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Posted: 4/17/2023 12:46:25 PM EDT
[#1]
I'm not into electric cars but I am into the Tesla purchasing model.
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Posted: 4/17/2023 12:47:11 PM EDT
[#2]
Fuck EVs
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Posted: 4/17/2023 12:49:28 PM EDT
[#3]
I don't really want a car that watches everything that goes on in my garage and has employees of the company sending clips to each other of private moments inside my house.
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Posted: 4/17/2023 12:52:28 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck EVs |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 1:04:28 PM EDT
[#5]
In after the EV butthurt from guys who like supporting OPEC
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Posted: 4/17/2023 1:15:02 PM EDT
[#6]
Says not a super fan of EV, buys another EV.
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Posted: 4/17/2023 1:17:59 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In after the EV butthurt from guys who like supporting OPEC 
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Posted: 4/17/2023 1:19:55 PM EDT
[#8]
It’s your funeral
 
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Posted: 4/17/2023 1:21:43 PM EDT
[#9]
FPNI
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Posted: 4/17/2023 1:22:38 PM EDT
[#10]
Apparently, you exercising your free market rights threatens some people’s manhood.
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Posted: 4/17/2023 1:27:19 PM EDT
[#11]
Just checking out the Tesla 3 site the base rwd goes for $41,990. I'd need the AWD for the winter for $52,990. Damn that's expensive. Plus then a supercharger install at my house. Id love a EV if they were more affordable.
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Posted: 4/17/2023 1:28:55 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently, you exercising your free market rights threatens some people’s manhood. Purchases because of $7500 tax credit. "free market"  "all for capitalism"
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Posted: 4/17/2023 1:32:57 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted: Some models are in, but getting the creature comforts you and and more importantly what you don't want you have to "build to suit" and its months out for delivery. There is your answer. Plan ahead and use a dealer who does add the upcharge. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 1:33:36 PM EDT
[#14]
Wife and I picked up a 3 with the tax credit too. Awesome deal while it lasts. Great car
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Posted: 4/17/2023 1:33:42 PM EDT
[#15]
Gubmint subsidized.
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Posted: 4/17/2023 1:35:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2023 1:37:06 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently, you exercising your free market rights threatens some people’s manhood. Buying EVs helps support the push to force ICE out of the market. It's best that that push is punished ASAP to minimize the damage. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 1:38:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Buying EVs helps support the push to force ICE out of the market. It's best that that push is punished ASAP to minimize the damage. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Apparently, you exercising your free market rights threatens some people’s manhood. Buying EVs helps support the push to force ICE out of the market. It's best that that push is punished ASAP to minimize the damage. Yep |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 1:38:37 PM EDT
[#19]
Pics of old Tesla?
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Posted: 4/17/2023 2:03:29 PM EDT
[#20]
Isn't that $7500 tax credit going away and/or have phase outs based upon income, so Tesla has had to lower their prices overall to offset that tax credit loss?
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Posted: 4/17/2023 2:10:47 PM EDT
[#21]
Tesla's purchasing method is awesome.....I've spent more time ordering a pizza online than buying my car.
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Posted: 4/17/2023 2:11:32 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't that $7500 tax credit going away and/or have phase outs based upon income, so Tesla has had to lower their prices overall to offset that tax credit loss? Tesla couldn't keep up with demand for years when their cars weren't eligible for the federal tax credit. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 2:16:24 PM EDT
[#23]
Congrats! I would seriously consider getting one if I needed an "around town" car.
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Posted: 4/17/2023 2:31:21 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just checking out the Tesla 3 site the base rwd goes for $41,990. I'd need the AWD for the winter for $52,990. Damn that's expensive. Plus then a supercharger install at my house. Id love a EV if they were more affordable. A body of mine has a model 3 in IL. I asked him how it works in the snow. He says it's the best car he's ever had for snow. His model (a little older) has the option to run rwd, or switch it to awd. He says he never uses awd as it uses more juice and with rwd in the snow and ice he can't tell the difference and is in rwd 99% of the time no matter the weather. FYI. That's why I went with the rwd. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 2:33:06 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Purchases because of $7500 tax credit. "free market" "all for capitalism" Get back $7,500 or pay a dealer surcharge of $10,000.00+ over MSRP? Not a tough choice. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 2:34:00 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just checking out the Tesla 3 site the base rwd goes for $41,990. I'd need the AWD for the winter for $52,990. Damn that's expensive. Plus then a supercharger install at my house. Id love a EV if they were more affordable. If you have a 240v plug in your garage the charger is only $200. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 2:38:18 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just checking out the Tesla 3 site the base rwd goes for $41,990. I'd need the AWD for the winter for $52,990. Damn that's expensive. Plus then a supercharger install at my house. Id love a EV if they were more affordable. But think of all the money you will save on gas and maintenance!!! IT PAYS FOR ITSELF. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 2:39:44 PM EDT
[#28]
EV's are really cool so people who like really cool stuff will buy them. When enough people have them and depend on them and ICE vehicles begin to be rare the screws will begin to turn in terms of various limitations on your driving a charging of them... based on your ESG score of course.
If you want one fine but should always have an older ICE vehicle for backup in case your ESG score drops below par. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 3:07:25 PM EDT
[#29]
Are we still pretending that ICE vehicles are more "freedom" than electric, which you can literally charge from your own solar panels on the roof of your house if you choose?
Are you refining petroleum in your garage? |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 3:09:07 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Id love a EV if they were more affordable. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 3:10:43 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you have a 240v plug in your garage the charger is only $200. Close. True to Elons word, he's lowering prices as things scale. We paid $550 for our home charger, 2.5 years ago. Now: Tesla home charger. Works like a champ |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 3:29:54 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Close. True to Elons word, he's lowering prices as things scale. We paid $550 for our home charger, 2.5 years ago. Now: Tesla home charger. Works like a champ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you have a 240v plug in your garage the charger is only $200. Close. True to Elons word, he's lowering prices as things scale. We paid $550 for our home charger, 2.5 years ago. Now: Tesla home charger. Works like a champ I already had a 50amp plug in the garage so I just used the mobile connector. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 3:42:09 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are we still pretending that ICE vehicles are more "freedom" than electric, which you can literally charge from your own solar panels on the roof of your house if you choose? Are you refining petroleum in your garage? ICE is more freedom. As an example, the Canadian trucker protest would have been shut down easy by turning off the public chargers in the area if they were EVs. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 3:44:27 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Get back $7,500 or pay a dealer surcharge of $10,000.00+ over MSRP? Not a tough choice. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Purchases because of $7500 tax credit. "free market" "all for capitalism" Get back $7,500 or pay a dealer surcharge of $10,000.00+ over MSRP? Not a tough choice. Free healthcare Free education Free housing not a tough choice, right? |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 3:50:14 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ICE is more freedom. As an example, the Canadian trucker protest would have been shut down easy by turning off the public chargers in the area if they were EVs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are we still pretending that ICE vehicles are more "freedom" than electric, which you can literally charge from your own solar panels on the roof of your house if you choose? Are you refining petroleum in your garage? ICE is more freedom. As an example, the Canadian trucker protest would have been shut down easy by turning off the public chargers in the area if they were EVs. Again, you can get "fuel" poured from the sky every day during daylight hours. Who needs a public charger, unless you're making cross-country trips? Are you saying that they could never simply stop delivering petroleum to gas stations if they wanted people to stay home? You have petroleum in your tank at the government's whim. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 3:54:47 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, you can get "fuel" poured from the sky every day during daylight hours. Who needs a public charger, unless you're making cross-country trips? Are you saying that they could never simply stop delivering petroleum to gas stations if they wanted people to stay home? You have petroleum in your tank at the government's whim. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Are we still pretending that ICE vehicles are more "freedom" than electric, which you can literally charge from your own solar panels on the roof of your house if you choose? Are you refining petroleum in your garage? ICE is more freedom. As an example, the Canadian trucker protest would have been shut down easy by turning off the public chargers in the area if they were EVs. Again, you can get "fuel" poured from the sky every day during daylight hours. Who needs a public charger, unless you're making cross-country trips? Are you saying that they could never simply stop delivering petroleum to gas stations if they wanted people to stay home? You have petroleum in your tank at the government's whim. I bet that less than 15% of people with solar panels have a grid disconnected mode with useful storage. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 4:15:58 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ICE is more freedom. As an example, the Canadian trucker protest would have been shut down easy by turning off the public chargers in the area if they were EVs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are we still pretending that ICE vehicles are more "freedom" than electric, which you can literally charge from your own solar panels on the roof of your house if you choose? Are you refining petroleum in your garage? ICE is more freedom. As an example, the Canadian trucker protest would have been shut down easy by turning off the public chargers in the area if they were EVs. Didn't the government freeze all their accounts? How many of those truckers had enough cash to fill up a semi? |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 4:16:24 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, you can get "fuel" poured from the sky every day during daylight hours. Who needs a public charger, unless you're making cross-country trips? Are you saying that they could never simply stop delivering petroleum to gas stations if they wanted people to stay home? You have petroleum in your tank at the government's whim. You are thinking about it wrong. Hint: I provided a real world example for why ICE is more freedom. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 4:18:05 PM EDT
[#39]
congrats OP! Did you get the RWD or the Performance?
I have a older Tesla Model 3 SR+ which is fairly similar to the current Model 3 RWD. I've been wanting to get a longer range one for road trips, but it is so rare that I take trips out of town that I'm not in any rush to replace the SR+. Every time I drive it I am reminded how much I love Teslas. They are fast, responsive and just so smooth compared to ICE cars. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 4:18:48 PM EDT
[#40]
My local Toyota dealership never did market adjustment or whatever. I'll buy my next vehicle from them when I need it.
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Posted: 4/17/2023 4:20:34 PM EDT
[#41]
I lost all interest in Teslas when I found out they don’t support Apple CarPlay. That was surpring. Hopefully that will change eventually. Unless Musk has some personal grudge against it.
Unless Tesla has a comparable product. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 4:23:54 PM EDT
[#42]
I've been kicking around the idea of a second vehicle myself... the Ridgeline is a great truck for me, and right now while I'm still single, it's fine. Even if gas prices go up, it won't hurt me that much. A base Model 3 with the tax credit would be p nice. I've got about 2 years left paying on the RL, but might have a wifey by then (if all goes well, and it is going well!), and having a second vehicle will be very nice... not quite an absolute necessity, but a very good thing. A base Model 3 might be the front-runner.
ETA: I am still on a waitlist for a Toyota Rav4 Prime, which might be available to me around July. While I like the idea of that vehicle, and that it could do everything I need... it might still eventually be advantageous to have a second vehicle. I may still seriously consider the Rav4P, but trade-in on the current truck, total price and financing rates are what I'd seriously have to consider. If I pull the trigger on that, I think I would want to stay with one vehicle until it's paid off. ETAMORE: If Tesla does announce a less-expensive Model 2... I may wait for one of those, or get on a wait list if they start one. I'd love it if they produced them here in Austin. I'd go pick it up from the factory if I could. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 4:28:44 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just checking out the Tesla 3 site the base rwd goes for $41,990. I'd need the AWD for the winter for $52,990. Damn that's expensive. Plus then a supercharger install at my house. Id love a EV if they were more affordable. Picked up the model 3 performance last month. They’re $1000 less now. Used to hate driving. This thing makes driving fun. Scared the shit out of me the first time I punched it. Drive into work the next day I was a nervous wreck trying to get used to the go peddle, then trying to figure out all the controls and what it can do. Thing is a rocket. If he manages to produce the $20k version, Tesla’s will be about all you will see on the road, especially if state and federal tax credits/rebates stick around. Teslas warranty includes roadside assistance, towing to their service center if needed, they’ll even send someone to your location for any minor repairs/fixes needed. Sucks TX legislature just passed a $400 initial, $200 annual registration fee for EV to go into effect shortly. Super simple to install the charger yourself and it sure is nice not having to make stops for gas. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 4:32:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't the government freeze all their accounts? How many of those truckers had enough cash to fill up a semi? They kept going for months. The police tried to prevent them from bringing in fuel, but they were always able to bring it in. Eventually they had to send in police to drive the truckers out with force. The government would not have had to resort to such methods if the trucks were EVs. Also note they were idling the trucks to stay warm and to use as generators, "fill up" wasn't always necessary. The cold would have been even worse with EVs. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 4:40:21 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You are thinking about it wrong. Hint: I provided a real world example for why ICE is more freedom. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Again, you can get "fuel" poured from the sky every day during daylight hours. Who needs a public charger, unless you're making cross-country trips? Are you saying that they could never simply stop delivering petroleum to gas stations if they wanted people to stay home? You have petroleum in your tank at the government's whim. You are thinking about it wrong. Hint: I provided a real world example for why ICE is more freedom. The Canadian trucker protest isn't a great example, because running a truck for heat isn't efficient, and uses close to a gallon an hour of fuel. Teslas mostly have heatpumps now that sip electricity, and max out at ~700W of consumption. So, a decent inverter generator would keep the battery charged up with the heat running full blast at about 0.18 gallons of fuel per hour. So, for fuel carried into the trucker protest, a Tesla would need about 1/4 as much as a truck. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 4:42:00 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, you can get "fuel" poured from the sky every day during daylight hours. Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, you can get "fuel" poured from the sky every day during daylight hours. Lol OK, let's see the numbers to support that position. I'm an engineer mind you so make it a strong response. I want to see charge rate, number and cost of panels to produce that, adjusted for sunlight intensity and duration in PA. Quoted: Are you saying that they could never simply stop delivering petroleum to gas stations if they wanted people to stay home? I have > 450kWh of energy stored in my garage, in hydrocarbon form. Do you have that amount of energy stored, in batteries ? EV's have their place, I am interested in getting one in the near future. But it's a narrow role, they are a terrible choice from an environmental perspective, and from a independence perspective. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 4:45:13 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Purchases because of $7500 tax credit. "free market" "all for capitalism" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Apparently, you exercising your free market rights threatens some people’s manhood. Purchases because of $7500 tax credit. "free market" "all for capitalism" Nobody wants complete capitalism. There will be some incentives and regulation. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 4:49:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, you can get "fuel" poured from the sky every day during daylight hours. Who needs a public charger, unless you're making cross-country trips? Are you saying that they could never simply stop delivering petroleum to gas stations if they wanted people to stay home? You have petroleum in your tank at the government's whim. I'm sure that sun pouring down in Alaska during the fall and winter will keep their EV's topped off without a problem. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 4:50:19 PM EDT
[#49]
My wife would call me a pussy and make fun of me if I bought an EV. lol
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Posted: 4/17/2023 4:51:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They kept going for months. The police tried to prevent them from bringing in fuel, but they were always able to bring it in. Eventually they had to send in police to drive the truckers out with force. The government would not have had to resort to such methods if the trucks were EVs. Also note they were idling the trucks to stay warm and to use as generators, "fill up" wasn't always necessary. The cold would have been even worse with EVs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Didn't the government freeze all their accounts? How many of those truckers had enough cash to fill up a semi? They kept going for months. The police tried to prevent them from bringing in fuel, but they were always able to bring it in. Eventually they had to send in police to drive the truckers out with force. The government would not have had to resort to such methods if the trucks were EVs. Also note they were idling the trucks to stay warm and to use as generators, "fill up" wasn't always necessary. The cold would have been even worse with EVs. So without tons of outside support they would have been shut down pretty quick. How much outside support do you expect to have if the .gov comes after you? I'm guessing for most people it's a fairly short list. If the .gov decides to limit your movement, eventually they will likely win. Your best bet to beat it would be to have multiple options available and one of those options could be EV....since technically you could charge at home on solar. It would be slow as hell but better than nothing. I'd guess that most people who own EV's also own ICE vehicles but your assuming it's a binary choice. |
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