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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:10:45 PM EDT
I don't know when/where/if she said this but it has been making rounds all over social media this past week.
What is she trying to say? You can't stop terrorism with violence, only education? Terrorism only appeals to the uneducated? There are many known terrorists who have PhD's, and many who have degrees in advanced fields of engineering; are these people not educated? I'm confused. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:11:54 PM EDT
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Get both!
TC |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:12:03 PM EDT
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She's wrong.
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:13:34 PM EDT
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Use guns to kill the terrorists, and use education to kill the idea.
So in true arfcom fashion, we need to get both. ETA: Goddamnit. Beat. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:13:38 PM EDT
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Aren't there a lot of wealthy, highly educated supporters of radical Islam?
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:14:13 PM EDT
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I wasn't aware that the two were mutually exclusive
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:14:22 PM EDT
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Get both! +1 |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:14:56 PM EDT
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Aren't there a lot of wealthy, highly educated supporters of radical Islam? I honestly believe that the leaders of radical Islam don't believe in their own spiel. They just use it to recruit poor uneducated expendable idiots. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:15:15 PM EDT
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Get both!
TC That's the only conclusion you can draw from that quote, it's not very ambiguous. Even if it's not what she intended. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:17:18 PM EDT
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The trouble is getting our western world education to stick when their Islamist education is louder, angrier, and actively encourages people to kill those who are seeking our education.
Part of our educational process needs to include frequent examples of the futility of messing with us. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:18:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I honestly believe that the leaders of radical Islam don't believe in their own spiel. They just use it to recruit poor uneducated expendable idiots. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Aren't there a lot of wealthy, highly educated supporters of radical Islam? I honestly believe that the leaders of radical Islam don't believe in their own spiel. They just use it to recruit poor uneducated expendable idiots. Like the engineers who flew the planes into the WTC? Or like the doctors who drove the car bomb into the Scottish airport? |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:19:06 PM EDT
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I thought it was jobs that stopped terrorism.
I'm confused. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:19:16 PM EDT
[#12]
The gun is a whole lot faster.
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:20:09 PM EDT
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Aren't there a lot of wealthy, highly educated supporters of radical Islam? Yes. Maybe not so much in today's ISIS world, but Al-Qaeda is ripe with doctors, engineers, law students, etc. http://nationalinterest.org/blog/bruce-hoffman/todays-highly-educated-terrorists-4080 |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:20:22 PM EDT
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Like the engineers who flew the planes into the WTC? Or like the doctors who drove the car bomb into the Scottish airport? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aren't there a lot of wealthy, highly educated supporters of radical Islam? I honestly believe that the leaders of radical Islam don't believe in their own spiel. They just use it to recruit poor uneducated expendable idiots. Or like the doctors who drove the car bomb into the Scottish airport? I stand corrected. I never knew their previous occupations. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:20:46 PM EDT
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It's simple. They need education so that they can finally get jobs in order to keep from being terrorists.
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:21:53 PM EDT
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I thought it was jobs that stopped terrorism. I'm confused. No, carbon cap'n'trade. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:21:57 PM EDT
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I honestly believe that the leaders of radical Islam don't believe in their own spiel. They just use it to recruit poor uneducated expendable idiots. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aren't there a lot of wealthy, highly educated supporters of radical Islam? I honestly believe that the leaders of radical Islam don't believe in their own spiel. They just use it to recruit poor uneducated expendable idiots. Just like American liberals. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:22:08 PM EDT
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I don't know when/where/if she said this but it has been making rounds all over social media this past week. http://i68.tinypic.com/2qjiu0o.jpg What is she trying to say? You can't stop terrorism with violence, only education? Terrorism only appeals to the uneducated? There are many known terrorists who have PhD's, and many who have degrees in advanced fields of engineering; are these people not educated? I'm confused. She's trying to say that she's an ignorant liberal. The Hitler Youth was all about education. So were the Young Pioneers. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:22:57 PM EDT
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Aren't there a lot of wealthy, highly educated supporters of radical Islam? I think you missed the point. You educate the extremist that violence does not help your cause and is Not what islam is about. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:24:53 PM EDT
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Give 'em some ballistics education from the receiving end.
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:25:36 PM EDT
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I think you missed the point. You educate the extremist that violence does not help your cause and is Not what islam is about. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aren't there a lot of wealthy, highly educated supporters of radical Islam? I think you missed the point. You educate the extremist that violence does not help your cause and is Not what islam is about. Are you trolling or serious? Islam is about killing all the things. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:27:09 PM EDT
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The Islamic world has had hundreds of years to pick up some Cicero or Plato or Locke and join the rest of the world
in expounding on the ideas of the enlightenment and Western Civilization. They've soundly rejected those philosophical principles. What makes anyone think they're going to start now? |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:27:09 PM EDT
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She assumes they have sensibility and otherwise a worthy existence.....this is not the case. Their objectives are counter to anyone that does not become them. Keep killing them.
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:28:00 PM EDT
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With education you can kill terrorism if you get there first.
With guns you can kill terrorists who slipped thru the cracks. 
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:28:02 PM EDT
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Have enough of both, and the terrorists will quit fucking with you.
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:28:03 PM EDT
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I wasn't aware that the two were mutually exclusive They aren't. I think it'll take both. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:30:12 PM EDT
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Dont Amish only go to school through the 8th grade?
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:30:41 PM EDT
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the notion that all people have equal potential and only require proper education to become upstanding productive members of society is retarded
there have always been, and will always be peasants |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:32:29 PM EDT
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She's right. And you need both.
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:32:53 PM EDT
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That's the only conclusion you can draw from that quote, it's not very ambiguous. Even if it's not what she intended. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get both!
TC That's the only conclusion you can draw from that quote, it's not very ambiguous. Even if it's not what she intended.   That's the only conclusion a rational person can draw from that quote. You'll be amazed what this gaggle of rocket surgeons will come up with in a few minutes here.
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:33:47 PM EDT
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Use guns to kill the terrorists, and use education to kill the idea. So in true arfcom fashion, we need to get both. ETA: Goddamnit. Beat. This. Guns are a short-term solution, and fighting evildoers with force needs to be combined with fighting the ideology with education. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:34:15 PM EDT
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Assuming that's a valid quote, she might be equivocating 'terrorism' and 'the Taliban', in which case she may be correct. If you have zero marketable skills, and the Taliban is paying you to fight for them, then you might choose to fight for them just so you can eat.
However, if the quote is referring to the broader concept of terrorism, and not merely one particular regional organization which participates in terrorism, then it's dead wrong. Terrorism is a form of warfare, and economics is only one facet of why people wage war. Recognition is also an important reason as to why people wage war: recognition of their intrinsic worth, the worth of their gods, beliefs, laws, customs, etc. Education doesn't change that; as others have said highly educated people engage in terrorism not because of economic reasons, but because they yearn for recognition of the validity of their belief systems. They would rather engage in violence than re-examine their core beliefs. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:34:57 PM EDT
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I honestly believe that the leaders of radical Islam don't believe in their own spiel. They just use it to recruit poor uneducated expendable idiots. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aren't there a lot of wealthy, highly educated supporters of radical Islam? I honestly believe that the leaders of radical Islam don't believe in their own spiel. They just use it to recruit poor uneducated expendable idiots. Isn't that so often the case? |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:35:39 PM EDT
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sort of want
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:36:14 PM EDT
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She's right, educate people as to what Islam is all about and they will begin to better use their guns against it...
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:36:19 PM EDT
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The Islamic world has had hundreds of years to pick up some Cicero or Plato or Locke and join the rest of the world in expounding on the ideas of the enlightenment and Western Civilization. They've soundly rejected those philosophical principles. What makes anyone think they're going to start now? 
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:36:40 PM EDT
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I don't know when/where/if she said this but it has been making rounds all over social media this past week. http://i68.tinypic.com/2qjiu0o.jpg What is she trying to say? You can't stop terrorism with violence, only education? Terrorism only appeals to the uneducated? There are many known terrorists who have PhD's, and many who have degrees in advanced fields of engineering; are these people not educated? I'm confused. Muslims don't educate their people so.... they are all terrorists? |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:38:25 PM EDT
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I've seen women like her placed in a shallow hole dug in the ground, and then pelted with stones by groups of men until they die.
Perhaps she could have passed them some literature on why they're wrong and it would have won over their hearts. On second thought, putting some copper and lead into their brains would have been a more effective result than a change of ideas. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:38:58 PM EDT
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Muhammed Atta was an engineer, bin Laden was an engineer, al-Baghdadi has a doctorate, etc. etc.
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:39:09 PM EDT
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They were brainwashed when they were little by their clerics and teachers. After the brainwashing, any other educations are just BS to them. The other adult recruits are just weak mind, stupid, or wannabes. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:39:57 PM EDT
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Aren't there a lot of wealthy, highly educated supporters of radical Islam? this. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:41:14 PM EDT
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roflcopter
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:41:28 PM EDT
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I think you missed the point. You educate the extremist that violence does not help your cause and is Not what islam is about. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aren't there a lot of wealthy, highly educated supporters of radical Islam? I think you missed the point. You educate the extremist that violence does not help your cause and is Not what islam is about. Islam loves violence. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:43:16 PM EDT
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I wasn't aware that the two were mutually exclusive She didn't say they are. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:46:23 PM EDT
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The trouble is getting our western world education to stick when their Islamist education is louder, angrier, and actively encourages people to kill those who are seeking our education. Part of our educational process needs to include frequent examples of the futility of messing with us.  I don't think that we need to learn that.
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:46:50 PM EDT
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She's trying to say that war is not the answer, but the truth is that you need both; one without the other is doomed to failure.
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:47:18 PM EDT
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She's wrong. Ding ding ding |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:48:24 PM EDT
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She's a pacifist. She's been shot, standing up to the Taliban. What got her shot was speaking out in favor of education for women in Muslim countries. Anybody that's willing to stand up to that kind of oppressor, for a cause that's just, they've earned their right to have an opinion in my book. I'm not saying she's wrong - seems Gandhi got a lot done through pacifist methods. But then again I'm not a pacifist - I agree with "Get Both".
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:49:26 PM EDT
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But if the terrorists continue killing young girls that try to get an education...then....what?
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:49:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think that we need to learn that.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The trouble is getting our western world education to stick when their Islamist education is louder, angrier, and actively encourages people to kill those who are seeking our education. Part of our educational process needs to include frequent examples of the futility of messing with us. I don't think that we need to learn that. |
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