If Bush Sr was so entwined with the CIA, how did he lose to Clinton?

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Posted: 5/19/2023 3:46:46 PM EDT

That always seemed sus to me, but then the more I looked it seems like Clinton and the CIA/FBI got along just fine.

Did Bush not want to win, and struck a deal with Clinton? Was Perot involved...because he has to know he was never going to win.

Also...Sr and Jeb were behind how W was elected and reelected. So that one is obvious and W was termed out. We all knock Cheney couldn't run because he couldn't take the stress with his heart.

Posted: 5/19/2023 3:47:35 PM EDT

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Ross Perot stole his votes

Posted: 5/19/2023 3:48:22 PM EDT

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No new taxes and Perot.

Posted: 5/19/2023 3:48:30 PM EDT

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"Read my lips, no new taxes"

Posted: 5/19/2023 3:48:37 PM EDT

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Knowing what we know, you think they just couldn't get to Perot because he was independently wealth like Trump?

Posted: 5/19/2023 3:48:45 PM EDT

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Posted: 5/19/2023 3:49:05 PM EDT

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Ross Perot and a saxophone on Carson.

Read my lips, no new taxes and an ambush by Stephanopoulos on Larry King.

It was a snowball effect.

Happy days are here again.

Bill Clinton on The Johnny Carson Show 1988

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfcKQcGg_sM

President George Bush VS George Stephanopoulos 1992

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSn3VuVQH_g

Clinton's Carson Appearance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hkm3QQr6Sgg

Posted: 5/19/2023 3:49:46 PM EDT

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He went then to raise taxes?

Posted: 5/19/2023 3:50:05 PM EDT

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Birds of a feather?

Posted: 5/19/2023 3:50:42 PM EDT

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Maybe 'lose' is a relative concept at that level. Did he still have wealth, influence and power? Did he just lose his turn as figure head?

Posted: 5/19/2023 3:51:25 PM EDT

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Clinton was cool, and played the saxophone. Presidential material.

Posted: 5/19/2023 3:52:18 PM EDT

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That, puking on foreign dignitaries, talking about the "New World Order", and Clinton playing his sexaphone on Arsenio.

Posted: 5/19/2023 3:52:21 PM EDT

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There was nothing to “get”
Perot, while a real prick to work for ( I knew one of his close underlings ) , was pretty straight in business and private life.

Also, the GOP underestimated him

Posted: 5/19/2023 3:52:24 PM EDT

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He never lost influnce and power...that's how W won...he also purposely didn't want Jeb to win, and that's how Jeb never made it past Gov of FL

Posted: 5/19/2023 3:52:46 PM EDT

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He got my vote.

ETA: Perot that is.

Posted: 5/19/2023 3:53:49 PM EDT

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They did get to Perot. He suspended his campaign when they threatened his family.

Posted: 5/19/2023 3:54:46 PM EDT

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Dems pay better.

Posted: 5/19/2023 3:55:10 PM EDT

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All of Clinton's illegitimate children and girlfriends voted.

Posted: 5/19/2023 3:55:10 PM EDT

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It seems th Agency had their man either way, given what went on in Mena during the 80s.

Posted: 5/19/2023 3:55:30 PM EDT

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The other side promised more goodies. Both corrupt as fuck though.

Posted: 5/19/2023 3:57:08 PM EDT

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Because elections were fake back then too.

Posted: 5/19/2023 3:58:36 PM EDT

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Because they were friends with benefits going back to those Rhodes scholar days…

Posted: 5/19/2023 3:59:58 PM EDT

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IIRC , After he said that, The Dems passed a tax hike that bush didn’t veto, and the Dems made out like it was his idea.

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:01:57 PM EDT

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Do either of their bank accounts show where they lost?

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:05:41 PM EDT

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Bush and the CIA needed Clinton to smuggle all that cocaine into Arkansas.

They owed him a favor, and it didn't really matter which cia puppet was actually warming the chair in the oval office.

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:06:50 PM EDT

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Exactly

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:09:10 PM EDT

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Reagan opened their eyes. You can't let the electorate choose who leads the country. Since then it's been steady downhill "progress". Trump was another elected, not selected candidate.

Now, you can see they're acting like they're behind schedule, maybe four years behind schedule. That's why everything seems clown world.

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:11:50 PM EDT

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I have a gun, but I don't use it to take whatever I want. I play by the rules, at least to some extent. I suspect that just because he could call in favors, it didn't mean he would do that for an election. By the time the guy spent 4 years in the Whitehouse I suspect he had enough. It doesn't look like a fun job.

Bush Sr wasn't exactly a populist, but I do think that he thought he was a patriot.

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:12:25 PM EDT

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Reality is less exciting than the imaginations of GD.

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:13:42 PM EDT

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He didn’t even try to win re-election. He barely campaigned but didn’t really put any effort into it.

I was a little peeved at the time because I felt that if he didn’t want a second term, he should have admitted it and let someone else take the reigns.

Losing to a serial rapist back when politicians were held to a higher standard (unlike today) was pathetic.

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:13:48 PM EDT

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Clinton won with 43% of the popular vote. Perot got almost 19%. It's not that hard to figure out

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:14:17 PM EDT

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/end of story

Trump will do the same on the ‘24 election, handing a for real retard the election. Again.

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:16:04 PM EDT

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That and China being all in for Clinton

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:19:30 PM EDT

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ABC agencies don't care who wins, as long as they have both candidates in their pocket

Trump was an outsider. We all saw the world changing insanity which kicked off the second Trump started becoming a serious contender

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:20:09 PM EDT

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He didnt look like Robert Redford.

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:22:24 PM EDT

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Perot was in bed with the dems. He was smart enough to know the end results.

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:22:45 PM EDT

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ABC agencies don't care who wins, as long as they have both candidates in their pocket

Trump was an outsider. We all saw the world changing insanity which kicked off the second Trump started becoming a serious contender

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Exactly. As things get closer this time around you can guarantee they’ll be pulling out all the stops again.

Will get interesting because this time decent people will be watching more closely

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:24:09 PM EDT

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They did get to Perot. He suspended his campaign when they threatened his family.

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Knowing what we know, you think they just couldn't get to Perot because he was independently wealth like Trump?

They did get to Perot. He suspended his campaign when they threatened his family.

This. Wasn't he winning (at least in the national popular vote polls, which doesn't necessarily translate to the electoral college) before he dropped out?

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:24:30 PM EDT

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The CIA needed Bill's backyard (Mena) more than HW.

Both of them were in bed with the CIA.

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:24:40 PM EDT

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I read CIA then Clinton and immediately Mena came to mind.

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:32:26 PM EDT

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Read My Lips.

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:42:12 PM EDT

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It seems as if the investigation agencies are picking the winner of offices. Sort of a you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours...or you get me elected and I'll look the other way for all the treasonous stuff your agency does.

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:45:07 PM EDT

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The 538 analysis of Perot says that he took nearly even votes from Clinton and Bush, so not swaying the election either way.

If you trust 538.

Maybe the CIA didn't like Bush, either.

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:45:36 PM EDT

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The CIA decided that the path of political corruption for personal gain was better than the old system so they have backed the Clinton Crime machine.

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:45:55 PM EDT

[#44]

Same team, alternating power.

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:47:44 PM EDT

[#45]

The Deep State is double-dealing.

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:48:58 PM EDT

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That's was sold by the media to the public.

He had so much skeletons and corrupt dealings.

Posted: 5/19/2023 4:50:16 PM EDT

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The Bush and Clinton family are tighter than most realize.

Remember, the candidates are selected for us before we (use to) elect the winner. Nowadays we don't even get to do that.