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Posted: 3/15/2019 7:52:43 PM EDT
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Why is this even a serious consideration? Only one of the two is a combat proven optic that is still in use by America’s elite forces all over the world.
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Posted: 3/15/2019 7:54:42 PM EDT
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One has broken on me 3 times and the company didnt stand behind their products and other company is Holosun.
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Posted: 3/15/2019 7:57:05 PM EDT
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Why is this even a serious consideration? Only one of the two is a combat proven optic that is still in use by America’s elite forces all over the world. |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 8:09:21 PM EDT
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Why is this even a serious consideration? Only one of the two is a combat proven optic that is still in use by America’s elite forces all over the world. |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 8:09:55 PM EDT
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One has broken on me 3 times and the company didnt stand behind their products and other company is Holosun. |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 8:12:49 PM EDT
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EOTech still has less parallax than even real aimpoint red dots.
I’ll take the eotech and some spare batteries in the grip. |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 8:34:53 PM EDT
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I keep hearing “combat proven” but it is not followed up with “to fail”.... one company was sued by the US government because of failures and putting our brothers and sister in harms way with a sight that could have dramatic zero shifts due to temp. One company made sights that are known to have high degree of failures and one company makes a sight that devours batteries.
EOTechs are good sights when they work and if you have enough batteries. After issues that have arose from them I am glad I had a CompM4. If you want a combat proven sight look to Trijicon or Aimpoint and they stand behind their bomb proof sights that will still work when damaged. The EOTech only wins on the reticle and it is not that huge of a win to me. If I had to go into combat I would take a Holosun over an EOTech any day and I would not have to lug 5# of batteries I will go through. |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 9:32:08 PM EDT
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This! Primary Arms & Holosun make GREAT "Value" optics for your fun gun, but the EoTech is Combat Proven and Tough... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why is this even a serious consideration? Only one of the two is a combat proven optic that is still in use by America’s elite forces all over the world. |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 10:24:54 PM EDT
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I have 2 EOTech sights. One was an early N-cell (yeah, that was fun getting batteries for that one) that would eat batteries like a fat kid until it fell apart and the other AA model has a dim spot in the reticle and needs a wad of tinfoil in the bottom of the battery compartment to work. Both are no longer under warranty so the N-cell model is in the junk box and the other one has been relegated to service on a .22 plinking rifle.
By way of contrast, I have a Holosun HS510C on my RDB that has been flawless in its operation. With features like the shake awake technology, selectable reticle (EOTech ring/dot, dot, or 65 MOA ring) auto-off after 10 minutes and solar powered backup that works when the batteries die (although the CR2032 battery life in Holosun optics can rival the battery life of my Aimpoint) after their 20,000-50,000 hour life span. If anything goes wrong, there is a limited lifetime warranty but watching some of the torture tests online, the odds of having to use that warranty doesn’t look like it will be needed and those that have had to use the warranty, Holotech has been pretty good about taking care of the customer. I was impressed with Holosun enough that I just recently ordered another HS503GU for my AR pistol build I’m working on. That brings me to another advantage of the Holosun and that’s the price. IIRC, I paid something like $300 or so for the HS510C and I just ordered my HS503GU from Botach for $129. So, we’re looking at more advanced features, better battery life, better warranty and at a fraction of the price. If I can think of one thing EOTech may do better is they are rated for being submerged deeper and longer than the Holosun but since I don’t envision taking my sights into a swimming pool, it’s a rating that really isn’t all that important to me. Nope, I’ve owned my last EOTech and while I still like my Aimpoint, I’m a Holosun convert and have no regrets in buying their optics. |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 10:27:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This! Primary Arms & Holosun make GREAT "Value" optics for your fun gun, but the EoTech is Combat Proven and Tough... |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 10:46:24 PM EDT
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Ok so I very curious how this will turn out< (You may think this thread is redundant) |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 10:47:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Redundant purse swinging thread . |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 10:57:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “Purse swinging” ? |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 11:02:00 PM EDT
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Just wait for it..... |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 11:59:01 PM EDT
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When you get one that works and is reliable, EOTech all the way. Unfortunately, they've been a crap-shoot.
Yes, I have a few EOTech's and no issues, but the term "combat proven" is a misnomer. I saw a cheap WalMart scope in Afghanistan; assuming it survived, should I say it's "Combat Proven"? Most here will never push their optics as hard as a very small minority will in a combat theater...ever. Instead, take a look at the numerous CONUS classes and competitions and you'll see some excellent feedback on Holosun optics through some hard use. For the money, Holosun is the top choice. If you want something that was issued and has a questionable fail-rate in a combat environment...EOTech. I won't give up my EOTech's yet, but if I had as much frustration as some on reliability and warranty coverage, I wouldn't hesitate to choose Holosun. In fact, while in Afghanistan, I did purchase a EXPS-3, but I also have a half-dozen Holosun optics awaiting my return and experimentation. I guess my odds would be 6:1 Holosun to EOTech 
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Posted: 3/16/2019 12:13:13 AM EDT
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?????? Primary doesn't make anything in fact, their red dots are holosun...jhc Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why is this even a serious consideration? Only one of the two is a combat proven optic that is still in use by America’s elite forces all over the world. However, I can't recall ever seeing US Combat troops issued or even using Holosun - Primary Arms red dots... I had some Good EOTechs (didn't have any issues besides them eating Lithium AA like jellybeans). But I didn't like the short life of batteries and the thermal shift problem was a sweet opportunity to get out of EOTech for what I had paid for them. Had good use and they paid me 100% when the opened the returns for refunds over the thermal shift issues. EDITED - that said, all my SERIOUS USE ARs all mount AimPoints for the long battery life and extreme rugged construction. |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 1:25:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmm... okay. The anti Eotech guys will come out and say theyre a lying company they defrauded the gov and put our men and women in combat situations at risk and theyd rather own a Holosun or PA red dot. And no matter what Eotech says their shit is broke and unfixable. The pro Eotech guys will tell how theyve had great results with their optics pre and post recall models or whatever. Then theyll say that no other optic works quite as well as Eotechs that Vortexs holo sight was a damned good effort but the Eotech does it better. Theyll point out that USSOCOM used to use Eotechs and then when the issue came out, while they were supposed to find something else Spec Ops guys still used them and SOCOM even reselected the most recent iterations of the Eotechs. At this point some anti Eotech guy will point out that SOCOM guys can simply go to the arms room and swap optics if they have an issue with their Eotech. The pro Eotech guy will then point out that despite the possibility of the shooter being able to get a new optic in the arms room he still needs an optic to get the job done in the mean time and Eotechs were chosen for the role despite the fact that most of the high speed guys are not using BUIS nearly as much as they used to anymore. Then the same talking points will get reused over and over and over ad nausem. |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 2:01:16 AM EDT
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I’ve had both. I got rid of the EOtech and kept the Holosun.
No regrets. Battery life for the win. |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 2:24:03 AM EDT
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?????? Primary doesn't make anything in fact, their red dots are holosun...jhc |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 4:57:25 AM EDT
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Holosun. And I walk the talk. Any of my non-scoped rifles wear Holosun/PA red dots. And with one exception, all are the PA ACSS version they collaborated on. Paired with a 3x magnifier, it absolutely kicks ass. As feature rich as any RDS available.
Full disclosure, I had one with an issue out of the box. The auto-wake/auto-off feature didn’t want to work. Primary Arms said they’d be happy to replace it. But, since it has a ~50k hour battery life, I just haven’t gotten around to sending it back. Aside from the auto-on/off issue it works perfectly. |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 7:21:28 AM EDT
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Not true at all. The advanced micro dot with the dial is all PA. The advanced micro with the push buttons the Holosun Quote HistoryQuoted:
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?????? Primary doesn't make anything in fact, their red dots are holosun...jhc |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 7:22:49 AM EDT
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Holosun. And I walk the talk. Any of my non-scoped rifles wear Holosun/PA red dots. And with one exception, all are the PA ACSS version they collaborated on. Paired with a 3x magnifier, it absolutely kicks ass. As feature rich as any RDS available. Full disclosure, I had one with an issue out of the box. The auto-wake/auto-off feature didn’t want to work. Primary Arms said they’d be happy to replace it. But, since it has a ~50k hour battery life, I just haven’t gotten around to sending it back. Aside from the auto-on/off issue it works perfectly. |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 8:37:19 AM EDT
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The hilarity of comparing an optic that has put more shithead sub-humans in the ground than just about anything else we issue out and a shitty ripoff Chicom Aimpoint with a wannabe reticle and probably more parallax than a T-1.
Hokay. |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 8:56:14 AM EDT
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I'd take a Holosun over an Eotech.
Eotech just has too many issues. If you're considering spending Eotech money, just get an Aimpoint and be done. |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 9:04:03 AM EDT
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I'd take a Holosun over an Eotech. Eotech just has too many issues. If you're considering spending Eotech money, just get an Aimpoint and be done. |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 9:16:02 AM EDT
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What hes saying is theres been two sides spouting the same crap in the Eotech vs whatever RDS threads, or are Eotechs G2G? threads. Your thread title seems to indicate you may have seen them already. The anti Eotech guys will come out and say theyre a lying company they defrauded the gov and put our men and women in combat situations at risk and theyd rather own a Holosun or PA red dot. And no matter what Eotech says their shit is broke and unfixable. The pro Eotech guys will tell how theyve had great results with their optics pre and post recall models or whatever. Then theyll say that no other optic works quite as well as Eotechs that Vortexs holo sight was a damned good effort but the Eotech does it better. Theyll point out that USSOCOM used to use Eotechs and then when the issue came out, while they were supposed to find something else Spec Ops guys still used them and SOCOM even reselected the most recent iterations of the Eotechs. At this point some anti Eotech guy will point out that SOCOM guys can simply go to the arms room and swap optics if they have an issue with their Eotech. The pro Eotech guy will then point out that despite the possibility of the shooter being able to get a new optic in the arms room he still needs an optic to get the job done in the mean time and Eotechs were chosen for the role despite the fact that most of the high speed guys are not using BUIS nearly as much as they used to anymore. Then the same talking points will get reused over and over and over ad nausem. Thank you again for explaining. |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 9:25:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This debate comes down to people who can’t/won’t spend the cheddar for a quality optic and justify buying cheap shit by crying about thermal drift and how Eotech betrayed its customers, etc. that’s fine if you don’t buy Eotech out of principal but don’t try to church up your holosun like you would storm the beaches of Normandy with it if you could afford something better. 
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Posted: 3/16/2019 9:31:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This debate comes down to people who can’t/won’t spend the cheddar for a quality optic and justify buying cheap shit by crying about thermal drift and how Eotech betrayed its customers, etc. that’s fine if you don’t buy Eotech out of principal but don’t try to church up your holosun like you would storm the beaches of Normandy with it if you could afford something better. |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 1:41:42 PM EDT
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I voted EOTech but I am more of an Aimpoint guy.
However, the Holosun 515GM "military grade" model look really good on paper. I would be interested to see someone do a parallax test on the these models. These cost more but still about 2/3 of an Aimpoint. 
The HS515GM is a ruggedized micro red dot sight with the option of a 2 MOA dot only or a 2 MOA dot with a 65 MOA circle reticle pattern. Employing LED technology, the life time for one CR2032 battery can reach 2 years if left on constantly. However, the shake awake feature also works to extend the battery life. Extra rugged features including a CNC milled 7075 Aluminum housing, pressure tested for submersion up to 30 meters for 30 minutes and a snag free housing design that protects the windage and elevation turrets. Includes: Lower 1/3 co-witness quick release mount with removable spacer Clear flip-up lens covers Kill flash filter Specifications: Reticle: 65 MOA Circle Dot Attachment/ Mount Type: 1/3 Mount Included Accessories: Maintenance Tools Magnification: 1 x Objective Lens Diameter: 22 mm Length: 2.44 in Weight: 7 Tube Diameter: 20 mm Battery Type: CR2032 Color Family: Black Color: Black Illumination: 10DLt/ 2NV compat Illumination Type: LED Height: 1.37 in Width: 1.77 in Battery Life: Range 20,000 - 50,000 hours Parallax: Parallax Free W/E Travel at 100 Yds: 50 MOA Adjustment Click Value: 0.5 MOA Fabric/Material: Hard Anodized |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 1:43:20 PM EDT
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For what I use it for holosun all the way
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Posted: 3/16/2019 2:07:28 PM EDT
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After three failed optics and their corporate failure to stand behind a "junk" product, EOTech is no longer even a consideration for me. EoTech is OUT!
Holosun, Primary Arms (not all are rebranded Holosun optics), Vortex, Aimpoint, Leupold,... ANYBODY but EOTech. It's that simple. Battery life is a BS issue. Once battery life exceeds a day or two, it becomes a non-issue. The difference between 6 months and 6 years is irrelevant. Parallax is also BS. I know how to avoid parallax - I was trained this way from the very beginning. I can also shoot accurately in its presence. |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 2:36:54 PM EDT
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After three failed optics and their corporate failure to stand behind a "junk" product, EOTech is no longer even a consideration for me. EoTech is OUT! Holosun, Primary Arms (not all are rebranded Holosun optics), Vortex, Aimpoint, Leupold,... ANYBODY but EOTech. It's that simple. Battery life is a BS issue. Once battery life exceeds a day or two, it becomes a non-issue. The difference between 6 months and 6 years is irrelevant. Parallax is also BS. I know how to avoid parallax - I was trained this way from the very beginning. I can also shoot accurately in its presence. With that said, I still haven't given up my T1... 
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Posted: 3/16/2019 6:27:35 PM EDT
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Parallax is also BS. I know how to avoid parallax - I was trained this way from the very beginning. I can also shoot accurately in its presence.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 6:46:14 PM EDT
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Why is this even a serious consideration? Only one of the two is a combat proven optic that is still in use by America’s elite forces all over the world. I've always assumed that I was just missing something obvious, that there was something I wasn't understanding...because it just doesn't make sense: they are gigantic, heavy, and their battery life due to the holographic technology is YEARS less than a red dot. But...there must be some reason why people still pay many hundreds of dollars for them, more than most red dots, right? The implicit assumption is that it is easier to look through, or gives less parallax or something...but all the comparison reviews I've seen between Eotech vs Red Dot didn't show any noticeable reductions in parallax as compared to a good red dot. (hint: Both have parallax, even the ones that say parallax free). The Eotech also doesn't provide for some magical new optical viewing experience...you use it the same way, both eyes open, and it looks exactly like a red dot, just maybe a little granier. In fact, there are cheap chinese clones / fake Eotechs that use red dot technology, and most people wouldn't notice a difference. So far as I can tell, holographic tech is just a convoluted way of making a red dot sight that uses 1000x more battery juice...and somehow their marketing team succeeded in convincing everyone that it was some kind of new magic aiming tech. |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 7:53:02 PM EDT
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I'd take a Holosun over an Eotech. Eotech just has too many issues. If you're considering spending Eotech money, just get an Aimpoint and be done. Every EOTech I owned (4) were lemons. At least with PA and Holosun, you get your moneys worth. You don't get your moneys worth with EOTech. You do with full sized Aimpoints though. |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 9:32:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've seen way, *way* more EOTechs fail than Holosun. and, charge half price till they steal, uhm take over the market. I mean whats fair is fair right? |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 9:40:37 PM EDT
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Sounds like OP wants an Aimpoint but keeps dancing around a budget option anyways.
Deployment? ACOG or Aimpoint. I personally wouldn’t trust an EO Tech. HD/SD? Trij, Aimpoint, EO Tech, Holosun, PA, Sig, Vortex, etc etc etc. If it bothers you that much OP, just pony up for the Aimpoint. |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 10:13:53 PM EDT
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The hilarity of comparing an optic that has put more shithead sub-humans in the ground than just about anything else we issue out and a shitty ripoff Chicom Aimpoint with a wannabe reticle and probably more parallax than a T-1. Hokay. EoTechs have a track record of very real and significant issues. |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 10:18:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An American company needs to reverse engineer all the Holosun products and make them better. Then put them out under another name and, charge half price till they steal, uhm take over the market. I mean whats fair is fair right? |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 10:26:07 PM EDT
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I voted EOTech but I am more of an Aimpoint guy. However, the Holosun 515GM "military grade" model look really good on paper. I would be interested to see someone do a parallax test on the these models. These cost more but still about 2/3 of an Aimpoint. https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-9j9zreeu/images/stencil/608x608/products/54353/146183/opplanet-holosun-military-grade-micro-hs515gm-main__20585.1504289790.1200.1200__48413.1524148242.jpg?c=2 https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-9j9zreeu/images/stencil/608x608/products/54353/146180/opplanet-holosun-military-grade-micro-hs515gm-back-v2__96427.1504289791.1200.1200__43923.1524148241.jpg?c=2 The HS515GM is a ruggedized micro red dot sight with the option of a 2 MOA dot only or a 2 MOA dot with a 65 MOA circle reticle pattern. Employing LED technology, the life time for one CR2032 battery can reach 2 years if left on constantly. However, the shake awake feature also works to extend the battery life. Extra rugged features including a CNC milled 7075 Aluminum housing, pressure tested for submersion up to 30 meters for 30 minutes and a snag free housing design that protects the windage and elevation turrets. Includes: Lower 1/3 co-witness quick release mount with removable spacer Clear flip-up lens covers Kill flash filter Specifications: Reticle: 65 MOA Circle Dot Attachment/ Mount Type: 1/3 Mount Included Accessories: Maintenance Tools Magnification: 1 x Objective Lens Diameter: 22 mm Length: 2.44 in Weight: 7 Tube Diameter: 20 mm Battery Type: CR2032 Color Family: Black Color: Black Illumination: 10DLt/ 2NV compat Illumination Type: LED Height: 1.37 in Width: 1.77 in Battery Life: Range 20,000 - 50,000 hours Parallax: Parallax Free W/E Travel at 100 Yds: 50 MOA Adjustment Click Value: 0.5 MOA Fabric/Material: Hard Anodized I’d probably still go with Aimpoint PRO at that close of a price point. |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 10:56:05 PM EDT
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Sounds like OP wants an Aimpoint but keeps dancing around a budget option anyways. Deployment? ACOG or Aimpoint. I personally wouldn’t trust an EO Tech. HD/SD? Trij, Aimpoint, EO Tech, Holosun, PA, Sig, Vortex, etc etc etc. If it bothers you that much OP, just pony up for the Aimpoint. Anyways - sure, who wouldn’t love an Aimpoint if bursary was no limit and/or everyone could afford them ? But that’s not the point of this thread. |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 11:50:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I truly don't have money for an Aimpoint. So I'm left between Holosun / PA and Eotech. I can find Eotech 512's for around $300 and this is truly stretching my budget a good margin. Lots of Eotech failures / problems well documented and cuz of that I think it's a genuine question of "what's more reliable" - EOTECH or Holosun. I've rarely bought cheaper things - especially a cheaper optic. I'm definitely wanting a high assurance that it won't fail me when I need it and honestly ... reported EOTech failures seem more abundant than Holosun failures from what I've experienced ... but obviously that could be cuz EOTECH has been around longer as well. Anyways - sure, who wouldn't love an Aimpoint if bursary was no limit and/or everyone could afford them ? But that's not the point of this thread. |
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Posted: 3/17/2019 6:22:18 AM EDT
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If you can add $30 you can afford a PRO. They pop up in the EE all the time for $330 shipped to you like 5x a wekk. Go look right now there is one on there with a rubber cover for $370. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I truly don't have money for an Aimpoint. So I'm left between Holosun / PA and Eotech. I can find Eotech 512's for around $300 and this is truly stretching my budget a good margin. Lots of Eotech failures / problems well documented and cuz of that I think it's a genuine question of "what's more reliable" - EOTECH or Holosun. I've rarely bought cheaper things - especially a cheaper optic. I'm definitely wanting a high assurance that it won't fail me when I need it and honestly ... reported EOTech failures seem more abundant than Holosun failures from what I've experienced ... but obviously that could be cuz EOTECH has been around longer as well. Anyways - sure, who wouldn't love an Aimpoint if bursary was no limit and/or everyone could afford them ? But that's not the point of this thread. |
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Posted: 3/17/2019 7:10:45 AM EDT
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I voted Holosun, although there are problems with warranty processing.
But I have the same problems with Eotech. So I bought a Holosun because of cheaper price. As a European Aimpoint seems to be the best option. But I really like my Holosun green dot sight. |
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Posted: 3/17/2019 8:15:33 AM EDT
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Jesus. A nearly guaranteed to fail optic, versus a Chinese made optic.
It pains me to say this.... but Holosun. I have more faith in Holosun shit to actually work. My EOTech shit the bed. The one they replaced it with got sold. If I had any other option, I'd choose it. Aimpoint, DI Optical, Leupold, or an LVPO. But... in this scenario... Holosun. |
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Posted: 3/17/2019 8:28:12 AM EDT
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never thought ARFCOM would choose chicom knockoffs ....
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Posted: 3/17/2019 8:33:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree with you wholeheartedly. Yet we do still have those that don't / won't trust EOTech any more after there negative experience or the "scandal". 1) I don't like their QC issues and delamination issues. 2) Their stuff is great for a weapon you know you are going to a fight with before the fight happens (patrol, whatever). But for a gun that is in a corner waiting for a fight that you don't know is going to happen.....battery life sucks and it can't be constant-on. If they'd make a movement activated feature, it would be a lot better for me. I don't need a combat proven optic when the PA/holosun stuff can take a pretty severe beating and keep working. I'm not military anymore and the biggest issues my optics face is falling over or bumping around under a truck seat. PA/holosun can do that easily. |
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Posted: 3/17/2019 8:36:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The debate actually comes down to the fact EOTech has an unacceptably high failure rate which I've witnessed to be demonstrated first hand far too many times. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/High_round_count_optics__over_100_000_rounds__and_how_they_handled_at_our_range/5-1790052/ |
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Posted: 3/17/2019 8:55:31 AM EDT
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I voted Holosun, although there are problems with warranty processing. But I have the same problems with Eotech. So I bought a Holosun because of cheaper price. As a European Aimpoint seems to be the best option. But I really like my Holosun green dot sight. |
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Posted: 3/17/2019 10:01:52 AM EDT
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What’s the problem with the warranty processing? It took about 5 weeks til it was delivered (that's the normal time it takes to pass the customs). When it arrived I noticed a technical issue with this sight. The dealer said: "Returns only within 30 days"- this time was over, he didn't want to help me. The manufacturer said: "Yes, usually we would replace this item in warranty, but we cannot send it to you because we don't have an export license". They also didn't wanted to help me... because as a chinese manufacturer it would be really easy to bypass ITAR. Simply send the item directly from China factory to Europe and there will not be any troubles with ITAR because this item will never be on U.S. ground.... But like I said, they didn't want to help me. A friend of mine sent his defective EOTech to the manufacturer in the U.S. When they received the sight they told him that they need a completed form (BIS711?) to re-export it. But no one here knows how to get this form... So mostly it is really hard to do business with companies in the U.S. although I really like some of their products. |
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