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Posted: 10/17/2013 4:28:52 PM EDT

I give you a glimpse of WWII German Oak B Fall/Winter side of the reversible type 2 smock.

Spring/Summer side of same smock.

I know my Uncle went up against SS Units in the hedgerows of France, and at the Battle of the Bulge, among other places... wearing this same pattern, he said it was extremely effective and now I see why!

How would you like to be snooping and pooping in 1940s Europe looking for an MG42 crew decked out in it?

I'll post some more pics later.....

Posted: 10/17/2013 5:15:48 PM EDT

[#1]

Neat stuff ADK. I have never seen that before. Is it commercially available?

Posted: 10/17/2013 5:36:13 PM EDT

[#2]

Yes it's on the market for reenactors. M42 Waffen SS Oak B smock.

Posted: 10/17/2013 5:52:03 PM EDT

[#3]

Maybe I'll try it out for turkey

thanks man

Posted: 10/17/2013 8:16:22 PM EDT

[#4]

I've been told the surplus flecktarn I sometimes wear blends in really well

Posted: 10/18/2013 2:03:25 AM EDT

[#5]

the other thread made me spend money now this one will by the end of the day

Posted: 10/18/2013 2:18:00 AM EDT

[#6]

The Soviets had some good stuff too.

Posted: 10/18/2013 3:05:58 AM EDT

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I've been told the surplus flecktarn I sometimes wear blends in really well

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The Flecktarn is very similar to the german oak patterns . Also one of my favorites .

Posted: 10/18/2013 5:18:24 AM EDT

[#8]

Is that you stuffed under the camo? Man, I hardly see you!

BTW, not to be too picky, but those photos show MG34 not MG42.

Posted: 10/18/2013 5:29:06 AM EDT

[#9]

pffffff

these are all you need

Posted: 10/18/2013 8:17:14 AM EDT

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Is that you stuffed under the camo? Man, I hardly see you!

BTW, not to be too picky, but those photos show MG34 not MG42.

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I knoew you'd nit pick the beltfed pics man,,, I knew it was a 34 in the pic, just didn't go with my uncle's story, the only MG42 pics I could find were reenactors in PEAS camo instead of Oak B

Posted: 10/18/2013 1:48:25 PM EDT

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adk1 if you are really interested in this stuff you should get :

http://www.amazon.com/Camouflage-Uniforms-Waffen-SS-Photographic-Reference/dp/0887408036
Camouflage Uniforms of the Waffen-Ss a Photographic Reference.
Author:
Beaver, Michael D., Borsarello, J. F.

ISBN-13:
9780887408038

ISBN:
0887408036

Publisher: Schiffer Publishing, Limited

EXPENSIVE but well worth it, fascinating book.

Posted: 10/18/2013 2:53:58 PM EDT

[#12]

outside this afternoon working

Posted: 10/18/2013 3:15:17 PM EDT

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adk1 if you are really interested in this stuff you should get :

http://www.amazon.com/Camouflage-Uniforms-Waffen-SS-Photographic-Reference/dp/0887408036
Camouflage Uniforms of the Waffen-Ss a Photographic Reference.
Author:
Beaver, Michael D., Borsarello, J. F.

ISBN-13:
9780887408038

ISBN:
0887408036

Publisher: Schiffer Publishing, Limited

EXPENSIVE but well worth it, fascinating book.

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I appreciate the info, basically I was looking for the most effective camo for our area here in the foothills of the Adirondacks.
Many of the German patterns work well here as we live in a temperate zone, and they really did their homework on patterns that work in a wide variety of places.

One pattern I like other than the Oak patterns are the Stumftarn pattern used by the West German BGS (Border Guard and GSG9 units.)

Posted: 10/18/2013 3:52:52 PM EDT

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I have a copy I can lend you if you want to check it out. It delves into the research behind the patterns etc. Honestly the work done behind them is VERY extensive and impressive even by today's standards. They knew all about macro and micro patterns, and sought to produce patterns that worked closely and yet didn't "blob out" at longer distances so they still broke up the human outline. Not many modern patterns use this. They also tried to come pup with ways of eliminating repeats in patterns since repeats destroy the effectiveness of camo in some uses.

Tan and Water/Sumpftarn is great here, even in the summer. Some of the reproduction anoraks are very nice, useful garments here too.

Posted: 10/18/2013 5:13:32 PM EDT

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I still say MARPAT is an excellent modern camo for NY. It works well in any temperate forest and the desert version is good for fall/winter.

Posted: 10/18/2013 5:30:53 PM EDT

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I still say MARPAT is an excellent modern camo for NY. It works well in any temperate forest and the desert version is good for fall/winter.

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I've been wearing Marpat Goretex overpants deer hunting this year, they do work very well.

Posted: 10/18/2013 7:41:58 PM EDT

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FWIW, I used to use MARPAT for Airsoft. I find mainly in the fall it worked pretty decently. A bit better than in the summer. I've had two people literally step on me, along with someone talking to a tree (thinking it was me) that I wasn't even near.

What works for the area you're in seems to differ vastly, NY seems to have 3 or 4 different main types of areas. I've seen the old standard woodland work really well in the summer where MARPAT was only moderately decent.

Posted: 10/18/2013 8:39:12 PM EDT

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I've tried MarPat, CADPat and MULTICAM, I find CADPat works best where I have some evergreen cover, MARPat is a bit too brown for locally.

Also, the old Canadian version of British DPM works well here, with a predominately mustard/tan lighter background that British.

Ironically, M1968 Vietnam Tigerstripe disappears in evergreen forest!

Most of my new camo gear is MULTICAM...
Another great pattern for here was actually developed for Africa....Rhodesian!

Posted: 10/18/2013 11:25:12 PM EDT

[#19]

Multicam

Posted: 10/19/2013 8:09:32 AM EDT

[#20]

Multicam is often too light here. There are times when it works ok though.

RCMP vs. Micmacs...

Danish M84 is another one that works well here.

Posted: 10/19/2013 10:03:09 AM EDT

[#21]

Multicam is too light but neon green is fine?!

Base color in a temperate forest would be brown, not green. Kryptec Hilander would be pretty awesome.

Posted: 10/19/2013 11:04:16 AM EDT

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In my area multicam is consistently too light except in the late fall and early spring:

Like most universal camos it works ok in some areas but not as well in others. Base colors aren't static they change seasonally- the Germans recognized that and that is why they went to the extra effort and expense of making a reversible system. We aren't forced to use any one universal system so we have the freedom to choose whatever pattern works for the region and season we are in. In an Eastern forest-boreal transition area the light greens are particularly well suited but they work

Don't feel compelled to wed yourself to a single "one size fits all" pattern, adapt to suit your needs.

Experiment, see what works for you in your area and use whatever you find best. Deciding what is best can be highly subjective and seasonally dependent.

Posted: 10/21/2013 10:49:31 AM EDT

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In my area multicam is consistently too light except in the late fall and early spring:
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l119/sepp45/121111_021_zps792b6399.jpg
Like most universal camos it works ok in some areas but not as well in others. Base colors aren't static they change seasonally- the Germans recognized that and that is why they went to the extra effort and expense of making a reversible system. We aren't forced to use any one universal system so we have the freedom to choose whatever pattern works for the region and season we are in. In an Eastern forest-boreal transition area the light greens are particularly well suited but they work

Don't feel compelled to wed yourself to a single "one size fits all" pattern, adapt to suit your needs.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7204/20090409556.jpg
http://www.kifaruforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=459&stc=1&d=1239459548
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5600/20090409564.jpg

Experiment, see what works for you in your area and use whatever you find best. Deciding what is best can be highly subjective and seasonally dependent.

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Good useful info in this post, take a look at the easter bunny photo,,,,,

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