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Posted: 12/3/2017 12:03:39 AM EDT
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I have a TA33, it’s awesome, except the FOV is tiny. I don’t care though, I love it.
If that would bother you, Maybe try to find a TA11? |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 12:24:26 AM EDT
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I would say TA31 or TA11. I run TA31's and am looking at getting the 11.
An ACOG is exactly what you are looking for and yes you will drop a good amount of felt weight |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 12:26:42 AM EDT
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ACOGs are okay optics for what they do, had one for my last rifle qual and shot 40/40 with one, which was the best I had ever done. I'm normally a 27~33 shooter so I definitely attribute my score to the ACOG.
That said, ACOGs have issue with reticle bloom or fibre optics not illuminating depending on local lighting conditions, and tritium is hella more $$$ to replace than batteries. LPOs seem much more versatile for a little bit of weight. Given you've been looking at fixed optics, I have two suggestions, a fixed-power and LPV option. 1) A Steiner M332 (x3) or M536 (x5) combat optic with an offset irons or Vortex Razor/Venom red dot. SuperSetCA has a great video that shows just how versatile such a set-up can be. You can do it with an ACOG as well but I recommended the Steiner due to a combination of great price, longer eye-relief, Steiner quality and a fast battery-powered reticle that won't wash out. 2) Steiner T5XI 1-5 is a great optic that shares a lot of features with the Razor while only being 20oz. Similarities are: bold German #4-esque reticle with BDC that's super quick to pick up even without illum, daylight bright reticle, and super clear glass. Capped turrets so you don't have to worry about being knocked off zero--and has zero reset so you can dial up and down if needed. One area where Steiner beats out the Razor (IMO) is its VERY generous eyebox, at both x1 and x5--in contrast, I found the Razor too tight at x6; couldn't get behind it without blinking out constantly. I bought the Steiner this Black Friday, waiting for it to come in. Just a personal recommendation, I'm still new to shooting with magnified optics as the majority of personal+military shooting is through ironsights. Hope it helps though. |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 12:30:25 AM EDT
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Leupold vx6hd 1-6
light weight,tough,great glass and roughly the same price |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 3:56:38 PM EDT
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Leupold vx6hd 1-6 light weight,tough,great glass and roughly the same price If your looking for a LPV that is lighter then the Vortex Razor, without loosing too much by way of capabilities, then the Leupold VX6HD 1-6x is a good option. 
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Posted: 12/3/2017 5:02:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/3/2017 6:29:38 PM EDT
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Thank you all for the replies. I took a good look at the Steiner fixed scopes but they are heavy.
My worry about the Leupold and the Khales is that they might not be rugged enough for my purpose. I do not baby my rifle at all. Of these scopes I think the TA33 is in the front running. I do have the same old complaint about it about FOV. I have never owned a TA31 so I don’t know how bad the eye relief would bother me. Any ideas on these two? |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 6:49:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Thank you all for the replies. I took a good look at the Steiner fixed scopes but they are heavy. My worry about the Leupold and the Khales is that they might not be rugged enough for my purpose. I do not baby my rifle at all. Of these scopes I think the TA33 is in the front running. I do have the same old complaint about it about FOV. I have never owned a TA31 so I don't know how bad the eye relief would bother me. Any ideas on these two? I've owned a TA33 before. Under no circumstances would I go back to it. Eye relief is much better than the TA31. But the FOV is like staring through a straw. |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 7:13:29 PM EDT
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The Leupold VX6 is a great scope considering its light weight. The only things I don't like about it are that the illumination control is clumsy and the battery compartment tends to work free so I always have to unscrew it and screw it back in. You'll usually know this is happening when the illumination starts flickering under recoil.
If you have the dough, the Kahles is the better scope due to its integrated zoom lever, better illumination control and brighter illumination, if you're talking about the GB4 reticle. |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 7:17:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Thank you all for the replies. I took a good look at the Steiner fixed scopes but they are heavy. My worry about the Leupold and the Khales is that they might not be rugged enough for my purpose. I do not baby my rifle at all. Of these scopes I think the TA33 is in the front running. I do have the same old complaint about it about FOV. I have never owned a TA31 so I don’t know how bad the eye relief would bother me. Any ideas on these two? I know the Razor has been chosen by SOCOM but c'mon... |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 7:36:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So just to be clear, you'e questioning the reliability of 2 optics companies that have each been around over 3x longer than Vortex; and neither of these companies started with budget, air-soft scopes? I know the Razor has been chosen by SOCOM but c'mon... I am not trying to be argumentative just trying to find the best optic for me. I do appreciate your help. So, what are your opinions on the TA31? I know it has a short eye relief. How damning is this in your opinion? This optic only has to be hunting and minute of man accurate. This is not a bench rifle. |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 8:52:23 PM EDT
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TA47C400151
https://swfa.com/trijicon-2x20-compact-acog-rifle-scope-16.html https://www.larue.com/products/larue-tactical-acog-rco-mount-lt681/ |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 9:01:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn’t question anything. I know they are both amazing quality optic companies. However, I am not comparing them to any Vortex scope. I am looking at ACOGs at this time. So, I would argue that the ACOG has a better track record being rugged. I did employ a Vortex scope on this rifle in the past but that is because I know that it will always be taken care of no matter what. If you could say this about the Khales I might give it a shot. I am not trying to be argumentative just trying to find the best optic for me. I do appreciate your help. So, what are your opinions on the TA31? I know it has a short eye relief. How damning is this in your opinion? This optic only has to be hunting and minute of man accurate. This is not a bench rifle. |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 9:13:06 PM EDT
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I have the exact same rifle with a Razor in NFA jail right now,I was contemplating your scope with a Geissele mount,but I like my Razor UH1 so much I ordered a G33 magnifier for it. While waiting for that I simply looked at the drop in moa between the tip of the bottom triangle amd the 1 moa dot,half that distance is about 560 yds,tip of the triangle is 665,and the bottom is around 760. It's my imaginary bdc
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Posted: 12/3/2017 9:50:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe that ACOG's are amongst the most robust optics out there; however, I think they are mediocre in just about every other respect. I would give up tank-like ruggedness of the ACOG for the versatility of a 1x variable. Built like a tank but now variable |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 9:58:36 PM EDT
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I have both TA-11 and 33, the 11 is my preferred carbine optic, 33 for sbr.
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Posted: 12/3/2017 10:01:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn’t question anything. I know they are both amazing quality optic companies. However, I am not comparing them to any Vortex scope. I am looking at ACOGs at this time. So, I would argue that the ACOG has a better track record being rugged. I did employ a Vortex scope on this rifle in the past but that is because I know that it will always be taken care of no matter what. If you could say this about the Khales I might give it a shot. I am not trying to be argumentative just trying to find the best optic for me. I do appreciate your help. So, what are your opinions on the TA31? I know it has a short eye relief. How damning is this in your opinion? This optic only has to be hunting and minute of man accurate. This is not a bench rifle. The 11/33’s give you more relief from the gas. |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 10:51:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For me, running a ta-31 and a suppressor is a no go. The 11/33’s give you more relief from the gas. |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 10:53:13 PM EDT
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I have both TA-11 and 33, the 11 is my preferred carbine optic, 33 for sbr. |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 10:55:01 PM EDT
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The 11 isn’t too heavy or doesn’t become too combersome on your rifle? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have both TA-11 and 33, the 11 is my preferred carbine optic, 33 for sbr. |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 10:57:39 PM EDT
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Kahles 1-6x, it's a 17oz Razor. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/YQTUwY"></a>https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4483/37309298252_569590c388_k.jpg20170924_193438 by B A, on Flickr |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 11:14:55 PM EDT
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first of all nice rifle, second...the kahles is a $2100 optic..wow 
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Posted: 12/3/2017 11:54:46 PM EDT
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The ta31 is an outstanding optic. It is less forgiving on the eye relief, but great in every other way. It won't let you down and I have used the optic in many different lighting conditions without issue.
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Posted: 12/4/2017 10:25:08 AM EDT
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The ta31 is an outstanding optic. It is less forgiving on the eye relief, but great in every other way. It won't let you down and I have used the optic in many different lighting conditions without issue. |
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Posted: 12/4/2017 11:20:01 AM EDT
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OP, have you looked at the Trijicon TR24 with a lightweight Aero Precision mount?
I picked up a TR21 off the EE for a great price and added an Aero Precision SPR mount. I'm not a huge fan of the eye relief on the TR21 and would recommend the TR24, but I find the light weight of the optic and mount combo simply outstanding at about 14oz. |
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Posted: 12/4/2017 12:43:17 PM EDT
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OP, have you looked at the Trijicon TR24 with a lightweight Aero Precision mount? I picked up a TR21 off the EE for a great price and added an Aero Precision SPR mount. I'm not a huge fan of the eye relief on the TR21 and would recommend the TR24, but I find the light weight of the optic and mount combo simply outstanding at about 14oz. Again. Thank you to everyone helping me figure out what to do about this dilemma. |
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Posted: 12/4/2017 12:50:54 PM EDT
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If you're set on an ACOG, I think the TA33 is the way to go. That or the TA11.
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Posted: 12/4/2017 1:24:03 PM EDT
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Kahles 1-6x, it's a 17oz Razor. https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4483/37309298252_569590c388_k.jpg20170924_193438 by B A, on Flickr 
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Posted: 12/4/2017 1:36:49 PM EDT
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If you're set on an ACOG, I think the TA33 is the way to go. That or the TA11. FOV Size/weight Eye relief Pick two. Haha. |
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Posted: 12/4/2017 1:41:17 PM EDT
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This is what made my decisions
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Posted: 12/4/2017 1:51:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't think I was set on an ACOG but maybe I am. It does hit everything I want. Light, rugged, clear, compensating reticle, simple. Ok. So now I have to run through my three options. FOV Size/weight Eye relief Pick two. Haha. |
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Posted: 12/4/2017 2:40:07 PM EDT
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The Leupold VX-6HD and Kahles K16i are both great choices. I owned the former but decided to sell and get the latter. Both have their positives and negatives but I like the K16i the best and was willing to pay the extra for it. If money is a concern, you can get new/slightly used VX-6HD's for under 1k. And since others are showing off their K16i's, here's mine on a DDM4V11
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Posted: 12/4/2017 3:44:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI have read that review a hundred times already. Haha.
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Posted: 12/4/2017 4:03:42 PM EDT
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I have read that review a hundred times already. Haha. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I wondered if I should have gotten a 33 after I got my 11. So I built another rifle to try the 33
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Posted: 12/4/2017 4:07:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I figured. I wondered if I should have gotten a 33 after I got my 11. So I built another rifle to try the 33 |
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Posted: 12/4/2017 4:26:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And if you were walking around a large ranch which one would you choose? 31 has a great FOV, but you have to be right on it to use it. 33 has great eye relief, but small fov 11 has a little of each’s positives, with its weight being the negative. And it’s not that heavy. Coming from a razor, it’ll be like it’s not even there. |
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Posted: 12/14/2017 1:23:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree. If your looking for a LPV that is lighter then the Vortex Razor, without loosing too much by way of capabilities, then the Leupold VX6HD 1-6x is a good option. https://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/566/387314.jpg And if anyone else can answer these questions, pls chime in. I’m thinking that it could be a good, lightweight alternative to the ACOG for some defensive applications. Thanks again! |
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Posted: 12/14/2017 1:28:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Thank you all for the replies. I took a good look at the Steiner fixed scopes but they are heavy. My worry about the Leupold and the Khales is that they might not be rugged enough for my purpose. I do not baby my rifle at all. Of these scopes I think the TA33 is in the front running. I do have the same old complaint about it about FOV. I have never owned a TA31 so I don’t know how bad the eye relief would bother me. Any ideas on these two? http://www.firearmreviews.net/acog-comparison/ |
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Posted: 12/14/2017 1:36:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn’t question anything. I know they are both amazing quality optic companies. However, I am not comparing them to any Vortex scope. I am looking at ACOGs at this time. So, I would argue that the ACOG has a better track record being rugged. I did employ a Vortex scope on this rifle in the past but that is because I know that it will always be taken care of no matter what. If you could say this about the Khales I might give it a shot. I am not trying to be argumentative just trying to find the best optic for me. I do appreciate your help. So, what are your opinions on the TA31? I know it has a short eye relief. How damning is this in your opinion? This optic only has to be hunting and minute of man accurate. This is not a bench rifle. http://www.firearmreviews.net/acog-comparison/ |
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Posted: 12/14/2017 2:23:20 AM EDT
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I have only one Kahles scope. It is an older, now discontinued Kahles Helia CL 2-7x36mm hunting scope with German #4 reticle. It is on a mountain rifle bolt gun, has been hunted hard in remote, unforgiving terrain in terrible weather. It has held up very well. Breathtaking optical clarity and brightness.
To be honest, all my Leupold scopes, perhaps a dozen, have seen similar harsh use and none have given any trouble either. My newest Leupold is a 3-9x40mm VX-R Patrol. I got it because of the motion activated TMR Firedot reticle and matching milrad turrets. It's on my Recce AR. I've taken it hunting a few times. it gets banged around, but seems plenty rugged. I like its light 15 ounce weight. It's not in the same league as the Kahles in low light, but far better than I expected, about VX-3 level. |
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Posted: 12/14/2017 1:57:38 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Pretty much what the title says. I have a MK116 Mod2 PWS with a Dead Air Sandman S on it and the Razor 1-6 in a Larue mount. And she is heavy so, this thing needs to go on a diet. I have been looking at ACOGs pretty much exclusively. This is my do all, beat up, truck, hunting gun. So it needs to be somewhat versital and rugged. I have been eyeing the TA33 and TA31. Let me know what you guys think. Am I overlooking anything? I did a couple of articles on 4x prism sights a while back. I am not sure how helpful they would be in your case, but here are the links: http://opticsthoughts.com/?page_id=1344 http://opticsthoughts.com/?page_id=1470 I do plan to pick-up TA-44 at some point. ILya www.opticsthoughts.com |
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Posted: 12/14/2017 11:00:00 PM EDT
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Kahles is rugged enough to be seen on a few SF guy's rifles. I've run it through several 3 gun comps and two 5k run and guns with no issues. I've owned a TA33 before. Under no circumstances would I go back to it. Eye relief is much better than the TA31. But the FOV is like staring through a straw. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thank you all for the replies. I took a good look at the Steiner fixed scopes but they are heavy. My worry about the Leupold and the Khales is that they might not be rugged enough for my purpose. I do not baby my rifle at all. Of these scopes I think the TA33 is in the front running. I do have the same old complaint about it about FOV. I have never owned a TA31 so I don't know how bad the eye relief would bother me. Any ideas on these two? I've owned a TA33 before. Under no circumstances would I go back to it. Eye relief is much better than the TA31. But the FOV is like staring through a straw. |
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Posted: 12/14/2017 11:02:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I didn’t question anything. I know they are both amazing quality optic companies. However, I am not comparing them to any Vortex scope. I am looking at ACOGs at this time. So, I would argue that the ACOG has a better track record being rugged. I did employ a Vortex scope on this rifle in the past but that is because I know that it will always be taken care of no matter what. If you could say this about the Khales I might give it a shot. I am not trying to be argumentative just trying to find the best optic for me. I do appreciate your help. So, what are your opinions on the TA31? I know it has a short eye relief. How damning is this in your opinion? This optic only has to be hunting and minute of man accurate. This is not a bench rifle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So just to be clear, you'e questioning the reliability of 2 optics companies that have each been around over 3x longer than Vortex; and neither of these companies started with budget, air-soft scopes? I know the Razor has been chosen by SOCOM but c'mon... I am not trying to be argumentative just trying to find the best optic for me. I do appreciate your help. So, what are your opinions on the TA31? I know it has a short eye relief. How damning is this in your opinion? This optic only has to be hunting and minute of man accurate. This is not a bench rifle. |
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Posted: 12/17/2017 3:23:47 PM EDT
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Try to find a ta11 or look at the TR25 accupoints.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:14:15 AM EDT
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Well if the OP hasn't made a decision or purchase yet, there is another new option:
Nightforce 1-8x scopes: https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Nightforce-ATACR-and-NX8-1-8-scopes-are-out-/18-721480/ |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:19:24 AM EDT
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Check out the Razor HD Gen II 1-6 E model. It comes in about 4-5 oz lighter than the original Gen II 1-6. -RJ
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