From a post over on CTGT...

Yes. Keep engineering a way around these idiotic laws.

Will be interesting to see how it works and the cost. Might make for a good way for we CT residents to neuter our AR's so we can take them into NY or for NY residents to potentially bring theirs into CT.

If the insanity continues, BO may get his way, and this product will be needed throughout the US.

Much like his magazine catch conversion, I am concerned about the legality of just replacing some parts on a gas gun, and call it a pump action.

All too true.  And the scr as well.  If the scr isn't a patent protected thing I assume many others will be ready to produce them.

chris murphy would wet himself if he saw this

Time will tell. It will all depend on how the gun functions when the trigger is pulled. If no round is loaded by the automatic action of the BCG recoiling which forces one to manually operate some part to load a round then its a fairly safe bet it will not be treated as semiautomatic and there for not subject to the CT AWB.

However it functions after the parts are added, I would still be nervous about the fact that you would be using gas gun barrels/receivers.  Especially if you owned any other ARs, and the parts can be easily swapped.  I was considering buying one of his fixed mag lowers to play with, but since I own a good number of 20 round GI mags, which will fit in the modified receiver, I decided to pass.

Now, come up with a pump action conversion for a Tavor, that fills the gas port and removes the gas piston, and I am all in!

Yeah the easily swapped parts could potentially be a problem. Don't know if there are any legal cases that flesh out the whole "parts" language of the idiotic statutes. The whole parts business is one big gray area that could or could not trip up someone who uses a pump action style upper (or lower). Even if one had something like the Troy PAR or Ares SCR if one had an upper on a  pre-ban or registered AW that had a flash hider or bayo lug that could be construed to be a "part" to make the PAR (if chaning the upper turns it into a semauto) or SCR an AW.

The Troy has different dimensions and is not interchangeable with a normal AR

A bit more on the rifle from CTGT...

Whatever opens the way for new lowers to be transferable is great. If a lower can be built into a compliant configuration there is no reason to deny transfer of lowers...

The issue is, if you can put a regular upper on it, it could still be classified an AW.  By just switching out parts, you go from a PAR to a semi.  This is exacerbated by the fact that, most of us already have ARs, so all the parts we need to swap out are readily available.

I would think (for all that is worth), to be CT legal, the lower/upper would have to be proprietary so a gas upper wouldn't fit.  Of course, the State Police have commented in reference to building a stripped lower as a rimfire, it is up to the individual to build a compliant rifle.  I am afraid it would take a court case to get any clear decision on this, and with the socialist judges in CT, you can be pretty sure the decision would not be going our way!

That wouldn't prevent the firearm or kit from being sold however since its on the BUYER to make sure they don't have any parts in their possession that could turn a non AW into an AW.

The whole point of any of these workarounds to the law is to get passed the AR copy/duplicates ban language that is preventing or restricting SALES and TRANSERS of AR's. Once the sale or transfer is made its up to the buyer to ensure they are not violating any additional laws. Look at it this way. One could buy an SCR right now and technically be violating the "parts" portion of law if they had a preban with an upper that had a flash hider and bayo lug because that upper could be swapped onto the SCR. Does that prevent SCR's from being sold? Of course not. Its the buyer's responsibility to ensure they comply with the idiotic unconstitutional law after buying or obtaining a CT legal firearm.

Exactomundo. Much like with rimfire rifles if the lower or full rifle can be deemed non semiautomatic and or non centerfire then it gets passed the idiotic copy/duplicates language. And if non semiautomatic it gets passed any feature ban language from both the old and new laws and gets past the idiotic 30 inches over all length rule of the new law too.

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The whole constructive possession argument is really problematic for all of us in many situations.

For instance, I have a preban glock 19 with a threaded barrel. I also have a postban glock 23 with a regular barrel. I suppose one could argue that I am in constructive possession of an AW because the threaded glock 19 barrel will also fit the glock 23, even though I have never configured it that way.

I am sure others are also in similar situations in that regard whether it be multiple AR's in different calibers, so the ability to swap parts technically creates a gun in a different caliber that was registered.

But these problems are not intrinsic to CT's new laws.... we've have 922r around for years and years but I've yet to hear about anyone being charged for having either an outright non-compliant gun, or the parts to make it non-compliant.

There is enough hype and drama out there and I get why people are overly cautious with the current state of affairs. But at a certain point you need to stop living in fear.

Bottom line, whatever new design feats allow for new lowers to be transferred in or allow previously un-compliant folks to easily now comply are definitely a good thing. Is there still some risk there? Of course! Can it be easily quantified? Absolutely not! It boils down to personal choices that we all make. And let's face it, being a gun owner in the state of CT is all around risky as it is. The state keeps a registry of whatever we buy in state. We see guns confiscated and permits yanked because of things like small domestic conflicts (some even misunderstandings), minor drug possession, ec.

Hell there was one guy in Stamford a couple years back that told a cabbie to go back to India in some not so nice words, and the cops showed up at his house and took all his guns because it was perceived that his comment was racist and threatening. So much for thick skin...

So yeah we still unfortunately walk on eggshells a lot of the time based on our interest, passion and ownership of guns - that's not going to change. But innovations like what these guys are doing are great.

One last point - if new AR's can be purchased, whether funky grip semi-auto, normal grip but pump-action, or a so called "aids cannon" - that allows for new folks to take interest. The more AR's out there even if neutered in some way, the better. Because they will still be sold, many going into the hands of people that were previously apathetic at best and anti-gun at worst. Once they see that the AR can't take down an airplane or a tank and that it doesn't just fire itself into playgrounds full of school children, people will realize that they really didn't have anything to fear in the first place. So maybe some of those folks go out and buy a preban as their second step (if still legal by then). Maybe some end up moving to a different state where they can and do purchase a brand new normal AR. Maybe some end up deciding they are not going to comply with the CT laws and figure out a way to turn their pump-action AR into a semi auto by just swapping the upper.