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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:02:57 PM EDT
I shot a buck Friday evening with my 45/70. He ran off and I did not find him until the next morning. He covered over 400 yards and left the tiniest of blood trails. I am going to have to move back up to the 223. This is disappointing.
A bobcat or something ate on him over night and covered him with straw. I guess the butthole is the best part, they always seem to go for that first. I am going to have to fry one up and see what all the fuss is about. 
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:03:36 PM EDT
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Learn how to aim.
or Aiming. How does it work? 
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:03:55 PM EDT
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How was shot placement?
Pics? |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:03:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:04:27 PM EDT
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I shot a buck Friday evening with my 45/70. He ran off and I did not find him until the next morning. He covered over 400 yards and left the tiniest of blood trails. I am going to have to move back up to the 223. This is disappointing. 
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:04:36 PM EDT
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try not to plug him in the ass next time.
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:04:49 PM EDT
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Cartridge responsible for your poor shooting?
 Sometimes they just don't bleed.
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:05:01 PM EDT
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Was the kill a loss?
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:05:37 PM EDT
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Good for buffalo but not deer?
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:06:06 PM EDT
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Where was the shot placement and penetration ?
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:06:48 PM EDT
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Killing cartridge. You figure it out.
Fail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:06:51 PM EDT
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The shot was good. Went in just in front of right shoulder came out 6" behind left shoulder cut his Aorta and got the top of both lungs.
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:07:42 PM EDT
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A buffalo gun doesn't work on a deer, interesting
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:07:54 PM EDT
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Adrenaline is a helluva drug.
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:08:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: The shot was good. Went in just in front of right shoulder came out 6" behind left shoulder cut his Aorta and got the top of both lungs. And you think a .223 hitting the exact same spot would have dropped him? |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:10:06 PM EDT
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The shot was good. Went in just in front of right shoulder came out 6" behind left shoulder cut his Aorta and got the top of both lungs. And you think a .223 hitting the exact same spot would have dropped him?
Perhaps the .45-70 didn't expand? .223 may create a larger permanent wound cavity. 
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:10:25 PM EDT
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The shot was good. Went in just in front of right shoulder came out 6" behind left shoulder cut his Aorta and got the top of both lungs. And you think a .223 hitting the exact same spot would have dropped him?
Well out of the several deer I have hit in nearly the same spot with a 223 none went more than 30 yards. |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:11:41 PM EDT
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The shot was good. Went in just in front of right shoulder came out 6" behind left shoulder cut his Aorta and got the top of both lungs. And you think a .223 hitting the exact same spot would have dropped him?
Perhaps the .45-70 didn't expand? .223 may create a larger permanent wound cavity. didnt expand a bit. .45 entry hole and .55 exit hole |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:12:30 PM EDT
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The shot was good. Went in just in front of right shoulder came out 6" behind left shoulder cut his Aorta and got the top of both lungs. Lets see pics Havent ever had a problem with deer running off too far with a rifle. Have had a few deer leave very light blood trail.(Due to muscle or organs blocking entry/exit.) Recently taken up bow hunting I killed 4 deer and the last 2 seasons with crossbow and all 4 of them ran less than 40 yards. 285fps 425grains. 2"cut. Double lung fairly center and you wont have any problems. Heart is good too but its all personal preference. |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:13:18 PM EDT
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This thread hurts my brain.
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:14:00 PM EDT
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Quoted: try not to plug him in the ass next time. |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:14:12 PM EDT
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The shot was good. Went in just in front of right shoulder came out 6" behind left shoulder cut his Aorta and got the top of both lungs. Lets see pics Havent ever had a problem with deer running off too far with a rifle. Have had a few deer leave very light blood trail.(Due to muscle or organs blocking entry/exit.) Recently taken up bow hunting I killed 4 deer and the last 2 seasons with crossbow and all 4 of them ran less than 40 yards. 285fps 425grains. 2"cut. Double lung fairly center and you wont have any problems. Heart is good too but its all personal preference. I do not have any pics of the bullet holes |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:14:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The shot was good. Went in just in front of right shoulder came out 6" behind left shoulder cut his Aorta and got the top of both lungs. And you think a .223 hitting the exact same spot would have dropped him? Well out of the several deer I have hit in nearly the same spot with a 223 none went more than 30 yards. Hmmm... I suppose a high velocity round may create more of a wound channel. |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:14:55 PM EDT
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None are good calibers if you miss
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:16:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: I shot a buck Friday evening with my 45/70. He ran off and I did not find him until the next morning. He covered over 400 yards and left the tiniest of blood trails. I am going to have to move back up to the 223. This is disappointing. You misspelled ".410 gauge". |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:16:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I shot a buck Friday evening with my 45/70. He ran off and I did not find him until the next morning. He covered over 400 yards and left the tiniest of blood trails. I am going to have to move back up to the 223. This is disappointing. You misspelled ".410 gauge". .410 isn't a gauge. You fail at pointing out fails |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:17:18 PM EDT
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Luck of the draw.
The only cartridges that can be guarunteed to drop an animal in it's track 100% of the time don't leave any meat to eat. I dropped a 280+LB Mule deer in his tracks with a .270 from 360 yards this year. Fragments from his ribs hit his spine and stunned him, even though he was still alive when I got to him, he couldn't move. Just luck. He could have very well run off. |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:17:52 PM EDT
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Shot placement...
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:17:59 PM EDT
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The shot was good. Went in just in front of right shoulder came out 6" behind left shoulder cut his Aorta and got the top of both lungs. And you think a .223 hitting the exact same spot would have dropped him?
Well out of the several deer I have hit in nearly the same spot with a 223 none went more than 30 yards. Hmmm... I suppose a high velocity round may create more of a wound channel. This thread is pretty much a troll thread, I could shoot 100 more deer in the exact same place and not have the same result. I started this thread for the same reason I have done my 223 vs deer threads. People don't really have a clue what round does what in deer. There are no absolutes when you shoot something. These results were not, what I was expecting at all. First deer I shot with 45/70. |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:18:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: This thread hurts my brain. Yep, and makes me want to go shoot something with my 45/70. |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:19:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The shot was good. Went in just in front of right shoulder came out 6" behind left shoulder cut his Aorta and got the top of both lungs. And you think a .223 hitting the exact same spot would have dropped him? Well out of the several deer I have hit in nearly the same spot with a 223 none went more than 30 yards. Hmmm... I suppose a high velocity round may create more of a wound channel. This thread is pretty much a troll thread, I could shoot 100 more deer in the exact same place and not have the same result. I started this thread for the same reason I have done my 223 vs deer threads. People don't really have a clue what round does what in deer. There are no absolutes when you shoot something. These results were not, what I was expecting at all. First deer I shot with 45/70. On that I agree 100%. |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:19:33 PM EDT
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Luck of the draw. The only cartridges that can be guarunteed to drop an animal in it's track 100% of the time don't leave any meat to eat. I dropped a 280+LB Mule deer in his tracks with a .270 from 360 yards this year. Fragments from his ribs hit his spine and stunned him, even though he was still alive when I got to him, he couldn't move. Just luck. He could have very well run off. exactly |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:20:48 PM EDT
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This thread hurts my brain. Yep, and makes me want to go shoot something with my 45/70. Just don't shoot a deer it may bounce off
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:21:44 PM EDT
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I see you are from TX. Where were you hunting? How big was the deer?
I usually hunt the small TX deer with my AR. It works good. Short shots. Most drop in less than 10ft. I'm not sure about the 45/70 not being enough. It may have just been one of those things... |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:23:12 PM EDT
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What was the load? A hard cast or even monolithic solid round intended for a water buffalo is going to "ice pick" right through a deer while a dead soft HP ran at way too high velocity is going to "explode" way to early/shallow to be useful on deer.
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:23:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I shot a buck Friday evening with my 45/70. He ran off and I did not find him until the next morning. He covered over 400 yards and left the tiniest of blood trails. I am going to have to move back up to the 223. This is disappointing. You misspelled ".410 gauge". 36 gauge |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:24:33 PM EDT
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Shit Happens.....It was you and not the weapon/cartridge.....Get over it. Practice make perfect.
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:24:49 PM EDT
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I know it's a "troll thread", but bullet selection really can make a difference with the 45-70. It's a heavy, slow, large-diameter bullet, so expansion is mainly based on bullet design & composition, rather than velocity.
That being said, there have been a shitload of deer killed with a 45-70 in this country. |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:25:07 PM EDT
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What was the load? A hard cast round intended for a water buffalo is going to "ice pick" right through a deer while a dead soft HP ran at way too high velocity is going to "explode" way to early/shallow to be useful on deer. This was part of the problem. a 420 Grn Hardcast Keith Style bullet. I dont think you can say ice pick when referring to the 45/70. |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:25:58 PM EDT
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Shit Happens.....It was you and not the weapon/cartridge.....Get over it. Practice make perfect. How was it me? Other than my choice to use a 430 grn Hard Cast Keith Bullet. Shot placement was great. |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:29:19 PM EDT
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I shot a buck Friday evening with my 45/70. He ran off and I did not find him until the next morning. He covered over 400 yards and left the tiniest of blood trails. I am going to have to move back up to the 223. This is disappointing. You misspelled ".410 gauge". 36 gauge 67.62 gauge on the true "gauge" scale, those wacky Euros, always making shit up. |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:32:06 PM EDT
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Shit Happens.....It was you and not the weapon/cartridge.....Get over it. Practice make perfect. How was it me? Other than my choice to use a 430 grn Hard Cast Keith Bullet. Shot placement was great. Aha. Soft point bullet was developed for a reason....... |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:35:39 PM EDT
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You're doing something wrong because 45-70 will drop bison all day long until the fuckers are almost extinct. Mmm bison burgers.  |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:37:27 PM EDT
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soft points have issues as well, again I could probably shoot 100 more deer in the same spot and drop them all in a few yards, they would probably all pump out a lot of blood also.
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:38:32 PM EDT
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I've killed a few deer with .45/70 rifles.
All the places i can rifle hunt will limit a hunter to about 150 yards maximum due to heavy brush or timber. The .45/70 simply anchors a deer at that range, I haven't ever had one go more than 30 feet from where it was hit and never needed a second shot. I have had worse luck with .30/30 and .308 putting a deer down on one shot. .45/70 just drops them. |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:38:46 PM EDT
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Shoot more deer with the load to see if it was a fluke.
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:41:09 PM EDT
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Haters suck...still a good round, nice looking deer...thanks for posting, I love a good deer hunt.
Damn folks...dead is dead...fucking GD has way too many children/internethunters.... |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:43:03 PM EDT
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Shot placement was great. Um, no. Not if said deer ran for 400 yards AFTER being shot. |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:44:18 PM EDT
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Shot placement was great. Um, no. Not if said deer ran for 400 yards AFTER being shot. Um yes, cut aorta and lungs = perfect. |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:46:46 PM EDT
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I've killed a few deer with .45/70 rifles. All the places i can rifle hunt will limit a hunter to about 150 yards maximum due to heavy brush or timber. The .45/70 simply anchors a deer at that range, I haven't ever had one go more than 30 feet from where it was hit and never needed a second shot. I have had worse luck with .30/30 and .308 putting a deer down on one shot. .45/70 just drops them . Apparently this NOT the case |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 6:47:21 PM EDT
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Shot placement was great. Um, no. Not if said deer ran for 400 yards AFTER being shot. Um yes, cut aorta and lungs = perfect. That's a mule deer yes? Mule deer have a lot of sand in their ass. You should have shot him twice. Reason I ask, is that I never saw a whitetail that looks as big as the one in your pictures while I was down in Texas. You really could kill them with a .223. I know, I did! |
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