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Posted: 9/8/2020 12:56:24 PM EDT
[#1]
Just what I want, a valve that would have a chance of opening unintentionally.
Do the normal thing, get your husband to change the oil. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 12:59:48 PM EDT
[#2]
I have a Fumoto on my 4runner. Gonna try the Volvomax on the old ladies outback. Looks like a good design.
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:02:11 PM EDT
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I have fumotos on all my cars...
I got the models with the little nipple for hose attachment... game changer! I also get the valve locks so that i never dump my oil while going down the highway. What makes the other brands better or worse? |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:06:36 PM EDT
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Stahlbus if going to a poppet style valve if the Fumoto setup does not work.
Have you looked at the indexing Fumoto valves? They work many times with the need for extensions on their fixed valve design. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:10:55 PM EDT
[#5]
I can't ever seem to wrap my head around the point of this.
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:14:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't ever seem to wrap my head around the point of this. Never have myself either. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:15:01 PM EDT
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How often are you changing your oil?
With full synthetic there no reason you can't go at least 6,000 miles. My Grandfather was a chemist at BP and even on conventional oils he would follow the service routine in the owner's manual. Albeit he wasn't going by the severe schedule. He said oil doesn't break down. That's just his opinion, though. I do believe the 3,000 mile interchange is a profit making scheme, though, especially with modern oils! |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:15:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: Which brand? Fumoto won't work on one vehicle due to the location of the drain plug. Would hang down low and might need an adapter making it longer and not sure skid plate would protect. Wish my fluid extraction woud work on this one then I would even have to jack it up. Fumoto will work on other. Fluid extraction won't matter on this on as the location of filter sucks. Fumoto Stalbus ValvoMax Had a fumoto on my Xterra, was always a little worried that it stuck down through the skid plate and was always in the back of my mind on the trail |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:15:31 PM EDT
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Had one on my airplane - made oil changes a hell of a lot easier. Always wondered why they weren't just standard on all vehicles! I never thought about looking for an aftermarket one but I'll check that out.
I've always done my own oil changes and I like doing it because I know its done right. 
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:15:49 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Had a fumoto on my Xterra, was always a little worried that it stuck down through the skid plate and was always in the back of my mind on the trail |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:19:44 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never have myself either. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can't ever seem to wrap my head around the point of this. Never have myself either. One less bolt to deal with when changing oil. Duh. <--- Also in the WTF category. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:20:11 PM EDT
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I put a Ronin oil drain valve on my F150 because some dumb ass engineer put the drain plug directly facing a stabilizing bar so when you're changing oil it sprays like a porn star.
The Ronin is a game changer, plug up a hose to the adapter, screw adapter into the drain valve, drain oil directly into waste bottle. Love the design.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:21:02 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't ever seem to wrap my head around the point of this. I just learned about these when researching oil changes on my new RAM 1500. The drain plug is right above the sway bar, so when you remove the conventional plug oil hits the sway bar and splashes. With these style valves, they have a lock feature and allows you to connect a hose into the drain pan and boom, no mess. Not sure if I’m sold on one yet, but I can see why they are a thing.. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:22:35 PM EDT
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I put the EZ valve on both my Jeeps. That was back in 2015 and I haven't had any problems with either of them.
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:23:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just what I want, a valve that would have a chance of opening unintentionally. Do the normal thing, get your husband to change the oil. My $150,000 tractor has one, quarter turn valve to dump the oil. Never heard of one accidentally draining. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:23:41 PM EDT
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Just use the drain plug and quit trying to overcomplicate simple shit.
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:24:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That sounds like a bad idea, IMO. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Had a fumoto on my Xterra, was always a little worried that it stuck down through the skid plate and was always in the back of my mind on the trail Yeah, lots of guys have ripped off a plug on a trail because they installed a drain that stuck out too far. Either needs a low profile to stay above the skid plate, or the plate needs a little modification to protect the bung. The two biggest concerns with the drains, not sufficiently locked and hanging out getting ripped off. Both easily mitigated. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:26:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't ever seem to wrap my head around the point of this. people who don't have hand tools want to risk the chance of accidental oil loss to save a few minuets when they try to save a few bucks and drain their oil on their driveway. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:27:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never have myself either. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can't ever seem to wrap my head around the point of this. Never have myself either. We always laugh when these things come into the shop. Half the time they are leaking. Had a customer half to buy and engine in a passport last week. They put one of the valves on it. Had 9k miles on it. Something came up and hit the valve and broke it off. Apparently they decided to go off tossing on the farm and a branch hit it. Idiot then drove it another 20 minutes back to his barn with no oil in it. Insurance decline the claim so he has to pay out of pocket. Not 100 percent sure if it was him or his kid. Couldn’t get a straight answer. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:28:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How often are you changing your oil? With full synthetic there no reason you can't go at least 6,000 miles. My Grandfather was a chemist at BP and even on conventional oils he would follow the service routine in the owner's manual. Albeit he wasn't going by the severe schedule. He said oil doesn't break down. That's just his opinion, though. I do believe the 3,000 mile interchange is a profit making scheme, though, especially with modern oils! More like 10k miles |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:29:46 PM EDT
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I have one on my tractor as well. Wanted to install them on my passenger vehicles, but armadillos are all over the place here. Not taking that chance. If you've ever lost an oil pan to a 'Dillo, you'd think twice.
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:32:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't ever seem to wrap my head around the point of this. No risk of dropping the drain plug down the storm drain you're changing your oil over. 
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:35:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: More like 10k miles Except up until last winter there wasn’t an oil standard rated to go that long and stop a timing chain from stretching. If you want your engine to last change it every 5k. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:39:37 PM EDT
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The idea is nice....but it takes an extra 30 seconds to get a wrench and take the drain plug out. Not sure I want a "quick and easy" way to drain my oil pan like that........
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:39:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't ever seem to wrap my head around the point of this. not that complicated to remove a bolt for drain seems like an answer seeking a question |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:39:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except up until last winter there wasn't an oil standard rated to go that long and stop a timing chain from stretching. If you want your engine to last change it every 5k. I go 10k/oil life monitor recommendation with Motorcraft diesel oil in my 6.7. My Peterbilt goes 25k. But those are diesels. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:41:36 PM EDT
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Find the size wrench needed for drain plug.
Go to Harbor Freight or wherever and buy said wrench. Bust open and steal the rare earth magnet from an old hard drive. Crawl under car, slap the magnet onto the frame, the wrench onto the magnet. No valve to (possibly) break off the drain plug and you will also have a wrench for the drain plug on the car. I've done this for years. Unless you strong arm your oil filter down to the mount you should be able to take it off by hand. Zero trips to the toolbox. Cartridge filter? Same thing but mount it under the hood somewhere near the filter housing. Radiator support of some such. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:42:57 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Had one on my airplane - made oil changes a hell of a lot easier. Always wondered why they weren't just standard on all vehicles! I never thought about looking for an aftermarket one but I'll check that out. I've always done my own oil changes and I like doing it because I know its done right. If you’re in the air and hit something enough to loosen the drain bolt, you probably have bigger problems than losing oil. On a car, all kinds of stuff could happen. I’m too paranoid for one |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:43:50 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never have myself either. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can't ever seem to wrap my head around the point of this. Never have myself either. The only reasonable reason I have heard it done is because it was put on an elderly persons car. After 3 straight oil pans getting replaced from jackasses using power tools on the oil drain bolt. I haven't had that problem. I never looked at them or how they work but the excess room, weight, and possibility of something going wrong just didn't make me interested. Maybe I should google it but still not on the top of my priority list. ETA...from some of the responses I see the reasoning if after 87 four letter words and a beating to the engineer that put the plug there didn't make you feel better....
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:44:12 PM EDT
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I would say it could be handy to help drain the oil in my Taco w/o removing the skid plate - but it would not do jack shit to help with changing the oil filter.
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:49:21 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Find the size wrench needed for drain plug. Go to Harbor Freight or wherever and buy said wrench. Bust open and steal the rare earth magnet from an old hard drive. Crawl under car, slap the magnet onto the frame, the wrench onto the magnet. No valve to (possibly) break off the drain plug and you will also have a wrench for the drain plug on the car. I've done this for years. Unless you strong arm your oil filter down to the mount you should be able to take it off by hand. Zero trips to the toolbox. Cartridge filter? Same thing but mount it under the hood somewhere near the filter housing. Radiator support of some such. Seriously? Attaching tools to the car with permanent magnets? Do you often find yourself changing your oil in the Autozone parking lot or something? Are you so OCD that you can't wait to drive home when the oil change indicator turns on? Just walk 5' to the toolbox and grab the right socket. It's the one with oil on it from the last oil change. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:49:29 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Except up until last winter there wasn't an oil standard rated to go that long and stop a timing chain from stretching. If you want your engine to last change it every 5k. It's been 10-15 years since most manufacturers called for 5k mile oil changes. Most now have the OCI at 7500-10k miles |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:49:45 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I put a Ronin oil drain valve on my F150 because some dumb ass engineer put the drain plug directly facing a stabilizing bar so when you're changing oil it sprays like a porn star. The Ronin is a game changer, plug up a hose to the adapter, screw adapter into the drain valve, drain oil directly into waste bottle. Love the design. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/322543/Ronin_Factory_Ford_Plastic_Oil_Plug_Drai-1582884.JPG I have one of these also for my F-150. Works pretty well and saves a potential big mess. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:49:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you’re in the air and hit something enough to loosen the drain bolt, you probably have bigger problems than losing oil. On a car, all kinds of stuff could happen. I’m too paranoid for one I can say with 99.99% certainty that with aviation, there is a safety wire provision and requirement for a drain bolt to preclude anything from backing off. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:51:37 PM EDT
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i installed a SureDrain on my bought-new Tacoma 3.4L V6 at the very first oil change, and sold the truck at 280K miles.
the SureDrain has roughly the same profile as the OEM drain plug -- it's pretty low profile. the mating "drain hose" has a mechanical feature on the end which pushes a spring-loaded ball off of it's seal. it never leaked a drop. the guy who bought it from me a year ago still has it on. it made DIY oil changes a snap. i did 10K OCI using M1 5W-30. no internal engine issues. in fact, now that i think about it, i only ever replaced the serpentine belt and the water pump. everything else under the hood -- with the exception of the battery -- was as-delivered in 2001. ar-jedi |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:51:52 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just learned about these when researching oil changes on my new RAM 1500. The drain plug is right above the sway bar, so when you remove the conventional plug oil hits the sway bar and splashes. With these style valves, they have a lock feature and allows you to connect a hose into the drain pan and boom, no mess. Not sure if I’m sold on one yet, but I can see why they are a thing.. Oil gets all over the sway bar and if you're 4x4, it gets all over the front diff and drive shaft. Not to mention the puddle that forms on the skid plate. The capability to use a hose to drain the oil is pretty useful. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:52:53 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never have myself either. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can't ever seem to wrap my head around the point of this. Never have myself either. Nor I, except on my lawn mower. Now if they'd figure something out with the oil filter. I hate trying to get to that damn thing. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:53:58 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's the one with oil on it from the last oil change. 
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:55:58 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't clean your tools? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's the one with oil on it from the last oil change. I clean my tool after every use You walked right into that one 
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Posted: 9/8/2020 1:58:05 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I clean my tool after every use You walked right into that one
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:00:11 PM EDT
[#41]
I have a fumoto, but it takes a little while to drain on the FX35. I don't know if I'll get another one.
What would actually be super helpful is to get a specialty hose made with a threaded end that fits into your drain plug hole. Then on the other end put a regular ball valve like what the boat diesels sometimes use. That would make it super easy to drain. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:05:41 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just what I want, a valve that would have a chance of opening unintentionally. Doesn't have to be unintentional. Could be opened on purpose by Antifa-type scum trying to disable vehicles. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:06:42 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't clean your tools? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's the one with oil on it from the last oil change. I quickly wipe it off but I don't detail the damn thing. A little oil on a socket never hurt anything. A tool only needs to be as clean as the environment in which it is used. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:08:34 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I quickly wipe it off but I don't detail the damn thing. A little oil on a socket never hurt anything. A tool only needs to be as clean as the environment in which it is used. Nothing worse than a dirty engine/components or tools |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:15:48 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing worse than a dirty engine/components or tools Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I quickly wipe it off but I don't detail the damn thing. A little oil on a socket never hurt anything. A tool only needs to be as clean as the environment in which it is used. Nothing worse than a dirty engine/components or tools Nothing more trivial than a dirty engine/components or tools.
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:16:03 PM EDT
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I'm on my third. First was on my 2012 F-150. That worked from the factory. The Fusion was slightly inset, so Fumoto ended up manufacturing an adapter (just something that extended the valve) so you could use it.
The 2017 F-150 has a stupid plastic plug with wings. They break (rather easily) and as mentioned the oil sprays everywhere when draining. Ronin makes a similar valve that lets you drain using a hose directly into an oil container. No problem at all. On most of my vehicles this would save only time. The valves lock - or, in the case of Ronin, there is something that needs to be threaded in a good bit to actually drain the oil - so accidental draining is a non-issue. The thing that makes it really stand out is that I don't need to make a huge mess changing the oil and I can simply drain it directly into an oil pan or a jug. I don't want oil on the street or on my driveway. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:16:21 PM EDT
[#47]
I use an oil extractor on both our T4R's, still have to pull the skid plate for the filter but that's not a big deal and there's only a few oz of oil to contend with.
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:22:08 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just use the drain plug and quit trying to overcomplicate simple shit. However, I wish someone would make an alternative to those cartridge oil filters. But that's for a different thread, I suppose. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:23:30 PM EDT
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I got my first Fumoto valve about 15 years ago. I lived in an apartment that forbade vehicle maint, and the local mom and pop place stripped out the drain plug on my Accord. When i noticed it leaking I took it back and the jackhole running the place said "Those threads just wear out over time". Needless to say no one but me has changed my oil since.
I didn't really want to replace a pan on a 250K Accord, so I drained the oil, put a fumoto with blue loctite in and let it dry overnight, then filled with oil the next day. Ran the car for another 110K miles before I sold it. Using one eliminates the risk of stripping out the oil pan, and makes changes easy. I don't use them on off-road equipment, with the exception of my wife's Honda Rancher, which I used one on for the same reason as my initial Fumoto, which was a stripped drain plug (previous owner). The skid plate on her Rancher hangs down further than the Fumoto, and I have a clamp on it just in case debris gets between the skid and the engine. My Jeeps, pickup, tractors, and other half dozen ATV's do not have them. All of the family street driven vehicles have them, and the wife's 2019 GX will be getting one this week when I change the oil on it. Again, skid plate protects that area. They're inexpensive, cheap, and not having to worry about EVER stripping a drain plug is worth the purchase price for me. And before anyone says "get a torque wrench", I have one. I've stripped out more than one bolt tightening to factory specs from the FSM on Honda ATV's. Fumotos ELIMINATE that possibility once and for all. That's why I use them. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:27:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No risk of dropping the drain plug down the storm drain you're changing your oil over.
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