011 10:40:12 AM EST
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Posted: 2/18/2011 10:42:28 AM EST
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http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=18268&query=retrieval Intresting . . . The rounds shown in the can look real, (by my e-micrometer )
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Posted: 2/18/2011 10:44:07 AM EST
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Hard to tell if that is real or not.
I cant see the tips of them. |
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Posted: 2/18/2011 10:50:11 AM EST
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He has them on gunbroker as well . . .
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=216792265 |
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Posted: 2/18/2011 11:03:25 AM EST
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Quoted: He has them on gunbroker as well . . . http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=216792265 It looks like the tips are correct on those. They look to be legit. $60 a pop.  |
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Posted: 2/18/2011 2:35:03 PM EST
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those tips look more uniform than mine. If those FCSA guys ripped me off I'll be sure to be refunded.
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Posted: 2/18/2011 3:19:04 PM EST
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Posted: 2/20/2011 7:18:22 AM EST
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They pay $60 for those things
Damn guess I might need to sell mine FREE Wow Quoted:
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He has them on gunbroker as well . . . http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=216792265 It looks like the tips are correct on those. They look to be legit. $60 a pop.
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Posted: 2/21/2011 8:10:21 AM EST
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Guys,
Great site. I have been watching from the sidelines for the last few days. I am one of the victims from the gunbroker scammer linked in this thread. (By the way, two different gunbroker auctions have been linked in the thread and they are not from the same sellers as near as I can tell). I don't know if I can list names without being in violation of the forum rules, so I won't. All of the issues listed by Kieth Pagel were present in my faked MK211. The poor paint job of lime green, the air bubbles in the paint, the pointed versus blunt tip, the pull marks, etc. I already had two people look at these that have much more experience in these matters than I do and they said that they were fakes. I asked if they needed to xray them or cut them apart and neither one had a moments hesitation that these were not the real deal just looking at them. I have a friend that has an inside connection at Barrett that is right up the road from me. I think if it comes down to a law suit, I may try to get one of their guys to give me a sworn affidavit that these are fake. I have a couple of other things up my sleeve if it goes that far, but I am hoping it will not. If is sickening that some sorry sack of dog crap is allowed to scam people out of hard earned money. I am filing a fraud complaint through gunbroker tomorrow and trying to get my money back from the scammer. I am also talking with a lawyer tomorrow about possible recourse if the gunbroker fraud process does not work. Any thoughts or help would be appreciated. I would think that selling fraudulent items across state line would be a federal violation, but I will know more after I meet with my lawyer. Any comments? Thanks guys!! |
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Posted: 2/21/2011 8:20:00 AM EST
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Quoted: Guys, Great site. I have been watching from the sidelines for the last few days. I am one of the victims from the gunbroker scammer linked in this thread. (By the way, two different gunbroker auctions have been linked in the thread and they are not from the same sellers as near as I can tell). I don't know if I can list names without being in violation of the forum rules, so I won't. All of the issues listed by Kieth Pagel were present in my faked MK211. The poor paint job of lime green, the air bubbles in the paint, the pointed versus blunt tip, the pull marks, etc. I already had two people look at these that have much more experience in these matters than I do and they said that they were fakes. I asked if they needed to xray them or cut them apart and neither one had a moments hesitation that these were not the real deal just looking at them. I have a friend that has an inside connection at Barrett that is right up the road from me. I think if it comes down to a law suit, I may try to get one of their guys to give me a sworn affidavit that these are fake. I have a couple of other things up my sleeve if it goes that far, but I am hoping it will not. If is sickening that some sorry sack of dog crap is allowed to scam people out of hard earned money. I am filing a fraud complaint through gunbroker tomorrow and trying to get my money back from the scammer. I am also talking with a lawyer tomorrow about possible recourse if the gunbroker fraud process does not work. Any thoughts or help would be appreciated. I would think that selling fraudulent items across state line would be a federal violation, but I will know more after I meet with my lawyer. Any comments? Thanks guys!! I spoke to the guy I know who bought the fakes (500rds  ). After talking to him for a while he told me that he bought them from a guy who has a gunbroker account. He is one of the guys who was selling the fakes on gunbroker. My guy did not buy them directly from gunbroker, so he may be screwed. He just cut the guy a check.I am going to talk to my guy again tonight and see what he has to say. He was going to contact the gunbroker guy and tell him that they are fake. I am interested in what he has to say. |
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Posted: 2/21/2011 8:29:51 AM EST
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I cannot imagine the set on this guy. Every person he sells to has his full contact information. 50BMG owners are not a group of people I want to tick off with them having my full contact info.
I hope it works out for your friend getting his money for the 500 back. Mine was bad, but 500 is worse. Let me know if we can pool our information to get our money back. |
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Posted: 2/21/2011 12:27:55 PM EST
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I cannot imagine the set on this guy. Every person he sells to has his full contact information. 50BMG owners are not a group of people I want to tick off with them having my full contact info. I hope it works out for your friend getting his money for the 500 back. Mine was bad, but 500 is worse. Let me know if we can pool our information to get our money back. Was the seller "Followme", or something to that respect? If so, I got taken by him about two years ago for 5 rounds. |
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Posted: 2/21/2011 2:41:37 PM EST
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I cannot imagine the set on this guy. Every person he sells to has his full contact information. 50BMG owners are not a group of people I want to tick off with them having my full contact info. I hope it works out for your friend getting his money for the 500 back. Mine was bad, but 500 is worse. Let me know if we can pool our information to get our money back. Was the seller "Followme", or something to that respect? If so, I got taken by him about two years ago for 5 rounds. That was him. I wish I only got taken for 5 rounds. I had a 50BMG expert this afternoon describe my fake ammo to me before I told him anything about it. He told me that it was probably reloads (has the pull marks barely visible), a bad paint job complete with drips, brush strokes, bubbles, etc. I also noticed that there was paint on some of my brass. There is no honor amoung thieves. |
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Posted: 2/22/2011 6:11:51 AM EST
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I cannot imagine the set on this guy. Every person he sells to has his full contact information. 50BMG owners are not a group of people I want to tick off with them having my full contact info. I hope it works out for your friend getting his money for the 500 back. Mine was bad, but 500 is worse. Let me know if we can pool our information to get our money back. Was the seller "Followme", or something to that respect? If so, I got taken by him about two years ago for 5 rounds. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Both of these look fake gunbroker http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=216949087 I think this same guy is on auctionarms http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=10151378 |
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Posted: 2/22/2011 6:37:59 AM EST
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See if he'll trade you for some unobtanium .50 round that you could fake-up and see where it goes from there....................it could be epic!!!!!
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Posted: 2/22/2011 8:24:57 AM EST
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does anyone have a reliable guy for these things. I would really like to buy some for my collection?
Found some |
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Posted: 2/22/2011 10:05:28 AM EST
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He has them on gunbroker as well . . . http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=216792265 It looks like the tips are correct on those. They look to be legit. $60 a pop.
Those look like the red/silver painted over with green. The projectiles also look to be seated out slightly farther than they should, based on the crimp ring. |
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Posted: 2/23/2011 6:59:44 PM EST
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I cannot imagine the set on this guy. Every person he sells to has his full contact information. 50BMG owners are not a group of people I want to tick off with them having my full contact info. . Gun guys in general. Take a look at all the counterfeited rare 1911's. Chances are, the guy who just gave $45,000+ for a Singer knows how to spot a fake. Sell him a fake for real price and he has the seller's address, and the means to get even(which he bought from you). I don't want to ever shoot a person, but stealing the price of a house from me would go a long way toward changing my mind. Counterfeit guns seem to be almost as common as counterfeit money. If I was to pass off a couple dozen copy machine $100 bills it would still be fraud, but at least it's not a tool that can be directly used to get even with me. |
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Posted: 2/25/2011 12:47:11 PM EST
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Good luck on trying to sue the guy. He may be guilty of fraud but you want to sue him for not selling you genuine stolen government property????
Huhh? Which is why I always tell folks to avoid the Raufoss deals on Gunbroker, etc. CAVEAT EMPTOR!!! -David Edgewood, NM P.S. Good luck getting any results from Gunbroker. They're just like Ebay, only worse...no help resolving fraudulent deals... |
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Posted: 2/25/2011 1:10:04 PM EST
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Quoted: You should know that's not always the caseGood luck on trying to sue the guy. He may be guilty of fraud but you want to sue him for not selling you genuine stolen government property???? Not all mk211 is govt owned, many places (civilian) run test with it Its still fraud and the guy should have a pitchfork run up his ass |
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