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This brings backs nightmares of their shitty inline six engines from the 70's.
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Quoted: Your 3.6 is a minivan engine. View Quote 3.8 was the minivan engine. I had one in an 11 4 door Wrangler. What a dog. I put 4.88 gears in it (35” tires) and still no go. Installed a RIPP supercharger, a little better but not much. The 3.6 in my 2 door JKR and Gladiator is a vastly improved power plant. |
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Quoted: After owning a WK2 with a 5.7 since 2018. Yea, no desire to go back to less-than-master-race-cylinder-count. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Hardcore Mopar fan here. Fuck them. I'm revolting anyway. The point Stellantis fails to understand is that they are now basically a copy of Ford. Their entire Hemi customer base is made up of people who could have bought an Ecoboost instead, but didn't want to. |
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Lol @ using 3.0L and 2 turbos to eek out 400HP. And thats probably at the crank with no accessories.
You can get a used honda motor and 1 turbo and be putting out 475 to the wheels. |
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I remember these in Volares and Aspens and other small cars. We changed out or rebuilt quite a few of these for all kinds of problems, but never a 4.0. Rough running six too. |
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Quoted: Looks like they're using a dedicated turbo for each 3 cylinders. Maybe they can lop it in half to have an inline three cylinder version with just one turbo for their smaller vehicles. View Quote Witha 3 cylinders per turbo (think smaller and faster spooling) couldn't they basically keep it constantly ready to boost and eliminate lag? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My 4.6 stroker does alright. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/171820/Capture_JPG-2275508.JPG The 3.6 does that with no mods. And gets better mpg. And meets emissions. Your 3.6 is a minivan engine. The 3.6 Pentastar is an everything engine. FCA seriously put that engine in a huge range of products from the Challenger and Charger up through the Wrangler and Grand Cherokee and even half ton pickups. And yes, it also went in the Caravan and Pacifica, but calling it a "minivan engine" when it appeared in such a huge portfolio of products is pure fuckery. Whether or not you like the Pentastar V6, and whether or not you like Chrysler, it's hard to debate the fact that the 3.6L Pentastar is probably the most versatile engine of the 2010s. |
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Quoted: They never should have killed off the 4.0. One of the most bombproof engines ever made. ETA: first thing I would do is delete all that EGR crap. View Quote Agreed! Takes a lot of abuse to kill a 4.0. All my XJs were acquired with 150+ on them, never an engine problem, with the exception of a head gasket on the old '90 Wagoneer at 200 or thereabouts. |
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Quoted: The 3.6 Pentastar is an everything engine. FCA seriously put that engine in a huge range of products from the Challenger and Charger up through the Wrangler and Grand Cherokee and even half ton pickups. And yes, it also went in the Caravan and Pacifica, but calling it a "minivan engine" when it appeared in such a huge portfolio of products is pure fuckery. Whether or not you like the Pentastar V6, and whether or not you like Chrysler, it's hard to debate the fact that the 3.6L Pentastar is probably the most versatile engine of the 2010s. View Quote People who call it a minivan engine think they're edgy and that it makes me feel sad. In reality, it demonstrates their ignorance. Let them flap their gums. It's an xlnt engine. |
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Quoted: I'll be interested . The slant 6s were damn near bombproof View Quote My first hand me down car in high school was a Chrysler Cordoba with a slant 6. That engine failed, I did a junk yard replacement and it failed, and did an AutoZone rebuild which failed after a 1,000 miles. When the engines did work I was not impressed with the 85 hp they had pushing a 3500lb vehicle. The AutoZone rebuild was garbage right out of the gate. Within a couple hundred miles it was making a ticking sound. I had to go to a specific shop they required who found nuts had come close in the head and there were bent valves and lifters. Their fix was to tighten the nuts and return it to me. Less than 2,000 miles on it and the engine seized up. AutoZone claimed since I didn't use their recommended shop to have it installed the warranty was null and void. There was no requirement of which shop could do the install when I purchased it. Fuck AutoZone. |
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Quoted: Exactly. Chrysler drops a new inline six.... I sleep. Toyota drops a new inline six..... The world perks up. Or Nissan View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: But it is still a Chrysler. Exactly. Chrysler drops a new inline six.... I sleep. Toyota drops a new inline six..... The world perks up. Or Nissan I don't think Toyota or Nissan have had an inline 6 for a while. I would love to see some more I6's, Toyota is using a BMW engine in the Supra... |
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Quoted: Until you factor in that the inline 4.0 was a 500k+ motor regularly , what is teh gasoline/diesel/energy cost to make a new engine? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They never should have killed off the 4.0. One of the most bombproof engines ever made. ETA: first thing I would do is delete all that EGR crap. It was never going to make the economy and emissions figures required or a modern engine, it was 150-200 pounds overweight and it’s grossly underpowered. Until you factor in that the inline 4.0 was a 500k+ motor regularly , what is teh gasoline/diesel/energy cost to make a new engine? "Regularly?" lol It's a very safe bet that well over 80% of 4.0s went to the junk yard with less than half that mileage on them, mostly just because that's the way the world works. The rest of the vehicle gets clapped out, it goes to the yard, and the engine goes with it. Some of those 4.0s got pulled from the yard to live again, but odds are, most of those were used to replace... other 4.0s. If you want to tell anecdotes, here's the story of a 3.6 Pentastar that lasted 626k miles in a Ram Promaster work van: https://www.thedrive.com/news/34672/check-out-how-surprisingly-durable-this-chrysler-pentastar-v6-is-after-626000-miles |
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Quoted: "Regularly?" lol It's a very safe bet that well over 80% of 4.0s went to the junk yard with less than half that mileage on them, mostly just because that's the way the world works. The rest of the vehicle gets clapped out, it goes to the yard, and the engine goes with it. Some of those 4.0s got pulled from the yard to live again, but odds are, most of those were used to replace... other 4.0s. If you want to tell anecdotes, here's the story of a 3.6 Pentastar that lasted 626k miles in a Ram Promaster work van: https://www.thedrive.com/news/34672/check-out-how-surprisingly-durable-this-chrysler-pentastar-v6-is-after-626000-miles View Quote obviously means "most 3.6's last 600k+ miles" |
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Quoted: That's an interesting take. EGR systems have been on gasoline engines for decades, and they don't cause many problems. Deleting it would likely require thousands of dollars in hardware and tuning, and even if you somehow still think it's worth it, that stuff probably won't be available as the vendors producing it have been dick slapped hard by the EPA. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: They never should have killed off the 4.0. One of the most bombproof engines ever made. ETA: first thing I would do is delete all that EGR crap. That's an interesting take. EGR systems have been on gasoline engines for decades, and they don't cause many problems. Deleting it would likely require thousands of dollars in hardware and tuning, and even if you somehow still think it's worth it, that stuff probably won't be available as the vendors producing it have been dick slapped hard by the EPA. EGR absolutely DOES causes problems, in the form of heavy deposits on intake valves, in modern engines. If by "thousands" you mean $500 for a tuner and a couple of block off plates, then yes. |
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The specs will be interesting to see… I like inline 6s, add a couple turbos and even more so! My 4.0 HO Wrangler is severely under powered at the factory new 190/235 rating, with abysmal fuel economy too!
There are plenty of legendary I6s, from domestics like the GM 258, Ford 300, & Jeep 4.0, to Japanese engines like the RB26DETT & 2JZ GTE, and even European engines like the S54. Then there’s the Cummins engine lineage that started with the 6BT. I6 engines have fewer components than their V counterparts, are inherently torquey, and don’t have the same vibration issues. |
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Quoted: EGR absolutely DOES causes problems, in the form of heavy deposits on intake valves, in modern engines. If by "thousands" you mean $500 for a tuner and a couple of block off plates, then yes. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They never should have killed off the 4.0. One of the most bombproof engines ever made. ETA: first thing I would do is delete all that EGR crap. That's an interesting take. EGR systems have been on gasoline engines for decades, and they don't cause many problems. Deleting it would likely require thousands of dollars in hardware and tuning, and even if you somehow still think it's worth it, that stuff probably won't be available as the vendors producing it have been dick slapped hard by the EPA. EGR absolutely DOES causes problems, in the form of heavy deposits on intake valves, in modern engines. If by "thousands" you mean $500 for a tuner and a couple of block off plates, then yes. That's a problem with DI only engines. Port injected and dual injected engines don't generally have that problem. |
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It’s the steaming pile of Stellantis that comes with it that makes it a no dawg for me. Don’t care how great an engine it is.
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Quoted: I don't think Toyota or Nissan have had an inline 6 for a while. I would love to see some more I6's, Toyota is using a BMW engine in the Supra... View Quote That's why I said if either of those two dropped a new one people would notice. Legendary engines. No one cares is Chrysler and whoever owns them at this point puts out a new engine. |
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I'm not sure why people are shocked by this. There are multiple other car manufacturers using a similar inline 6 with single or dual turbos to good use in a large portion of the vehicle line up.
Those whining about power figures need to do some research. The X3M uses a nearly identical engine to this (3.0l and twin turbo) to push over 500hp. So yes, the performance is DEFINITELY there. A Ram 1500 with a 5.7 Hemi pushing 395 hp could swap directly to a new TT I6, have over 400hp (similar to the newest ecoboosts from Ford), increase gas mileage and yet probably shave .5 to 1 second off it's 0-60 time because of the better torque band. They'd literally be stupid NOT to do this. |
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Turbo straight sixes make stupid torque. Look at some YouTube videos where they turbo charged a 292 Chevy and it’s Amazing. I like the design where the intake and exhaust are on different sides of the cylinder head. Makes it easier to flow. I’m very interested to hear the numbers for hp/tq.
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Quoted: Lol @ using 3.0L and 2 turbos to eek out 400HP. And thats probably at the crank with no accessories. You can get a used honda motor and 1 turbo and be putting out 475 to the wheels. View Quote You don't think a tune can help with that? I mean I'm sure you do, but you'd rather be on the side of ignorance. |
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Quoted: They never should have killed off the 4.0. One of the most bombproof engines ever made. ETA: first thing I would do is delete all that EGR crap. View Quote HOW TRUE THIS IS! I put 265,000 miles on one in a 93 Grand Cherokee. Had plenty of other issues, but not a moments problem with the basic engine other than it burned a little oil when I sold that GC. |
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Quoted: You say that, but the 3.6 v-6 is a very reliable motor. It's been around for a decade and has an excellent reputation. It replaced another good motor, the 4.0 I-6. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: But it is still a Chrysler. You say that, but the 3.6 v-6 is a very reliable motor. It's been around for a decade and has an excellent reputation. It replaced another good motor, the 4.0 I-6. Let’s not forget the 5.9 Cummins and the current 6.7 Cummins. Chrysler has a history of putting fantastic inline 6’s in their Jeeps and Dodge trucks. |
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Quoted: Let’s not forget the 5.9 Cummins and the current 6.7 Cummins. Chrysler has a history of putting fantastic inline 6’s in their Jeeps and Dodge trucks. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: But it is still a Chrysler. You say that, but the 3.6 v-6 is a very reliable motor. It's been around for a decade and has an excellent reputation. It replaced another good motor, the 4.0 I-6. Let’s not forget the 5.9 Cummins and the current 6.7 Cummins. Chrysler has a history of putting fantastic inline 6’s in their Jeeps and Dodge trucks. To be fair, the diesels in dodge trucks aren’t designed or built exclusively by mopar. Not to take away that Cummins builds solid engines. |
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Glad I ordered my new Wrangler with the Mercedes-designed Pentastar before they introduced some new Chrysler shit under the hood.
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Quoted: My 4.6 stroker does alright. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/171820/Capture_JPG-2275508.JPG View Quote |
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Quoted: They can be a problem if they carbon up and stick open, but they are cheap and easy to replace. Never a real issue. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: That's an interesting take. EGR systems have been on gasoline engines for decades, and they don't cause many problems. Deleting it would likely require thousands of dollars in hardware and tuning, and even if you somehow still think it's worth it, that stuff probably won't be available as the vendors producing it have been dick slapped hard by the EPA. They can be a problem if they carbon up and stick open, but they are cheap and easy to replace. Never a real issue. Tell that to the owner of an EGR equipped turbo diesel, lol. It causes a shit ton of problems. Same for DI gas engines. They seem to be pretty trouble-free on non-DI gas engines though. |
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It must be one hell of an engine if they decided to adopt an inline 6 which is typically a packaging disaster.
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