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He needs to seek a diplomatic solution and give up some land area. Not our war, after the thing is over he can join NATO. It is a money pit, how much do we spend, 50 billion. 100 billion, 500 billion, how much is enough, dam thing could go on for 10 more years.
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Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Large swaths here get a lot of satisfaction in bad news happening to Ukraine/Ukrainians just because of their hate for Zelenskyy. I think his age had a huge factor in "now is the time to step it up". He has his goals (not Russia's goals) and at 70+, he can't keep playing the long game. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: But that's patently untrue. Originally Posted By colklink: IMO, longterm, had Putin continued that course, eventually Russia probably could have peeled western Europe away from the US. Eastern Europe isn't as dumb. But Putin couldn't stay the course for whatever reason. But the comment of people wanting Ukrainians do die just because they are Ukrainians is still untrue. |
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The US doesn’t spend money on wars to win. So I am not even sure what he is talking about.
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That whiny little dancer boy who can't find a suit needs to shut his mouth and move on to another gig.
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Originally Posted By borderpatrol: I don't care if we support them for 20 more years. Killing Russians should be a priority for anyone who cares about civility and respecting borders. My God rain down Hellfire on V. Putin's bedroom at 3:00 a.m. View Quote Are we supporting Ukraine, or could it be the 96 pharmaceutical corporations that “just so happen” to be present in the relatively very small country? |
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Originally Posted By Rocky41: He needs to seek a diplomatic solution and give up some land area. Not our war, after the thing is over he can join NATO. It is a money pit, how much do we spend, 50 billion. 100 billion, 500 billion, how much is enough, dam thing could go on for 10 more years. View Quote What diplomatic solution? Why would Russia negotiate or accept a partial victory when they have a clear path to complete victory through military means? I've asked this many times without a good answer, and the answer gets even farther out of reach over time: how can Putin be induced to negotiate anything other than a Ukrainian surrender? Even if there were an answer to that question, here's another one that's hard to answer: what could possibly guarantee security for a rump Ukraine in the future? The simple answer is NATO membership for rump Ukraine, but how could you get Putin to accept that? There is ZERO basis for a diplomatic solution at this point in time. Everybody knows that it only means a total Ukrainian surrender. So let's ask the question the other way: how could you induce Zelensky to surrender? |
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: What diplomatic solution? Why would Russia negotiate or accept a partial victory when they have a clear path to complete victory through military means? I've asked this many times without a good answer, and the answer gets even farther out of reach over time: how can Putin be induced to negotiate anything other than a Ukrainian surrender? Even if there were an answer to that question, here's another one that's hard to answer: what could possibly guarantee security for a rump Ukraine in the future? The simple answer is NATO membership for rump Ukraine, but how could you get Putin to accept that? There is ZERO basis for a diplomatic solution at this point in time. Everybody knows that it only means a total Ukrainian surrender. So let's ask the question the other way: how could you induce Zelensky to surrender? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: But that's patently untrue. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Originally Posted By Cypher15: Originally Posted By STRIKE504: Are we responsible for stopping all the other genocides currently on going? Are you emotionally hysterical about the genocide in Burma, China, Ethiopia, South Sudan, and Syria as well? Biggest problem is many in this thread actively support Russia killing Ukrainians because they are Ukrainian. But that's patently untrue. Emotional arguments are emotional. |
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Originally Posted By Natty_Bumppo: had we never started fucking around 10 years ago, this whole thing probably wouldn't have happened View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Natty_Bumppo: Originally Posted By Explorer225: Had we never intervened this nonsense would have already been over. had we never started fucking around 10 years ago, this whole thing probably wouldn't have happened Both of you are correct. |
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: What diplomatic solution? Why would Russia negotiate or accept a partial victory when they have a clear path to complete victory through military means? I've asked this many times without a good answer, and the answer gets even farther out of reach over time: how can Putin be induced to negotiate anything other than a Ukrainian surrender? Even if there were an answer to that question, here's another one that's hard to answer: what could possibly guarantee security for a rump Ukraine in the future? The simple answer is NATO membership for rump Ukraine, but how could you get Putin to accept that? There is ZERO basis for a diplomatic solution at this point in time. Everybody knows that it only means a total Ukrainian surrender. So let's ask the question the other way: how could you induce Zelensky to surrender? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Rocky41: He needs to seek a diplomatic solution and give up some land area. Not our war, after the thing is over he can join NATO. It is a money pit, how much do we spend, 50 billion. 100 billion, 500 billion, how much is enough, dam thing could go on for 10 more years. What diplomatic solution? Why would Russia negotiate or accept a partial victory when they have a clear path to complete victory through military means? I've asked this many times without a good answer, and the answer gets even farther out of reach over time: how can Putin be induced to negotiate anything other than a Ukrainian surrender? Even if there were an answer to that question, here's another one that's hard to answer: what could possibly guarantee security for a rump Ukraine in the future? The simple answer is NATO membership for rump Ukraine, but how could you get Putin to accept that? There is ZERO basis for a diplomatic solution at this point in time. Everybody knows that it only means a total Ukrainian surrender. So let's ask the question the other way: how could you induce Zelensky to surrender? This. The people who have lived it, said from day 1 that Ukraine was on borrowed time...that the clock was ticking and all Russia had to do was run out the clock. The west will shift its ADHD focus, run out of money, run out of gear, and Ukraine will be set up for a grand fall... Now...they are about to fall. Not a shock to anyone with a history book. |
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: What diplomatic solution? Why would Russia negotiate or accept a partial victory when they have a clear path to complete victory through military means? I've asked this many times without a good answer, and the answer gets even farther out of reach over time: how can Putin be induced to negotiate anything other than a Ukrainian surrender? Even if there were an answer to that question, here's another one that's hard to answer: what could possibly guarantee security for a rump Ukraine in the future? The simple answer is NATO membership for rump Ukraine, but how could you get Putin to accept that? There is ZERO basis for a diplomatic solution at this point in time. Everybody knows that it only means a total Ukrainian surrender. So let's ask the question the other way: how could you induce Zelensky to surrender? View Quote From Russia's point of view or the US? |
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Sounds like a you problem….. Enjoy changing the signage back to Kiev…..
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Originally Posted By HecklerKac: Some of us are under 40 and have a lot of life left to live. We dont want this shit anymore. No more US tax dollars. No more aid. Same goes for Israel. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HecklerKac: Originally Posted By borderpatrol: Originally Posted By ARowner: How many years do they want us to support them? 5 more? 15? I don't care if we support them for 20 more years. Killing Russians should be a priority for anyone who cares about civility and respecting borders. My God rain down Hellfire on V. Putin's bedroom at 3:00 a.m. Some of us are under 40 and have a lot of life left to live. We dont want this shit anymore. No more US tax dollars. No more aid. Same goes for Israel. Yup. This whole thing is just fossilized politicians wanting more kickbacks, and their nearly equally fossilized voters selfishly wasting the resources of the people actually paying for it so they can massage their Cold War boner that the propaganda got rigid again. For the most part nobody under the age of 40 gives a damn about the former Soviet Union fighting the former Soviet Union. They already ruined so much of this country’s future with their deranged COVID hysteria because they’ll eagerly sacrifice the younger generations’ prosperity just to remain existing for a moment longer. Now they’re eager to throw us off into a nightmarish WWI-meets-Terminator meat grinder none of them had to endure so they can have Rambo-gasms of killing them damn Rooskies in their final years. It’s sick how we’re ruled by the senile. |
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Europe's problem is Europe's problem. Let them work it out.
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Originally Posted By fadedsun: They have the ability to win, incorrect. Russia claims all of Ukraine. They've lost dang near half a million men in 2 years of the 2 day war, I mean not a war. Just don't call it a war because they will throw you in prison over that. Agreed. I'm under 40 also. I have a lot of life left to live. Send the aid View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By cancard: News Flash: He’s not going to win regardless. They have the ability to win, incorrect. Russia claims all of Ukraine. They've lost dang near half a million men in 2 years of the 2 day war, I mean not a war. Just don't call it a war because they will throw you in prison over that. Originally Posted By Haub: This. ^^ Agreed. Originally Posted By HecklerKac: Some of us are under 40 and have a lot of life left to live. We dont want this shit anymore. No more US tax dollars. No more aid. Same goes for Israel. I'm under 40 also. I have a lot of life left to live. Send the aid Send yourself. Why aren’t you doing your part? Just getting paid by the taxpayer, while also wanting to send more of the taxpayer money over to foreigners. You could either try contributing to this country, or at least go contribute to your favorite country and serve Comrade Z. |
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Originally Posted By VeryAverage: Yup. This whole thing is just fossilized politicians wanting more kickbacks, and their nearly equally fossilized voters selfishly wasting the resources of the people actually paying for it so they can massage their Cold War boner that the propaganda got rigid again. For the most part nobody under the age of 40 gives a damn about the former Soviet Union fighting the former Soviet Union. They already ruined so much of this country’s future with their deranged COVID hysteria because they’ll eagerly sacrifice the younger generations’ prosperity just to remain existing for a moment longer. Now they’re eager to throw us off into a nightmarish WWI-meets-Terminator meat grinder none of them had to endure so they can have Rambo-gasms of killing them damn Rooskies in their final years. It’s sick how we’re ruled by the senile. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By VeryAverage: Originally Posted By HecklerKac: Originally Posted By borderpatrol: Originally Posted By ARowner: How many years do they want us to support them? 5 more? 15? I don't care if we support them for 20 more years. Killing Russians should be a priority for anyone who cares about civility and respecting borders. My God rain down Hellfire on V. Putin's bedroom at 3:00 a.m. Some of us are under 40 and have a lot of life left to live. We dont want this shit anymore. No more US tax dollars. No more aid. Same goes for Israel. Yup. This whole thing is just fossilized politicians wanting more kickbacks, and their nearly equally fossilized voters selfishly wasting the resources of the people actually paying for it so they can massage their Cold War boner that the propaganda got rigid again. For the most part nobody under the age of 40 gives a damn about the former Soviet Union fighting the former Soviet Union. They already ruined so much of this country’s future with their deranged COVID hysteria because they’ll eagerly sacrifice the younger generations’ prosperity just to remain existing for a moment longer. Now they’re eager to throw us off into a nightmarish WWI-meets-Terminator meat grinder none of them had to endure so they can have Rambo-gasms of killing them damn Rooskies in their final years. It’s sick how we’re ruled by the senile. Hear Hear!!! |
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They never had a chance to begin with.
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Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Both of you are correct. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By Natty_Bumppo: Originally Posted By Explorer225: Had we never intervened this nonsense would have already been over. had we never started fucking around 10 years ago, this whole thing probably wouldn't have happened Both of you are correct. Attached File |
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Only a matter of time. They were never going to win. I wonder if Biden will still offer him that ride out?
The Odessa AssBandit couldn’t blast his way through enough Russians on his own. |
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: What diplomatic solution? Why would Russia negotiate or accept a partial victory when they have a clear path to complete victory through military means? I've asked this many times without a good answer, and the answer gets even farther out of reach over time: how can Putin be induced to negotiate anything other than a Ukrainian surrender? Even if there were an answer to that question, here's another one that's hard to answer: what could possibly guarantee security for a rump Ukraine in the future? The simple answer is NATO membership for rump Ukraine, but how could you get Putin to accept that? There is ZERO basis for a diplomatic solution at this point in time. Everybody knows that it only means a total Ukrainian surrender. So let's ask the question the other way: how could you induce Zelensky to surrender? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Rocky41: He needs to seek a diplomatic solution and give up some land area. Not our war, after the thing is over he can join NATO. It is a money pit, how much do we spend, 50 billion. 100 billion, 500 billion, how much is enough, dam thing could go on for 10 more years. What diplomatic solution? Why would Russia negotiate or accept a partial victory when they have a clear path to complete victory through military means? I've asked this many times without a good answer, and the answer gets even farther out of reach over time: how can Putin be induced to negotiate anything other than a Ukrainian surrender? Even if there were an answer to that question, here's another one that's hard to answer: what could possibly guarantee security for a rump Ukraine in the future? The simple answer is NATO membership for rump Ukraine, but how could you get Putin to accept that? There is ZERO basis for a diplomatic solution at this point in time. Everybody knows that it only means a total Ukrainian surrender. So let's ask the question the other way: how could you induce Zelensky to surrender? It's quite simple. Ukraine can sue for peace and maybe get a temporary reprieve, or Ukraine can continue throwing bodies and equipment at the sunk cost. I suppose Ukraine could escalate to more attacks inside Russia, and see how that works out for them. |
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When this is finally over, will we ever see a dime of the literally countless millions, if not billions, we have given them?
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Originally Posted By Cypher15: Yea, and Russia would be well into its genocide plans. At least Arfcom is open about its support for that now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Cypher15: Originally Posted By Explorer225: Had we never intervened this nonsense would have already been over. So what..UKR was known for mobsters, every crypto scam invented and lots of CP servers.. |
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Originally Posted By Butternut: When this is finally over, will we ever see a dime of the literally countless millions, if not billions, we have given them? View Quote I don't know if we will ever get any of it back. Usually that doesnt happen when old people wire money to ukraine. But we could probably see some of it again by looking at zelensky's mansions on google street view lol |
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Originally Posted By VeryAverage: Yup. This whole thing is just fossilized politicians wanting more kickbacks, and their nearly equally fossilized voters selfishly wasting the resources of the people actually paying for it so they can massage their Cold War boner that the propaganda got rigid again. For the most part nobody under the age of 40 gives a damn about the former Soviet Union fighting the former Soviet Union. They already ruined so much of this country’s future with their deranged COVID hysteria because they’ll eagerly sacrifice the younger generations’ prosperity just to remain existing for a moment longer. Now they’re eager to throw us off into a nightmarish WWI-meets-Terminator meat grinder none of them had to endure so they can have Rambo-gasms of killing them damn Rooskies in their final years. It’s sick how we’re ruled by the senile. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By VeryAverage: Originally Posted By HecklerKac: Originally Posted By borderpatrol: Originally Posted By ARowner: How many years do they want us to support them? 5 more? 15? I don't care if we support them for 20 more years. Killing Russians should be a priority for anyone who cares about civility and respecting borders. My God rain down Hellfire on V. Putin's bedroom at 3:00 a.m. Some of us are under 40 and have a lot of life left to live. We dont want this shit anymore. No more US tax dollars. No more aid. Same goes for Israel. Yup. This whole thing is just fossilized politicians wanting more kickbacks, and their nearly equally fossilized voters selfishly wasting the resources of the people actually paying for it so they can massage their Cold War boner that the propaganda got rigid again. For the most part nobody under the age of 40 gives a damn about the former Soviet Union fighting the former Soviet Union. They already ruined so much of this country’s future with their deranged COVID hysteria because they’ll eagerly sacrifice the younger generations’ prosperity just to remain existing for a moment longer. Now they’re eager to throw us off into a nightmarish WWI-meets-Terminator meat grinder none of them had to endure so they can have Rambo-gasms of killing them damn Rooskies in their final years. It’s sick how we’re ruled by the senile. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: But that's patently untrue. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Originally Posted By Cypher15: Originally Posted By STRIKE504: Are we responsible for stopping all the other genocides currently on going? Are you emotionally hysterical about the genocide in Burma, China, Ethiopia, South Sudan, and Syria as well? Biggest problem is many in this thread actively support Russia killing Ukrainians because they are Ukrainian. But that's patently untrue. That statement could be freudrian projection. The pro ukraine posters are always saying odd stuff like "Stacking dead russians is the best thing my taxes have been spent on" (actual quote from page 1 of the mike johnson thread) |
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: What diplomatic solution? Why would Russia negotiate or accept a partial victory when they have a clear path to complete victory through military means? I've asked this many times without a good answer, and the answer gets even farther out of reach over time: how can Putin be induced to negotiate anything other than a Ukrainian surrender? Even if there were an answer to that question, here's another one that's hard to answer: what could possibly guarantee security for a rump Ukraine in the future? The simple answer is NATO membership for rump Ukraine, but how could you get Putin to accept that? There is ZERO basis for a diplomatic solution at this point in time. Everybody knows that it only means a total Ukrainian surrender. So let's ask the question the other way: how could you induce Zelensky to surrender? View Quote Well when he runs out of soldiers willing to die for a lost cause for one. That's when he leaves the country with his cash to go live in Switzerland and the Ukrainians that are left are forced to deal with the aftermath of surrender. |
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: What diplomatic solution? Why would Russia negotiate or accept a partial victory when they have a clear path to complete victory through military means? I've asked this many times without a good answer, and the answer gets even farther out of reach over time: how can Putin be induced to negotiate anything other than a Ukrainian surrender? Even if there were an answer to that question, here's another one that's hard to answer: what could possibly guarantee security for a rump Ukraine in the future? The simple answer is NATO membership for rump Ukraine, but how could you get Putin to accept that? There is ZERO basis for a diplomatic solution at this point in time. Everybody knows that it only means a total Ukrainian surrender. So let's ask the question the other way: how could you induce Zelensky to surrender? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Rocky41: He needs to seek a diplomatic solution and give up some land area. Not our war, after the thing is over he can join NATO. It is a money pit, how much do we spend, 50 billion. 100 billion, 500 billion, how much is enough, dam thing could go on for 10 more years. What diplomatic solution? Why would Russia negotiate or accept a partial victory when they have a clear path to complete victory through military means? I've asked this many times without a good answer, and the answer gets even farther out of reach over time: how can Putin be induced to negotiate anything other than a Ukrainian surrender? Even if there were an answer to that question, here's another one that's hard to answer: what could possibly guarantee security for a rump Ukraine in the future? The simple answer is NATO membership for rump Ukraine, but how could you get Putin to accept that? There is ZERO basis for a diplomatic solution at this point in time. Everybody knows that it only means a total Ukrainian surrender. So let's ask the question the other way: how could you induce Zelensky to surrender? There’s no Ukrainian path the victory either. So how many more billions do we waste? |
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Originally Posted By VeryAverage: Send yourself. Why aren’t you doing your part? Just getting paid by the taxpayer, while also wanting to send more of the taxpayer money over to foreigners. You could either try contributing to this country, or at least go contribute to your favorite country and serve Comrade Z. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By VeryAverage: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By cancard: News Flash: He’s not going to win regardless. They have the ability to win, incorrect. Russia claims all of Ukraine. They've lost dang near half a million men in 2 years of the 2 day war, I mean not a war. Just don't call it a war because they will throw you in prison over that. Originally Posted By Haub: This. ^^ Agreed. Originally Posted By HecklerKac: Some of us are under 40 and have a lot of life left to live. We dont want this shit anymore. No more US tax dollars. No more aid. Same goes for Israel. I'm under 40 also. I have a lot of life left to live. Send the aid Send yourself. Why aren’t you doing your part? Just getting paid by the taxpayer, while also wanting to send more of the taxpayer money over to foreigners. You could either try contributing to this country, or at least go contribute to your favorite country and serve Comrade Z. BuT hAz U bEn 2 TeH bOrDeR??? |
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Schumer has already called the Zman. “Your check is in the mail next week bro”
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Originally Posted By BroomSlayer: Pop Quiz hot shot. Which one has the greater impact on your life? The border? Or the Donbass? But But But WAT BOUT UKWAINE!!!! The DOOONBASSSSS!!! CRY-ME-AH fucking river... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BroomSlayer: Originally Posted By STRIKE504: BuT hAz U bEn 2 TeH bOrDeR??? Pop Quiz hot shot. Which one has the greater impact on your life? The border? Or the Donbass? But But But WAT BOUT UKWAINE!!!! The DOOONBASSSSS!!! CRY-ME-AH fucking river... Recalibrate your sarcasm meter my guy and maybe switch to decaf. |
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Originally Posted By Tuco22: Originally Posted By BroomSlayer: Pop Quiz hot shot. Which one has the greater impact on your life? The border? Or the Donbass? But But But WAT BOUT UKWAINE!!!! The DOOONBASSSSS!!! CRY-ME-AH fucking river... Friendly fire. That shits pretty funny though 😂 |
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one thing the last two years or so have confirmed for me is that I am surrounded by soft headed, easily swayed 'men' who make emotional decisions.
ironically, these men post memes about weak men creating hard times. |
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Originally Posted By Joe731: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/59227/1698855911241993-3191126.png View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Joe731: Originally Posted By fulminate: one thing the last two years or so have confirmed for me is that I am surrounded by soft headed, easily swayed 'men' who make emotional decisions. ironically, these men post memes about weak men creating hard times. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/59227/1698855911241993-3191126.png Attack on the nuclear family. Then those narratives. Some bear no fault. Ever. Others bear fault. Always. No matter what. |
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Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: But the comment of people wanting Ukrainians do die just because they are Ukrainians is still untrue. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: But the comment of people wanting Ukrainians do die just because they are Ukrainians is still untrue. People on this site? Absolutely. Someone was stating they wanted the holdomor back. In general? There are numerous statements from Russian officials who say that (and others) Originally Posted By OscarD: I mean if you’re gonna beg congress for money you can at least not show up in your gym clothes. Attached File Attached File Someone else wore a military green uniform to the White House. |
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