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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:33:31 PM EDT
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* Unless you're super deep mudding.. OR recovering someone ELSE out for their own mistake.
But it looks cool. Even the off-road tires are not needed for MOST trails. They absolutely SUCK on frozen/snow conditions. I've driven a STOCK 4 runner (TRD with factory skid plate but never once used the TRD controls) with $150ish? Cheap Chinese snow tires/stock rims up some of the most difficult trials/highest peaks in CO, NV desert, Utah, AZ, etc, in all weather conditions, including deep snow. Trails that make most people NOPE the fukk out. Only real gear worth is is a skid plate AND tire chains. Unpopular opinon. But it's SUPER easy to get mislead by all the off road gear sellers. YOU NEED THIS, you NEED THAT, etc. You really don't. |
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*laughs in 37s and mid travel*
Yeah yeah fire roads are amazing. |
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Next you're going to say that 4x4 snorkel that was permanently installed after cutting a hole in your fender is not needed for the 2" of water crossed every year.
Or the 300lbs of ARB bumpers that haven't touched brush in years. |
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What's wrong, OP? Got "deined" for your annual "offroad access" permit?
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Guns are a waste of money until you need them too.
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Sounds like OP is a poors.
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Guy at work spent $30k on his jeep and looked hardcore off road ready with winch and all. Asked him where he goes offroading and he hasnt taken it out yet he said
His jeep was like this for at least 3 years before I asked. |
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Your trails aren't the same as my trails.
We SINK a Gladiator in the Pine Barrens - Midlife Adventurer |
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Go where there is no path and leave a trail.
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The winch I have had for 20 years and only used once, not because I needed it, but just to see if it still worked.
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Most things in a developed economy aren’t needed.
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"Generally.''
Everything is useless and a waste until you actually use it. |
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Liberals are a curious mix of communism and fascism, they want to destroy you but want to use your own money to do it.
I'm getting down to the last box, the other have all been destroyed... |
A stock trigger and drop in handguard are all that is needed
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I fully agree, and every time I see a heard of overlanders airing down their tires on a "trail" that I just took my wife’s GMC Acadia, and can't help but giggle at them.
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I think the OP has a point. A lot of people would be better off going out and doing stuff than buying random crap.
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Do you feel better OP, now that you got that off your chest?
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If you are actually going off road, a modest recovery kit (appropriately rated strap or two, soft shackles, folding shovel) is a reasonable investment. Much more economical that trying to improvise and ending up putting a hitch ball through someone’s window. Or their head.
If the closest you get to off road it is flexing your suspension on a curb at the mall, then yeah, sure the money. |
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Avatar stolen from Ranger Up.
“ If you rat on the Parade of Hope, you'll be lucky to find your toenails. These guys are the roughest of all the charities.” |
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Go where there is no path and leave a trail.
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See it a lot around here. It's a hobby I guess.
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USN Retired: APR 1988 - MAY 2008
"My center is giving way, my right is falling back, situation excellent, I attack." —Ferdinand Foch |
What have the Romans ever done for us?
TN, USA
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Panem et Circenses
I have also learned from experience that the greater part of our happiness or misery depends upon our dispositions, and not upon our circumstances. |
You need a ladder and a snorkel if you have an SUV.
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My 12,000 lb winch is pretty handy.
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Originally Posted By CplRick:
The line of credit on the Race Card is maxed out, sorry. Originally Posted By refurb: Your life isn't actually longer if you don't drink. It just feels like it is. |
Originally Posted By Andrewsky: I think the OP has a point. A lot of people would be better off going out and doing stuff than buying random crap. View Quote Agree. Think about what our fathers and grandfathers did in stock flatfenders. But I also absolutely do not for a second believe that OP has done the most difficult trails and conditions in UT and CO. |
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I got a 2.5" lift and taller tires and it opened up a whole new world of offroading. It also eliminated the need to use my skid plates...most of the time.
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Originally Posted By Boomer: Agree. Think about what our fathers and grandfathers did in stock flatfenders. But I also absolutely do not for a second believe that OP has done the most difficult trails and conditions in UT and CO. View Quote Or AZ. If he has a standard suspension and no lockers I can GUARANTEE he hasn't. |
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OP is either full of shit or his definition of "difficult trails" and "deep snow" doesn't match up with mine.
Your stock tires wouldn't get up my driveway after November, hard stop. |
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Originally Posted By ParityError: If you are actually going off road, a modest recovery kit (appropriately rated strap or two, soft shackles, folding shovel) is a reasonable investment. Much more economical that trying to improvise and ending up putting a hitch ball through someone's window. Or their head. If the closest you get to off road it is flexing your suspension on a curb at the mall, then yeah, sure the money. View Quote If you venture off road and in remote areas there are some things you should carry for self recovery and tire repair that will make the difference between making it back to civilization on your own or paying someone big $$$ to get you out. |
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USN Retired: APR 1988 - MAY 2008
"My center is giving way, my right is falling back, situation excellent, I attack." —Ferdinand Foch |
USN Retired: APR 1988 - MAY 2008
"My center is giving way, my right is falling back, situation excellent, I attack." —Ferdinand Foch |
I guess you don't run in Baja at high speed. Sorry you have the ppors.
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2" lift on my Frontier 4x4 SV w/ Falken Wildpeak AT3's. Never been disappointed in mud, sugar sand, snow or ice. I did add a second tow hook up front and keep a 20' tow strap under my back seat if needed.
I use said truck for hunting and ski trips. |
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Originally Posted By Rattlehead34: Guy at work spent $30k on his jeep and looked hardcore off road ready with winch and all. Asked him where he goes offroading and he hasnt taken it out yet he said His jeep was like this for at least 3 years before I asked. View Quote I bet 95% of jeeps never go off road. Probably 90% have never even had the 4wd engaged. Around here you are way more likely to see an old F150 or Chevy truck all mudded up. |
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Check out some youtube videos of some of the "trails" in S.E. Oklahoma, and you can see why my truck has 37's, lockers, and a winch. I have my doubts you would get very far without them.
For most people, yes totally unnecessary, but most don't do serious off-roading. |
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"The state is not the solution. It is the problem." --Javier Milei
"If this is how the state treats its law-abiding citizens, it doesn't deserve to have any" --Solzhenitsyn |
Originally Posted By RealityCheck0311: Next you're going to say that 4x4 snorkel that was permanently installed after cutting a hole in your fender is not needed for the 2" of water crossed every year. Or the 300lbs of ARB bumpers that haven't touched brush in years. View Quote I'm a poor so mine is a smittybuilt but I push shit over all the time with it. |
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When you get back to the suck truck with the guy who drives the log skidder and it goes like this; Here we are. Ok... Where's the stuck truck? Down there. (Points) Oh my... |
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Originally Posted By Whiskeyballzzz: 2" lift on my Frontier 4x4 SV w/ Falken Wildpeak AT3's. Never been disappointed in mud, sugar sand, snow or ice. I did add a second tow hook up front and keep a 20' tow strap under my back seat if needed. I use said truck for hunting and ski trips. View Quote Have you practiced self-winching, or do you plan on waiting for some nice person to come along and unstuck you? |
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Go where there is no path and leave a trail.
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Originally Posted By SpacemanSpiff: OP is either full of shit or his definition of "difficult trails" and "deep snow" doesn't match up with mine. Your stock tires wouldn't get up my driveway after November, hard stop. View Quote Attached File |
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"NickGunar, forever welch.
-December 2021" |
Originally Posted By markl32: When you get back to the suck truck with the guy who drives the log skidder and it goes like this; Here we are. Ok... Where's the stuck truck? Down there. (Points) Oh my... View Quote I was quite proud of my accomplishment |
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USN Retired: APR 1988 - MAY 2008
"My center is giving way, my right is falling back, situation excellent, I attack." —Ferdinand Foch |
i had a k2500 suburban 4x4 that i used for rescue in offroad areas. i had all the gear and in 15 years of doing it the only thing i used religiously were the tow straps to drag trees out of the way and some mud ramps twice when i got the front end buried in mud.
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Reality TV or not I like watching stock stuff get recovered on Matt’s Off-road Recovery.
Oh No, Minivan Takes A Bad Turn! |
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Originally Posted By pr24guy: Your trails aren't the same as my trails. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGSRnLUIO4s View Quote I helped 3 stuck vehicles in the Pine Barrens. And, those 3 vehicles did not have any recovery equipment. They were thankful that I did. |
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We've watched Matt's Recovery
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Live your life as you would wish to have lived, when you come to die. Confucius
When words lose their meaning, a people can move neither hand nor foot. Confucius |
No special gear for me BUT I only drive forest roads, atv trails and pavement. I HATE getting mud on my wheelers and usually avoid wet trails all together. 22 Maverick X3 RR. Love the power but don't beat it up.
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Originally Posted By contract: * Unless you're super deep mudding.. OR recovering someone ELSE out for their own mistake. But it looks cool. Even the off-road tires are not needed for MOST trails. They absolutely SUCK on frozen/snow conditions. I've driven a STOCK 4 runner (TRD with factory skid plate but never once used the TRD controls) with $150ish? Cheap Chinese snow tires/stock rims up some of the most difficult trials/highest peaks in CO, NV desert, Utah, AZ, etc, in all weather conditions, including deep snow. Trails that make most people NOPE the fukk out. Only real gear worth is is a skid plate AND tire chains. Unpopular opinon. But it's SUPER easy to get mislead by all the off road gear sellers. YOU NEED THIS, you NEED THAT, etc. You really don't. View Quote I don't disagree. In my teens and early twenties I would take a Volkswagen Squareback places that would make others shit. |
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DeltaElite777: It's not enough to just para bellum. If you really vis pacem, you gotta convince any potential troublemaker that not only can you push their shit in Genghis Khan-style, but you will.
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Originally Posted By ParityError: If you are actually going off road, a modest recovery kit (appropriately rated strap or two, soft shackles, folding shovel) is a reasonable investment. Much more economical that trying to improvise and ending up putting a hitch ball through someone’s window. Or their head. If the closest you get to off road it is flexing your suspension on a curb at the mall, then yeah, sure the money. View Quote This. If you're actually off roading, some recovery equipment and capability improvements are a good investment. I see tons of Wranglers and Brocos all set up for off roading/overlanding around here. Lifted, roof racks, mud tires, brush guards, skid protection. The vast majority are spotless and have perfect paint. It's just an esthetic to most people. There's not many places around here to go wheeling, it can't possibly be THAT popular. I'm sure my 3 series has been "off road" more than most of these Wranglers. |
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I could have used a set of traction mats, messing around in the snow a couple of times. A winch would be nice also, but I don't think I would use in much. I don't do a lot of "off roading" anymore, but I do occasionally duffer my way into a jam every now and then.
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Sounds a lot like a CCW.
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Originally Posted By Andrewsky: I think the OP has a point. A lot of people would be better off going out and doing stuff than buying random crap. View Quote No doubt about it, across many interests and hobbies. We here in the United States are collectors and tinkerers... keeps our economy going |
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I'll agree that there are a ton of people (especially the "car culture" segment of the overland crowd) who carry a bunch of shit they don't need because they have seen others with it and want to look the part.
I'll disagree in that if you go places solo, one save can make the gear worth every penny and more. EX: My $400 traction boards that I've only used once despite ~2500miles off road in 2023. That one time they got me out was WAY cheaper than getting in touch with a recovery service by sat messenger to come get me. |
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Originally Posted By contract: * Unless you're super deep mudding.. OR recovering someone ELSE out for their own mistake. But it looks cool. Even the off-road tires are not needed for MOST trails. They absolutely SUCK on frozen/snow conditions. I've driven a STOCK 4 runner (TRD with factory skid plate but never once used the TRD controls) with $150ish? Cheap Chinese snow tires/stock rims up some of the most difficult trials/highest peaks in CO, NV desert, Utah, AZ, etc, in all weather conditions, including deep snow. Trails that make most people NOPE the fukk out. Only real gear worth is is a skid plate AND tire chains. Unpopular opinon. But it's SUPER easy to get mislead by all the off road gear sellers. YOU NEED THIS, you NEED THAT, etc. You really don't. View Quote So this really grinds your gears? 🤔 |
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