Arizona Supreme Court upholds 1864 law banning nearly all abortions

The pink hair mafia will be out stuffing ballot boxes this Nov.

I agree with the ruling. Maybe a bit hypocritical, but why couldn't this wait until 2025.

Correct according to the WHO women kill 73-million babies worldwide per year.  Women are the greatest murderers of men.  Women kill twice as many men per year than all the wars combined since 1890.

Neither of you have any idea of what it means to have principles then.

Truth!!

I'm in favor of the 12-15 week ban. I don't believe that a fetus of that age is a baby, a child, a kid, a person or anything else and I'm in the majority whether you like it or not.

White House dispatches Kamala Harris to Arizona: 1864 law banning abortion is set make crucial state the new battleground for reproductive rights... and Democrats are taking full advantage



The White House announced she would be traveling to Tucson later this week shortly after the Arizona Supreme Court upheld the 160-year-old law banning abortion with no exceptions for rape or incest.

The White House said the visit would be to 'continue her leadership in the fight for reproductive freedom.'

It is her second trip to the battleground state of Arizona this year and her fifth time since being sworn into office.

'Last month, the Vice President visited Phoenix, AZ to highlight how extremists in states across the country have proposed and enacted abortion bans that threaten women’s health, force them to travel out of state to receive care, and criminalize doctors,' the White House said.


The Arizona court's 4-2 decision on Tuesday paved the way for enforcement of one of the strictest abortion bans in the country.

The civil war era law was written nearly fifty years before Arizona became a state and more than fifty years before women had the right to vote.

It mandates two to five years in prison for anyone aiding an abortion, unless the procedure is necessary to save the life of the mother.

Harris has been on a 'Fight for Reproductive Freedom' tour across the country that has included stops in Wisconsin, California, Georgia, Michigan, Arizona and Minnesota.

Last month, she became the first sitting vice president or president to ever visit an abortion clinic with a trip to a Planned Parenthood facility in Minnesota.

'This even more extreme and dangerous ban criminalizes almost all abortion care in the state and puts women’s lives at risk,' Harris said in a statement following the Arizona decision.

Harris slammed former President Trump for his role in nominating three Supreme Court justices that helped overturn Roe with the Dobbs decision in 2022 which returned the issue of abortion to states.

'Arizona just rolled back the clock to a time before women could vote – and, by his own admission, there’s one person responsible: Donald Trump.'



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I guess all of you abortion absolutists will be content clinging to your moral superiority when you're in the bread line handing over $1000 inflated USD for a loaf, then over to the next line to turn over all of your guns for the mandatory 'buy-back' that was put into law by the Dems you let get elected, then head back to your $5k/month 500 sq ft apt out in the sticks where you were pushed out to when the Dems you basically elected into office forced owners of single family home to hand them over to the state to house families of illegal aliens

Buy hey, at least you were able to stop those evil abortions of non-viable, pre-quickening zygotes for a few months back in 2024 right before the next big election . blah blah "a country that doesn't protect its unborn..." blah blah sure is a nice soundbite to have in your head while you're being herded into the cattle cars

I don’t base my convictions on the majority opinion, but I’m glad you find comfort in agreeing with the majority.

Strawman argument.

The point is that the majority has the power in electoral politics, but of course you know that but choose to play dumb on this issue due to emotions.

MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR LIFETIMES! LOOK AT THE POLLS!

Do you really think this fearmongering nonsense works on anything but retarded boomers glued to Fox News any longer?

I was promised that I would be steamrolled by socialists and put in a FEMA camp if Trump lost in 2020. I was also promised endless winning if Trump won in 2016.

Republicans aren't going to stop anything. They'll push us down that same path. They have been.

This was not an "abortion bad" ruling, it was "is this law that was never repealed in force?" ruling.

The Government and some judges are also trying to ignore the 1873 Comstock Act which makes it illegal to mail abortifacients in the mifepristone cases.

Do we want to go down the route of "old" meaning implicitly repealed or unenforcible?  Lots of things are much older than 1864.  The Bill of Rights including the 2nd Amendment was ratified in 1791.

You ok?

Yep. I haven't been registered as a Republican for over a decade now. It's the independent life for me.

Not really.

It has been proven time and time again.

You have to pick the time and place of your battles for complete success.

Just like in combat.

The bottom line is we will lose AZ due to this issue and then abortion will be legal by law as passed by the dems because they will control the AZ govt and nothing will be gained and many other things lost.

and to get a consensus for a new constitution, anti-slavery was NOT included in the Bill of Rights because it would have prevented the Constitution from passinhg

Convictions!=emotions

Everyone else’s beliefs are based on emotions but yours are based on what?

Going out on a limb here...you're a fellow Steve Deace listener, aren't you?

"LOOK AT THE POLLS!"    

Thats simple, just shut your mouth for an election cycle or two. Then try to do what you want. You dont need to change your position, you just need to shut up about it for a little bit.

You’re wrong.

Furthermore… Being in the majority doesn’t make you morally right, as you demonstrate.

If you don't win election to office, any "platform" or "program" is moot.

Those who win elections write the laws.  
Those who lose elections do not.

Bigger_Hammer

Uhhh, I don't think pre-20th century America is what you should point to as a beacon of morality, bro.

Things were hunky dory as long as you were white, male, wealthy, and born here.  Everybody else had it rough.  I know Christians love to take credit for shaping American culture but they ignore the bits about slavery and the treatment of women/immigrants.

Thanks for putting your lack of morals on display for all to see.

You believe Americans will be more receptive to “evil conservative” ways if no one mentions abortion for a decade or so?

You don’t believe the MSM and dems will just attach a new evil that will then need to be “shut up about”?

At what point do you just become them?

Sure sounds like you where one of the ones who did not vote in VA. I am sure the rest of the state thanks you.

This right here. If it is just a matter of saying what they want to hear to when the election and throwing away any morals ov values, I have no desire to win. Even if it means expediting the destruction of this nation....

I did not say a decade, or even 2 years in this post. Use a little common sense here, the thread is about AZ having this come out right before an an election, a presidential election. In this case shut up for about 8 months or so.

Ok, after 8mo, what’s the plan?

The American abolitionist movement started by, heavily influenced by, and largely led by Christians.

No one is suggesting the GOP candidates change all of their positions to mirror the Democrats candidates.

Just this one for a possible win today.

Then another for a win tomorrow.

So on and so forth.

Oh yes it did, The told them one thing, then voted another. Abortion is the reason there was no Red Tsunami in 2022. Women want their right to choose whether they say they do or not.

Reading comprehension isn't you're strong suit, clearly.

No, when  you're campaigning, don't say anything about it, dont campaign on it. It's a losing proposition in the campaign.

Republicans are the dog that caught the car. Now they do not know what to do with it. Crazy to see people like Kari Lake, who supported the law earlier, now claiming it goes to far. They are seeing the moderate base riled up and they are scared. Frankly I see more people riled up now against the abortion restrictions than I see people riled up against gun restrictions. The Democrats openly claim now their desire to ban guns and it is hurting them less and less. Meanwhile the Republicans are pushing for a nationwide limit on abortion and it is not looking to good for them outside their deep red core supporters.

Going to be an interesting election this year...

No it cant

If you want to win the war, you have to know how to fight the war,

Right now, Republicans with the abortion issue are the British on the Somme.

Because they dont run on it as a primary campaign focus.

Look at the Dems that have in the past elections, they lost.

REPORTER: "Did Arizona go too far?"

TRUMP: "Yeah, they did — that'll be straightened out. As you know, it's all about state's rights. It'll be straightened out. I'm sure that the governor and everybody else are going bring it back to within reason."pic.twitter.com/UxusTO3Avd

Breaking911  (@Breaking911) April 10, 2024

Abortion is a constitutional right......somewhere in the Constitution. The penumbras and such. This is America; we don't need due process of law before killing another human being.

We need to have abortion accessible and convenient for women. We should put one in each Starbucks so the woman can get her latte and murder her baby all in one convenient fucking stop.

All Part of Thr RINOs plans. See Paul Ryan/ McCain.

good, she seems to fuck up everything she touches

Leave it to the states. The people in each state are deciding.

In AZ and want an abortion, go to a neighboring state

So you are just giving up and surrendering, got it.

Of course there is nuance in that less dead babies is preferable to more dead babies. We can vote for the lesser of two evils where we have the option.

However , when we have to start exchanging human lives for political slots it is a system that is already damned fail.

The reason all this seems coordinated ..like a single mastermind is behind the DNC and half the RNC ...is because there is.
Spiritual darkness loves death and suffering ..it needs America to fall because America is/ was a (imperfect) force for liberty and light.
One timeless strategy to crush nations is to get them to damn themselves though sexual hedonism and the murder of the innocent.

Or work toward changing AZ laws by electing people who aren't in favor of a complete ban.

I think his point is more that this is less "less dead babies," than it is "zero less dead babies for 10 months or so in AZ, then a ton of more dead babies in the whole country for a loooong time to come."

ETA:  Fixed the above, since the article in the OP mentions that there will not actually be any enforcement of the law in AZ.

That worked out really well with gay marriage.

And I really could give .0087 cents about that. I do feel marriage is between a man and woman, but its a piece of paper that can make their life hell when they divorce. Let them have it as it does not effect me at all. Its a state issued piece of paper, signed by a politician, big fn deal.

The moment marriage became a tax status the clock started ticking. If the only arguments you can muster are religious ones, the law changing is inevitable. the correct answer on gay marriage was repealing all laws that recognize marriage as a legal status that grants any benefits. Should have remained a religious tradition.

It’s one reason I encourage people to stop quoting scripture in political debates. It’s a losing hand.