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Posted: 12/15/2020 10:06:59 PM EDT
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I wanted to get Dad a nice scope for Christmas. Hopefully Optics Planet gives a shipping notice before then (it's been a week).
Seems like it has a good tracking reputation. I guess the illumination is near as bright as the 1-5x. I'm ambivalent about FFP vs SFP for KD range. I haven't been able to let him look at floating dot, chevron, ring, etc reticles, so I figure a mildot crosshair would be familiar enough while being simple enough, but allowing more options than a duplex. My work schedule hasn't been the most convenient. I might get a range day next month to help Da set the scope up. Otherwise it'll be February before I have a chance to shoot the local match. |
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I don’t know that scope so no opinion on it, but when I went to look it up, I don’t see it in their lineup?
Is it a discontinued model? https://www.burrisoptics.com/scopes/xtr-ii |
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Originally Posted By RegionRat: I don't know that scope so no opinion on it, but when I went to look it up, I don't see it in their lineup? Is it a discontinued model? https://www.burrisoptics.com/scopes/xtr-ii View Quote https://www.burrisoptics.com/scopes/xtr-ii-riflescopes-series/xtr-ii-riflescope-2-10x42mm |
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Looks like a percentage of the reviews on the start of the batches had workmanship issues and Burris fixed them.
The only thing with a discontinued model, is if you happen to get one from that early batch and get unlucky. By now, I am just guessing, but my guess is they would swap it out for something different or refund you. The specs look good for a hunting rifle. I would risk it if they give you the right deal. |
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Omg, the idiot who thinks 1 MOA = 1 inch at 100yds and dials up to 50 MOA is surprised when the impacts are higher than 50".
That .047" adds up, y'all. Odd that on the 2-10x's page there aren't any reviews on it. |
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[#5]
3 weeks and no shipping notice...
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Optics Planet has always been a strange deal in terms of what they really stock and how long it takes to ship.
It gave me the impression that in many instances, they were a virtual dealer not a brick and mortar stock distribution operation. So I think they really don't stock many of the items they are pushing and that's why those shipping warnings and stock numbers are so strange. That is during "normal" times and we certainly aren't in normal times these days. I just hope they don't flake on you after tying you up for a long time, only to tell you they can't do it. Maybe it is just super slow due to the holidays and plague. No way to know for now. In any case, hope you had a Merry Christmas and have a Happy New Year! |
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[#7]
In for opinions as this scope interests me. Hope you get it soon, OP.
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Got a shipping notice.
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[#10]
Looks good so far.
The $64 Dollar Question.... Does your dad like it? |
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Originally Posted By RegionRat: Looks good so far. The $64 Dollar Question.... Does your dad like it? View Quote I mentioned to a friend that it took me more than 30 minutes to put together because there's more bits and baubs than usual. He said he needed the TA51 mount for his ACOG because he's a liberal arts major, and an Aggie. |
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Initial boresight at 30ft in the house says something ain't right (HOB and parallax accounted). I should be like 7 Mil high, but it's showing 5 Mil low. I hope I didn't derp the ring inserts.
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You can trust your eyes to a large degree. If it looks way off, in my world it is way off.
I have boresighted everything from airguns to cannons by looking down the bore, so I would guess to straighten it out on the bench at home before you get to the range unless the range has a comfortable spot to work. You know what you are doing, so the rest of us will sit back and live vicariously while your dad gets a second Christmas. In for the range report. |
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Good shakedown. 459/500 points is about average. 12 Xs is a little higher.
Sighters seemed to be a 0.1 or 0.2 Mil low. Standing sucked. Using 10x with no practice will do that. Sitting was okay, but low. Attached File I think he made a sight adjustment after. Now he was warmed up and acclimating. Prone Rapid was a better than expected. He said the first two shots were done differently, but by the 2nd mag he'd reverted to aiming by breathing and settled in. Attached File This Prone Slow was his best in a long while. He tried illuminating for the 2nd string, but it somehow wasn't bright enough in the overcast conditions, so he left it off. Attached File Attached File Summary target. Attached File |
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From the factory, the scope had 18.7 Mils up available, out of 26.2 Mil total. With the 0 MOA ring insert sets, he moved 5.6 Mil up to zero.
18.7 - 5.6 = 13.1. 26.2 - 18.7 = 7.5. 7.5 + 5.6 = 13.1. The elevation should be at mechanical center. Windage is 0.7 Mil left. Good. I'll try the inclining rings again sometime as I'd like this rifle to be able to dial to 1000yds. |
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New scope shakedown: Burris XTRII 2-10x42 |
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I got to use the left over ammo on Sunday. 3 shots on 2x, 3 shots on 4.5x, 3 shots on 10x with just elbows on the bench. Then a couple shots on 10x Standing. I broke most of them low or left, but without sling tension damping muzzle rise during bore time, they hit accurately not precisely within the MR-31.
I dig the Mil Dots. The bars are a little thin. Didn't have time for a POV photo, but tried to scale the targets in MS Paint. I've been having trouble thinking in Mils instead of 3.4 MOA per Mil or 1/3 MOA per click, especially relative to rings. This might help. SR-1 at 2x. There are no dots to the eye. Just a fine crosshair. SR-1 at 10x. Attached File MR-31C at 10x. Attached File |
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https://compasslake.com/product/match-rifle-float-tube/
Will this fit behind a rifle FSB? How much does it weigh? Is the rail Anschutz or Freeland? ETA: Theresa said "it will fit slightly behind the gas block with a rifle length gas block. The slot is actually dimensioned for a Clowerd, the standard for highpower." I think it's a Cloward handstop on Da's pre-'64 M70, so that should be Freeland. Looks like the one here: http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2014/06/baercloward-masterpiece-rifle-saved-for-the-grand-kids/ Attached File Panzer added that it's 2" diameter and weighs 14oz. |
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Earlier this week, I replaced the RRA trigger with a LaRue. It feels noticeably better in this receiver than mine. Compared to the RRA, it has a crisper break and smoother reset, though the locktime seems slower. The old grocery scale says about 2.8lb 1st stage and 1.0lb 2nd stage. I haven't gotten Da's comment about the bow shape which is a little flatter in radius and across.
We also refined the diopter adjustment, and eye relief which required moving forward one slot. My opinion is that a fixed 2.5 or 3.0" is ideal. Far enough away to not tap eyewear, not far enough that headwear can fall into the sightline. The Burris' 3.6-4.2" between low and high power is a minor nuisance. Standing. The first shot was on 10x. He remembered that wasn't the best idea and turned it down to 4.5x. I've said before that optical sights feel "digital" compared to irons. Even at lower power, I think Da's trigger finger was reactive instead of proactive; the reticle passes the center before the shot breaks. Impacts were outside calls. I've learned that FFP reticles need a bolder element closer to the middle. Whether it's a thicker subtension, chevron, circle, dAyLiGhT bright illumination, etc. At 2x, the Mil scale forms a crosshair a bit too fine for the eye to track well. 70/100. Attached File Sitting, he asked my suggestion for magnification, to which I replied 6x as that should be enough to see the X-ring, but minimize the digital feeling. He said he didn't quite settle in. 95-2x. Attached File Back to 10x for Prone Rapid. I guess light condition is to blame for the 9:00 shift as several shooters went left. 98-2x. Attached File Prone Slow 1: 1 click right. Low shots on call. 98-3x. Attached File Prone Slow 2: Another click right. He thinks the 14lb weight finally wears him. A half pound off the front and moving the swivel/handstop back about 2" ought to help. 93-2x. Attached File |
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The other night I quickly detached the scope to replace the drop-in quad rails with A2 plastics which saved at least 0.5lb, and quickly retached the scope. I chose to mow my backyard jungle instead of watching yesterday's outing.
Attached File Weather was nice, light-moderate overcast. He left it on 10x and didn't use illumination which likely wouldn't have been visible anyway. Sighters were accurate. He derped the first shot Standing into a miss. Then he did this. Sitting: 98/100-2x Attached File Prone Rapid: 98/100-4x Attached File Prone Slow 1: 98/100-3x Attached File Prone Slow 2: 96/100-2x Attached File Aggregate was 466/500-15x, so apparently he had a 76/100-4x Standing. ETA: I just remembered the scoreboard pic he briefly showed me, and it was a 76-0x, with Prone Slow having 8x, so I'm guessing the scorer was generous with the 3:00 Ten in Prone Rapid as well. |
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"Technique isn't something that can be taught. It's something you find on your own." - Bunta Fujiwara
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"He left it on 10x and didn't use illumination which likely wouldn't have been visible anyway"
Is the illumination on this too dim for daytime use against the SR targets? |
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Aye. Just the nature of less expensive, etched reticle, battery powered illumination. Dunno if the 2x2016 trick will work or burn the circuitry. I'm still curious to try a rear red/front blue tint.
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"Technique isn't something that can be taught. It's something you find on your own." - Bunta Fujiwara
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I didn't attend the match on 4-Sept-21. Usual shooter condition - no practice or dryfire before the morning of. Switched to 25gr IMR4064 which worked just fine years ago.
I forgot to toggle OnTarget to Mils. Standing: 75/100. Sitting: 98/100-1x Attached File Prone Rapid: 98/100-1x. The last couple times have been accurate, but imprecise. Hmm. Attached File Prone Slow One: 99/100-4x. Attached File Prone Slow Two: 94/100-3x. Dunno. Attached File Summary: 464/500-9x. I'm gonna load up a bunch of Hornady 55gr FMJs and make him practice, dammit. Attached File |
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"Technique isn't something that can be taught. It's something you find on your own." - Bunta Fujiwara
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I spent some more coin. Da doesn't want to touch that Compass Lake HBAR, so the only appreciable weight that could come off the front is the handguard. I want to like the BCM Mod 3 grip, but we're not jiving, so I'm putting it on his gun to make it more SR unlegal.
I want a 3D printer friend to make a cant-slotted A2 buttplate to fit the UBR2. 11.5lbs. Balanced right in front of the receiver. Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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"Technique isn't something that can be taught. It's something you find on your own." - Bunta Fujiwara
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"Technique isn't something that can be taught. It's something you find on your own." - Bunta Fujiwara
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25gr IMR4064 under 50gr VMAX.
Standing, 87/100-1x. Attached File Sitting, 95/100-1x. He went back to cross-ankle. Attached File Prone Rapid, 96/100-3x. He shot on the SR-1, hence the transposition. Attached File Prone Slow, 100/100-4x + 97/100-6x. Attached File Attached File Summary, 475/500-15x. Attached File |
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"Technique isn't something that can be taught. It's something you find on your own." - Bunta Fujiwara
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Da has thing where one leg gets numb if he stands too long, usually equal to about shot 6-7, which has made Standing a challenge but he's still bouncing in the 80s. Life has settled down some since 2020-2021 and his mind seems to be more idle while shooting which has helped his sling supported positions.
These were shot with 25gr IMR3031 under 50gr VMAX at 2.255". 26th of March at Stephens County Rifle and Pistol club - Duncan, Oklahoma. Standing: 84/100-1x Sitting: 98/100-3x Prone "Rapid": 98/100-3x Prone Slow: 97/100-3x and 100/100-5x Aggregate: 477/500-15x Attached File "That looks like a HRB target!" - match director Attached File 2nd of April at home. Aggregate: 456ish/500. He didn't wake up well, but finished strong. He also had to load his own ammo for the first time in a while. When I was loading for May, I noticed the April extras were short - about 2.20". Attached File Attached File 7th of May at home. Leg didn't go numb, but his back had discomfort. 476/500-11x. Attached File |
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"Technique isn't something that can be taught. It's something you find on your own." - Bunta Fujiwara
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Backs and necks are unforgiving. I really feel for folks with serious problems.
Great shooting with all things considered. Hope the numbness and nerve issues don't get in the way. |
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