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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:30:06 AM EDT
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Quoted: Democrats are Successfully Pushing Unelectable Candidates in our Primaries to Stop the Red Wave This Fall Do some of these MAGA candidates seem too good to be true? That's because they are. They violate the rule crafted by the late William F. Buckley Jr. known as the "Buckley rule." It says to support the candidate the furthest to the right who is electable. This is why a lot of conservatives suck it up and stick with the GOP instead of defecting to an obscure third party where no one gets elected. But the left, always one step ahead outsmarting us, has figured out how to make unelectable fringe candidates look so appealing that people forget the rule. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:30:40 AM EDT
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So we should vote for RINOs as a double reverse psych op counter?
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:34:57 AM EDT
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The problem is who's defining "electable". That needs to be us, not talking heads or controlled-opposition party leadership.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:35:50 AM EDT
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Oh well. Hopefully Buckley is outdated. If not. I’d rather have a democrat than the garbage we have otherwise. With a rino the results will be the same as a dem.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:35:59 AM EDT
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Yes….vote the primaries for who has the best chance of winning the General election. Not what some want to hear.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:37:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So we should vote for RINOs as a double reverse psych op counter? I think the key is differentiating what they say vs what they've done or how they're funded |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:37:27 AM EDT
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The RINO will at least be more pro gun then any Dem.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:38:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The RINO will at least be more pro gun then any Dem. Like Cornyn and Romney? Sounds like the RINOs are scared. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:40:14 AM EDT
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remember when they did this with Trump, then were all like "oh no" when he won.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:40:31 AM EDT
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don't forget the dems were happy as all get out when Trump won the primary. They figured he'd never get elected. Figured Hillary had it in the bag.
They don't understand over 1/2 of this country. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:42:35 AM EDT
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Buckley's conservatism is Bush/McConnell/Ryan conservatism. IE - The DNC platform in slow motion.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:44:52 AM EDT
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Do you think the “inflation B.S.” bill was good idea? Well not one traditional Republican voted for it…many who can be classified as RINO’s. I pick the lesser of the two evils…that’s the best play IMHO.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:44:55 AM EDT
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If the Buckley rule we followed brought us to this, of what use was the rule?
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:45:05 AM EDT
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Wasn't GD all in over Rush Limbaugh's Operation Mayhem?
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:47:30 AM EDT
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What's annoying is those stating they will vote dem because a rino is no different. Then they will roll out an exception or 2, (romney is a fan favorite) to 'prove' their point and demonstrate their intellectual prowess. These people think exceptions are the rule - one of the many reasons things are as they are. They might garner more respect by just admitting they are leftists to begin with.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:49:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes….vote the primaries for who has the best chance of winning the General election. Not what some want to hear. LOL, the "lesser of two evils" theory. I vote for who best reflect my values and beliefs. If there isn't one, I'll stay home. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:50:29 AM EDT
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Quoted: But the left, always one step ahead outsmarting us, has figured out how to make unelectable fringe candidates look so appealing that people forget the rule. I overheard a conversation at lunch the other day... 2 older ladies on an adjacent table, singing the praises of Joe, bemoaning the fact that Heels Up hasn't done anything as his VP.... so fairly likely to be democrats. One commented on how she felt that Trudy Busch Valentine was a great candidate, but she wasn't on the ballot. Now in MO you get asked which primary ballot you want... the only way that candidate wasn't on the ballot was if you didn't request a democrat ballot. I don't believe these 2 old biddies were senile, or that they were smart enough to figure out tactical voting on their own (i could be wrong they might be rocket scientists), so I'd guess they were told what to do by someone. Eric Schmitt R. 298,852 votes45.7% Vicky Hartzler R. 144,469 votes22.1% Eric Greitens R. 123,982 votes18.9% Billy Long R. 32,555 votes5.0% It seems odd to me that Utlra MAGA Greitens only got 18.9% of the vote. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:51:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, the "lesser of two evils" theory. I vote for who best reflect my values and beliefs. If there isn't one, I'll stay home. I would do the same, but I have been voting AGAINST people for too long |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:53:31 AM EDT
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People here have admitted to doing this. It’s probably quite common know.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:53:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: remember when they did this with Trump, then were all like "oh no" when he won. Pepperidge farms remembers. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:55:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pepperidge farms remembers. Yeah, seems like this will blow up in their face. It's not going to be a good year for blue team. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:55:42 AM EDT
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Oh, BS!
More nevertrumper nonsense. These candidates are solid newcomers that won based on their independent thought and inability to be influenced or swayed by special interest. They are considered "fringe and unelectable" because the two party establishment cannot control them. 
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:56:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's annoying is those stating they will vote dem because a rino is no different. Then they will roll out an exception or 2, (romney is a fan favorite) to 'prove' their point and demonstrate their intellectual prowess. These people think exceptions are the rule - one of the many reasons things are as they are. They might garner more respect by just admitting they are leftists to begin with. Lol. Who’s respect do you think I’m concerned about? |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:57:25 AM EDT
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If I was a Utah resident and the choice is Romney and some Den….I would vote Romney. I am voting Rep no matter what but I don’t have a good feeling about Lake beating Hobbs in AZ. I will do my part but the biggest voting block in Maricopa County are independents out numbering both Rep and Dem.
That’s going to be a real problem for Lake. She needs to shift her message to appeal to them. Not sure she is capable of that. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:57:34 AM EDT
[#25]
Both parties suck. It is two wings of the same chicken. If someone starts a viable small government , less spending third party I am the first voter they will get.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:58:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, BS! More nevertrumper nonsense. These candidates are solid newcomers that won based on their independent thought and inability to be influenced or swayed by special interest. They are considered "fringe and unelectable" because the two party establishment cannot control them. Like Dr Oz 
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:58:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the Buckley rule we followed brought us to this, of what use was the rule? |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:58:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you think the “inflation B.S.” bill was good idea? Well not one traditional Republican voted for it…many who can be classified as RINO’s. I pick the lesser of the two evils…that’s the best play IMHO. Because they didn’t have to. If the Dems had needed an R vote one of them would have sacrificed in the spirit of "bipartisanship". |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:58:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The RINO will at least be more pro gun then any Dem. Santa Claus will be visiting soon don't forget to leave milk and cookies . |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:59:07 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. Who’s respect do you think I’m concerned about? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's annoying is those stating they will vote dem because a rino is no different. Then they will roll out an exception or 2, (romney is a fan favorite) to 'prove' their point and demonstrate their intellectual prowess. These people think exceptions are the rule - one of the many reasons things are as they are. They might garner more respect by just admitting they are leftists to begin with. Lol. Who’s respect do you think I’m concerned about? Far too convoluted for me to be concerned with. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 11:03:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Both parties suck. It is two wings of the same chicken. If someone starts a viable small government , less spending third party I am the first voter they will get. And your person is unlikely to ever be elected. Same as a libertarian. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 11:04:49 AM EDT
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and look where Buckley's rule got us now after doing that all these years
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Posted: 8/8/2022 11:06:05 AM EDT
[#33]
Quoted: Democrats are Successfully Pushing Unelectable Candidates in our Primaries to Stop the Red Wave This Fall Do some of these MAGA candidates seem too good to be true? That’s because they are. They violate the rule crafted by the late William F. Buckley Jr. known as the “Buckley rule.” It says to support the candidate the furthest to the right who is electable. This is why a lot of conservatives suck it up and stick with the GOP instead of defecting to an obscure third party where no one gets elected. But the left, always one step ahead outsmarting us, has figured out how to make unelectable fringe candidates look so appealing that people forget the rule. That's just it. 3rd Party can't win in an election. 50-70% are just going to vote straight ticket of their party of choice. That's why these "extremists" are running in the primaries. They get the GOP ticket, and GOP supporters will vote for them. The left played this same stupid game propping Trump up and lost hard. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 11:07:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the Buckley rule we followed brought us to this, of what use was the rule? Nailed it. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 11:08:08 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they didn’t have to. If the Dems had needed an R vote one of them would have sacrificed in the spirit of "bipartisanship". Bingo. They all know who's voting what and when to beg and borrow. Just like how McCain came shambling back from his death bed to bail out the DNC one last time. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 11:08:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you think the “inflation B.S.” bill was good idea? Well not one traditional Republican voted for it…many who can be classified as RINO’s. I pick the lesser of the two evils…that’s the best play IMHO. Well, the Az primaries are over, are you going to support the current GOP nominees in Az or are you going to continue to sow dissention in the ranks and sandbag their chances? |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 11:09:17 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, the Az primaries are over, are you going to support the current GOP nominees in Az or are you going to continue to sow dissention in the ranks and sandbag their chances? I'll be voting GOP straight ticket and praying for the best |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 11:10:41 AM EDT
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"The Buckley Rule"
IE systematic failure due to the Overton Window. "Just be a drag anchor on the trend guys, don't ever try to start your own". |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 11:12:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like Dr Oz Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh, BS! More nevertrumper nonsense. These candidates are solid newcomers that won based on their independent thought and inability to be influenced or swayed by special interest. They are considered "fringe and unelectable" because the two party establishment cannot control them. Like Dr Oz Yes. Of course, this is just my initial impression. It could backfire electing these "out-of-the-box" candidates but it is pretty evident they're not controlled by the two parties. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 11:13:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So we should vote for RINOs as a double reverse psych op counter? Yes. In the democrat primaries. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 11:18:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I was a Utah resident and the choice is Romney and some Den….I would vote Romney. I am voting Rep no matter what but I don’t have a good feeling about Lake beating Hobbs in AZ. I will do my part but the biggest voting block in Maricopa County are independents out numbering both Rep and Dem. That’s going to be a real problem for Lake. She needs to shift her message to appeal to them. Not sure she is capable of that. I'm a maricopa county independent and I'm MAGA as fuck. Kari knows who her voters are and how to motivate them, karrin taylor robson is the mccain/flake machine candidate who hates her voters |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 11:20:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasn't GD all in over Rush Limbaugh's Operation Mayhem? I believe Rush Limbaugh had some success with Operation Chaos. It was the only time I voted for Hillary in primaries. Operation Chaos |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 11:22:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I was a Utah resident and the choice is Romney and some Den….I would vote Romney. I am voting Rep no matter what but I don’t have a good feeling about Lake beating Hobbs in AZ. I will do my part but the biggest voting block in Maricopa County are independents out numbering both Rep and Dem. That’s going to be a real problem for Lake. She needs to shift her message to appeal to them. Not sure she is capable of that. Not all registered IND voters are 'swing' voters. I went from GOP to IND when Rep Kolbe fucked us on border issues, I only temporarily return to the GOP just prior to an Az 'Presidential Preference Election' (Closed Presidential Primary", so I can vote in the GOP PRESIDENTIAL primary. Why do I do it? Because I don't like rewarding the 'bad behavior' of the GOP Lake's aggressive messaging probably wouldn't resonate well with true swing voters if things were even close to being just "OK" in this country, but things are not even close to being "OK". "Swing voters" MIGHT just also consider that she's been willing to explore both sides of the aisle if even for a moment.  |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 11:23:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: and look where Buckley's rule got us now after doing that all these years 
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Posted: 8/8/2022 11:30:52 AM EDT
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The Democrats have planned all this out. What a bunch of bullshit.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 11:33:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem is who's defining "electable". That needs to be us, not talking heads or controlled-opposition party leadership. It's not us, it never will be us, it's the middle of the road voters, voters not wedded to political parties. 100% pro-something or anti-something candidate running in a district that does not go along with that are less likely to win than candidates with views more consistent with their voters. What matters is winning elections, not primaries. In any case, open primaries are an abomination and should be abolished. Democrats love open primaries because they can vote for far-right kooks that will not win election. Republicans are too principled to play dirty. One side plays offense, one side just plays defense. You cannot win by only playing defense. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 11:49:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: remember when they did this with Trump, then were all like "oh no" when he won. I hope ole George Stephanopolis cries himself to bed each night for playing this game and his role in putting Trump in the White House. When Trump was running in the primaries they had him on Good Morning America seemingly every other day while the other candidates were openly complaining about not getting a single minute of air time there (ABC was not alone in this). After Trump was the republican candidate, George turned on Trump HARD. Only had him on when they wanted to challenge (mock) something said. They wanted Trump because they thought he was beatable. To quote the meme "WRONG!!". I honestly think this explains the utter devastation you saw on the news commentator's faces on election night. Deep down they knew that they helped promote Trump in the primaries, thinking Hillary in a landslide. LOL. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 12:04:56 PM EDT
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The red wave is BS. When many of the women of this country take to the polls this year inflation, gas prices, crime, and perhaps the open borders will be on their minds but in the end the removal of Roe V Wade will trump all. The know that down the line inflation will be lowered and gas prices will come down but abortion in so many states will be gone forever. They will be thinking of their bodies, the bodies of their daughters, and grand daughters whether born yet or not.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 12:10:37 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The red wave is BS. When many of the women of this country take to the polls this year inflation, gas prices, crime, and perhaps the open borders will be on their minds but in the end the removal of Roe V Wade will trump all. The know that down the line inflation will be lowered and gas prices will come down but abortion in so many states will be gone forever. They will be thinking of their bodies, the bodies of their daughters, and grand daughters whether born yet or not. If Democrats stay in power, inflation and gas will NOT come down. What planet are you on? There are way more anti abortion women than you think |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 12:11:00 PM EDT
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I believe you are wrong OP. Our interests aren’t served by putting Republicans into office. We need to WIN. Advancing the careers of moderates and spineless politicians does nothing to help long-term.
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