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Posted: 10/14/2022 6:36:31 AM EDT
[#1]
In another 6 months when those run out they be reactivating T34's and IS2's
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Posted: 10/14/2022 6:36:48 AM EDT
[#2]
they have been using the T-62 for over a month now in Ukraine in large numbers and have lost a ton of them already.
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Posted: 10/14/2022 6:42:45 AM EDT
[#3]
It's honestly surprising they didn't just go for the t55's. If they're gonna be disposable they will do the job.
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Posted: 10/14/2022 6:44:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: they have been using the T-62 for over a month now in Ukraine in large numbers and have lost a ton of them already. 
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Posted: 10/14/2022 6:45:07 AM EDT
[#5]
Somewhere in the big thread is a claim that 15% of recent tank kills are T-62
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Posted: 10/14/2022 6:46:35 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wouldn't that constitute less than one tank....you should have said..."shit ton". Then it would be like...a bunch or something. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: they have been using the T-62 for over a month now in Ukraine in large numbers and have lost a ton of them already. Well that depends if it's a metric or imperial shit ton. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 6:48:45 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Somewhere in the big thread is a claim that 15% of recent tank kills are T-62 Damn. Wonder if an AT-4 will penetrate a T-62? The only AT-4 training I ever had was in basic, they said to aim for a track on a tank. But a T-62 is old enough, maybe you could punch through? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 6:52:26 AM EDT
[#8]
Russia is gonna be in a world of hurt if China decides to make a move to reclaim what they think is theirs in the East.
Kind of fortuitous that Chinese-owned politicians in the West have backed Ukraine and bled out Russia, materially. TC |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 6:56:50 AM EDT
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In WW2, the Soviets we're losing equipment and men at huge rates. The US kept them from falling apart by supplying them with enormous amounts of equipment and basic supplies.
In Ukraine, the US is not supplying the Russians. The US is supplying the Ukraine. I don't know why the Russians think they can fight much smaller nations right next to them without US help. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 6:57:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's honestly surprising they didn't just go for the t55's. If they're gonna be disposable they will do the job. They can use that enigma package that the Iraqis used for extra armor………still probably get opened like a tin can by a javelin but they will look cool doing it |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 6:59:24 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well that depends if it's a metric or imperial shit ton. I was taught by an Air Force pilot, on either end it’s a metric shit ton or an RCH, those are the extreme measures on each end. Recent picture of UVZ’s factory floor. Even getting the SU-122’s ready for use. This stuff is nuts.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:12:48 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was taught by an Air Force pilot, on either end it’s a metric shit ton or an RCH, those are the extreme measures on each end. Recent picture of UVZ’s factory floor. Even getting the SU-122’s ready for use. This stuff is nuts. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/1AF99C3F-37A9-46EC-B9B0-9ADF1A470724_jpe-2562381.JPG Pretty sure that is a WWII Vintage Soviet SU-100 instead of a SU-122. SU-100 has the long direct fire gun, Vs. shorter howitzer of the SU-122 Maybe Putin ordered them to get it ready for the Russian "Victory Parade" down the center of Kiev ...  Bigger_Hammer 
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:15:09 AM EDT
[#13]
And to think our government convinced us for decades that the Soviets were such a threat and we bought it all.
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:15:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure that is a WWII Vintage Soviet SU-100 instead of a SU-122. SU-100 has the long direct fire gun, Vs. shorter howitzer of the SU-122 Maybe Putin ordered them to get it ready for the Russian "Victory Parade" down the center of Kiev ... Bigger_Hammer Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was taught by an Air Force pilot, on either end it’s a metric shit ton or an RCH, those are the extreme measures on each end. Recent picture of UVZ’s factory floor. Even getting the SU-122’s ready for use. This stuff is nuts. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/1AF99C3F-37A9-46EC-B9B0-9ADF1A470724_jpe-2562381.JPG Pretty sure that is a WWII Vintage Soviet SU-100 instead of a SU-122. SU-100 has the long direct fire gun, Vs. shorter howitzer of the SU-122 Maybe Putin ordered them to get it ready for the Russian "Victory Parade" down the center of Kiev ... Bigger_Hammer Yep. That’s an SU-100…….. 122 has the big brake on the end of the barrel……. It’s going to be funny seeing those roll into combat, only to get can-opened by an AT weapon…… what’s next, T-34s and JS-2s? There’s a reason the Russkies don’t throw stuff away |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:24:58 AM EDT
[#15]
Genius move, when you think about it. Send the domestic political enemies in the old equipment to use up all of Ukraines advanced ATGMs, then follow up with the A-team in the good tanks. Kiev is toast.
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:26:32 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Genius move, when you think about it. Send the domestic political enemies in the old equipment to use up all of Ukraines advanced ATGMs, then follow up with the A-team in the good tanks. Kiev is toast. I think the A Team has been pretty much depleted at this point…… |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:27:21 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. That’s an SU-100…….. 122 has the big brake on the end of the barrel……. It’s going to be funny seeing those roll into combat, only to get can-opened by an AT weapon…… what’s next, T-34s and JS-2s? There’s a reason the Russkies don’t throw stuff away The Leftists in the West should be LOVING the Russian. Apparently the Russians have the best recycling program on earth. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:32:38 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure that is a WWII Vintage Soviet SU-100 instead of a SU-122. SU-100 has the long direct fire gun, Vs. shorter howitzer of the SU-122 Maybe Putin ordered them to get it ready for the Russian "Victory Parade" down the center of Kiev ... Bigger_Hammer My bad, I should have known that! Some say the US is going to fight to the last Ukrainian. I think that’s inaccurate and mean-spirited. I think the truth is, the |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:34:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn. Wonder if an AT-4 will penetrate a T-62? The only AT-4 training I ever had was in basic, they said to aim for a track on a tank. But a T-62 is old enough, maybe you could punch through? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Somewhere in the big thread is a claim that 15% of recent tank kills are T-62 Damn. Wonder if an AT-4 will penetrate a T-62? The only AT-4 training I ever had was in basic, they said to aim for a track on a tank. But a T-62 is old enough, maybe you could punch through? The T-62 only has 242mm of armor on its front turret facing. The HEAT warhead on an AT-4 will penetrate 450mm. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:36:09 AM EDT
[#20]
Into the meat grinder.
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:37:07 AM EDT
[#21]
They’ll be using horse drawn carts to bring in the artillery at this rate.
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:37:14 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My bad, I should have known that! Some say the US is going to fight to the last Ukrainian. I think that’s inaccurate and mean-spirited. I think the truth is, the Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pretty sure that is a WWII Vintage Soviet SU-100 instead of a SU-122. SU-100 has the long direct fire gun, Vs. shorter howitzer of the SU-122 Maybe Putin ordered them to get it ready for the Russian "Victory Parade" down the center of Kiev ... Bigger_Hammer My bad, I should have known that! Some say the US is going to fight to the last Ukrainian. I think that’s inaccurate and mean-spirited. I think the truth is, the They have warehouses full of them, as well as artillery and other leftovers…….. the scrap metal business should be good for a few years |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:41:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The T-62 only has 242mm of armor on its front turret facing. The HEAT warhead on an AT-4 will penetrate 450mm. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Somewhere in the big thread is a claim that 15% of recent tank kills are T-62 Damn. Wonder if an AT-4 will penetrate a T-62? The only AT-4 training I ever had was in basic, they said to aim for a track on a tank. But a T-62 is old enough, maybe you could punch through? The T-62 only has 242mm of armor on its front turret facing. The HEAT warhead on an AT-4 will penetrate 450mm. The T-62s in question are the M model and MV model which use appliqué armor (450mm RHAe) and ERA respectively on the glacis and turret cheeks specifically to stop things like the AT-4. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:44:30 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In WW2, the Soviets we're losing equipment and men at huge rates. The US kept them from falling apart by supplying them with enormous amounts of equipment and basic supplies. In Ukraine, the US is not supplying the Russians. The US is supplying the Ukraine. I don't know why the Russians think they can fight much smaller nations right next to them without US help. Because by the end of the war the Russians were doing quite well with production. They (mostly women/children) literally moved manufacturing facilities across the country. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:44:41 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In WW2, the Soviets we're losing equipment and men at huge rates. The US kept them from falling apart by supplying them with enormous amounts of equipment and basic supplies. In Ukraine, the US is not supplying the Russians. The US is supplying the Ukraine. I don't know why the Russians think they can fight much smaller nations right next to them without US help. Ego. They’re also getting supplies from other nations nations. We’re basically watching a proxy WWIII at this point minus the nukes |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:48:02 AM EDT
[#26]
And so it turned that Russia, like Iraq, really wasnt much of a threat to the world after all......
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:48:26 AM EDT
[#27]
They’ve been using T62s for over a month in theatre.
Ukraine has pics and videos of capturing tons of them. I assume abandoned due to reliability issues on the front. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:51:27 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ego. They’re also getting supplies from other nations nations. We’re basically watching a proxy WWIII at this point minus the nukes Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In WW2, the Soviets we're losing equipment and men at huge rates. The US kept them from falling apart by supplying them with enormous amounts of equipment and basic supplies. In Ukraine, the US is not supplying the Russians. The US is supplying the Ukraine. I don't know why the Russians think they can fight much smaller nations right next to them without US help. Ego. They’re also getting supplies from other nations nations. We’re basically watching a proxy WWIII at this point minus the nukes Korea was a worse proxy war. NATO/US troops dying en mass while (hush hush) actually fighting Russian and Chinese troops head to head. The Soviet Union and China basically provided 100% of the NORKS military equipment in that war as well as Soviet and Chinese pilots, officers/commanders, and basic troops on the ground. Both the US and USSR were nuclear capable at that time. Can’t really call it “ww3” if the only Americans or western troops dying are private combat adventurers. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:52:56 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And to think our government convinced us for decades that the Soviets were such a threat and we bought it all. They were. They haven’t advanced their logistics or human war fighters since the fall of the USSR. Their technically advanced arms are often paper tigers. They are junk, don’t have the skills to employ them or don’t have numbers to affect the battlefield. They also weren’t ever prepared to invade UKR but only to drive in. This reflects on incompetent leadership from the top down. Putin surrounded himself with yes men instead of honest generals. Oh well. Putin needs to be dead to end this thing. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:53:00 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn. Wonder if an AT-4 will penetrate a T-62? The only AT-4 training I ever had was in basic, they said to aim for a track on a tank. But a T-62 is old enough, maybe you could punch through? The at4 will penetrate any part of the t62 from nearly any angle. The Nam era M72 can penetrate the side and front, but would have a hard time on the turret. The t62 is marginally better than a is2 or a tiger. Compared to an m1 Abraham's the armor is about 15% as effective. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:54:10 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. That’s an SU-100…….. 122 has the big brake on the end of the barrel……. It’s going to be funny seeing those roll into combat, only to get can-opened by an AT weapon…… what’s next, T-34s and JS-2s? There’s a reason the Russkies don’t throw stuff away Those hulls in the background appear to be T-34s..... |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:55:55 AM EDT
[#32]
Tamiya models sells a ton of T-62's.
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:56:42 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Those hulls in the background appear to be T-34s..... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yep. That’s an SU-100…….. 122 has the big brake on the end of the barrel……. It’s going to be funny seeing those roll into combat, only to get can-opened by an AT weapon…… what’s next, T-34s and JS-2s? There’s a reason the Russkies don’t throw stuff away Those hulls in the background appear to be T-34s..... They are…..might see some T-34s upgunned on the battlefield soon……be funny if the Ukrainians had a Panther they took out of storage somewhere and engaged them with it |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:00:17 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The T-62s in question are the M model and MV model which use appliqué armor (450mm RHAe) and ERA respectively on the glacis and turret cheeks specifically to stop things like the AT-4. On some. Some that have been seen are basic t62s witbout armor upgrades. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:00:40 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Genius move, when you think about it. Send the domestic political enemies in the old equipment to use up all of Ukraines advanced ATGMs, then follow up with the A-team in the good tanks. Kiev is toast. Russia will run out of tanks before the west stops sending ATGMs |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:01:06 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ego. They’re also getting supplies from other nations nations. We’re basically watching a proxy WWIII at this point minus the nukes Iran and North Korea. No other major level of material is around. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:01:20 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And to think our government convinced us for decades that the Soviets were such a threat and we bought it all. "The Soviets" were the larger USSR plus the Warsaw Pact. You can check a map to confirm, but that's a heck of a lot more people and countries. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:05:33 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was taught by an Air Force pilot, on either end it’s a metric shit ton or an RCH, those are the extreme measures on each end. Recent picture of UVZ’s factory floor. Even getting the SU-122’s ready for use. This stuff is nuts. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/1AF99C3F-37A9-46EC-B9B0-9ADF1A470724_jpe-2562381.JPG If this is actually a picture of vehicles being prepared for combat and not restored for a museum or parade I can’t imagine what the troops who get them will be thinking |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:05:57 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wouldn't that constitute less than one tank....you should have said..."shit ton". Then it would be like...a bunch or something. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: they have been using the T-62 for over a month now in Ukraine in large numbers and have lost a ton of them already. Lol,,"Metric shit ton" . There. 
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:05:59 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "The Soviets" were the larger USSR plus the Warsaw Pact. You can check a map to confirm, but that's a heck of a lot more people and countries. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And to think our government convinced us for decades that the Soviets were such a threat and we bought it all. "The Soviets" were the larger USSR plus the Warsaw Pact. You can check a map to confirm, but that's a heck of a lot more people and countries. And? 1985 NATO would've whooped their asses . The ONLY issue would've been keeping people supplied w enough ammo . Russian equipment has been shown to be total crap . |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:06:48 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure that is a WWII Vintage Soviet SU-100 instead of a SU-122. SU-100 has the long direct fire gun, Vs. shorter howitzer of the SU-122 Maybe Putin ordered them to get it ready for the Russian "Victory Parade" down the center of Kiev ... Bigger_Hammer Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was taught by an Air Force pilot, on either end it's a metric shit ton or an RCH, those are the extreme measures on each end. Recent picture of UVZ's factory floor. Even getting the SU-122's ready for use. This stuff is nuts. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/1AF99C3F-37A9-46EC-B9B0-9ADF1A470724_jpe-2562381.JPG Pretty sure that is a WWII Vintage Soviet SU-100 instead of a SU-122. SU-100 has the long direct fire gun, Vs. shorter howitzer of the SU-122 Maybe Putin ordered them to get it ready for the Russian "Victory Parade" down the center of Kiev ... Bigger_Hammer Yup, that's an SU-100. And, if I'm not mistaken, those are T-34 hulls on the right side of the picture. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:08:17 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was taught by an Air Force pilot, on either end it’s a metric shit ton or an RCH, those are the extreme measures on each end. Recent picture of UVZ’s factory floor. Even getting the SU-122’s ready for use. This stuff is nuts. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/1AF99C3F-37A9-46EC-B9B0-9ADF1A470724_jpe-2562381.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well that depends if it's a metric or imperial shit ton. I was taught by an Air Force pilot, on either end it’s a metric shit ton or an RCH, those are the extreme measures on each end. Recent picture of UVZ’s factory floor. Even getting the SU-122’s ready for use. This stuff is nuts. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/1AF99C3F-37A9-46EC-B9B0-9ADF1A470724_jpe-2562381.JPG That can't be an SU-122 Only one left in existence and it's in a museum. That looks different Su-85 maybe? Edited: nvm SU-100 |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:09:10 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. That’s an SU-100…….. 122 has the big brake on the end of the barrel……. It’s going to be funny seeing those roll into combat, only to get can-opened by an AT weapon…… what’s next, T-34s and JS-2s? There’s a reason the Russkies don’t throw stuff away Maybe somewhere sitting in Russia there's a warehouse full of BT-2s... 
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:23:37 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If this is actually a picture of vehicles being prepared for combat and not restored for a museum or parade I can’t imagine what the troops who get them will be thinking Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was taught by an Air Force pilot, on either end it’s a metric shit ton or an RCH, those are the extreme measures on each end. Recent picture of UVZ’s factory floor. Even getting the SU-122’s ready for use. This stuff is nuts. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/1AF99C3F-37A9-46EC-B9B0-9ADF1A470724_jpe-2562381.JPG If this is actually a picture of vehicles being prepared for combat and not restored for a museum or parade I can’t imagine what the troops who get them will be thinking Probably something along the lines of “I’m too drunk to taste this chicken.” |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:24:17 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And? 1985 NATO would've whooped their asses . The ONLY issue would've been keeping people supplied w enough ammo . Russian equipment has been shown to be total crap . The technological gap was much narrower in 1985. The Soldiers serving at that time were probably the best the army has ever fielded though. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:26:30 AM EDT
[#46]
Lost in this is the question of whether tanks in general are obsolete now.
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:30:37 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If this is actually a picture of vehicles being prepared for combat and not restored for a museum or parade I can't imagine what the troops who get them will be thinking Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was taught by an Air Force pilot, on either end it's a metric shit ton or an RCH, those are the extreme measures on each end. Recent picture of UVZ's factory floor. Even getting the SU-122's ready for use. This stuff is nuts. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/1AF99C3F-37A9-46EC-B9B0-9ADF1A470724_jpe-2562381.JPG If this is actually a picture of vehicles being prepared for combat and not restored for a museum or parade I can't imagine what the troops who get them will be thinking m |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:36:19 AM EDT
[#48]
LMFAO!!!!
Whats next ? . . . Panzershrecks and Maxims ?     
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:38:04 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was taught by an Air Force pilot, on either end it’s a metric shit ton or an RCH, those are the extreme measures on each end. Recent picture of UVZ’s factory floor. Even getting the SU-122’s ready for use. This stuff is nuts. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/1AF99C3F-37A9-46EC-B9B0-9ADF1A470724_jpe-2562381.JPG Holy craptastic, SU-100’s and T-34’s. Christ, WWII level tech going against 21st century tech, hopefully these guys are doing restorations and sales to offset the cost of their costs of doing business in the Ukraine. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:40:48 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And? 1985 NATO would've whooped their asses . The ONLY issue would've been keeping people supplied w enough ammo . Russian equipment has been shown to be total crap . |
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