Posted: 7/30/2011 12:06:17 AM EDT
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Not sure if this is the right place but here goes:
Let's assume that I can shoot pretty well and consistent when using a slow "aim, single shot.....aim, single shot etc." (For arguments sake  )
What do you guys recommend, training wise, for getting multiple (2-3) shots on target in quick succession? I feel like I shouldn't need to start modding my rifle to achieve this. I have a stock M&P15 with BUIS (Troy HK style) and MOE handguards with a VFG. I use the VFG as more of a hand stop to pull back against and use the thumb-over-bore(?) technique. This seems comfortable and offers control over the front of the rifle. My stance is pretty tight with my left leg slightly forward and a slight lean in to the rifle. My main issue is recoil. I need to mitigate that. Do I need to just fire more rounds down range, change stance, etc.? Thanks (This style grip but using a regular vertical grip) 
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try to post a picture like that of yourself, but include your shoulder in it. Perhaps the rifle is riding up too high on your shoulder. Mitigating recoil is all about pressure and position. if the bore is above your shoulder, you'll be bouncing like crazy. If I can I will. I usually have the top of the stock tucked in pretty good. I'm usually at the range without my buddies (too busy I guess  ) so I may have to post a few "borrowed" pics.
This is one I found in another thread that looks like my stance and stock-shoulder position. (I'll try to get someone to tag along next time I go to the range and get some pics of what I'm doing. What I THINK I'm doing and what I actually AM doing may be 2 different things. 
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try to post a picture like that of yourself, but include your shoulder in it. Perhaps the rifle is riding up too high on your shoulder. Mitigating recoil is all about pressure and position. if the bore is above your shoulder, you'll be bouncing like crazy. If I can I will. I usually have the top of the stock tucked in pretty good. I'm usually at the range without my buddies (too busy I guess ) so I may have to post a few "borrowed" pics.
This is one I found in another thread that looks like my stance and stock-shoulder position. (I'll try to get someone to tag along next time I go to the range and get some pics of what I'm doing. What I THINK I'm doing and what I actually AM doing may be 2 different things. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/harv24/IMG_0633.jpg All that I would recommend would be to bring the support hand out further. I've found that having the support hand out near the end of the forearm allows more control of the rifle and makes for less noticeable recoil. Works for me, YMMV. ETA: in your OP you say you keep your hand out more like Travis? Or is it more like the other pic you posted? |
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try to post a picture like that of yourself, but include your shoulder in it. Perhaps the rifle is riding up too high on your shoulder. Mitigating recoil is all about pressure and position. if the bore is above your shoulder, you'll be bouncing like crazy. If I can I will. I usually have the top of the stock tucked in pretty good. I'm usually at the range without my buddies (too busy I guess ) so I may have to post a few "borrowed" pics.
This is one I found in another thread that looks like my stance and stock-shoulder position. (I'll try to get someone to tag along next time I go to the range and get some pics of what I'm doing. What I THINK I'm doing and what I actually AM doing may be 2 different things. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/harv24/IMG_0633.jpg All that I would recommend would be to bring the support hand out further. I've found that having the support hand out near the end of the forearm allows more control of the rifle and makes for less noticeable recoil. Works for me, YMMV. ETA: in your OP you say you keep your hand out more like Travis? Or is it more like the other pic you posted? Like Travis. I use a vertical grip where he's using the AFG but I don't "beer can" it I use it to pull back against. Basically the hand grip of the 1st pic with the stance and rifle position of the second. |
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try to post a picture like that of yourself, but include your shoulder in it. Perhaps the rifle is riding up too high on your shoulder. Mitigating recoil is all about pressure and position. if the bore is above your shoulder, you'll be bouncing like crazy. If I can I will. I usually have the top of the stock tucked in pretty good. I'm usually at the range without my buddies (too busy I guess ) so I may have to post a few "borrowed" pics.
This is one I found in another thread that looks like my stance and stock-shoulder position. (I'll try to get someone to tag along next time I go to the range and get some pics of what I'm doing. What I THINK I'm doing and what I actually AM doing may be 2 different things. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/harv24/IMG_0633.jpg All that I would recommend would be to bring the support hand out further. I've found that having the support hand out near the end of the forearm allows more control of the rifle and makes for less noticeable recoil. Works for me, YMMV. ETA: in your OP you say you keep your hand out more like Travis? Or is it more like the other pic you posted? Like Travis. I use a vertical grip where he's using the AFG but I don't "beer can" it I use it to pull back against. Basically the hand grip of the 1st pic with the stance and rifle position of the second. So like this: 
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try to post a picture like that of yourself, but include your shoulder in it. Perhaps the rifle is riding up too high on your shoulder. Mitigating recoil is all about pressure and position. if the bore is above your shoulder, you'll be bouncing like crazy. If I can I will. I usually have the top of the stock tucked in pretty good. I'm usually at the range without my buddies (too busy I guess ) so I may have to post a few "borrowed" pics.
This is one I found in another thread that looks like my stance and stock-shoulder position. (I'll try to get someone to tag along next time I go to the range and get some pics of what I'm doing. What I THINK I'm doing and what I actually AM doing may be 2 different things. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/harv24/IMG_0633.jpg All that I would recommend would be to bring the support hand out further. I've found that having the support hand out near the end of the forearm allows more control of the rifle and makes for less noticeable recoil. Works for me, YMMV. ETA: in your OP you say you keep your hand out more like Travis? Or is it more like the other pic you posted? Like Travis. I use a vertical grip where he's using the AFG but I don't "beer can" it I use it to pull back against. Basically the hand grip of the 1st pic with the stance and rifle position of the second. So like this: http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz7/serinobw/DSCN0093.jpg http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz7/serinobw/DSCN0079.jpg Like this: (I think I'm more "bladed" than this though) 
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Stance, grip, trigger control. This and trigger time. Practice using controlled pairs ("double taps") and try implementing the 1-5 drill into your training.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaCpOt9xVy4
Thanks for the vid. I'm thinking that trigger time is probably one of the biggest factors I'm lacking. |
| I was looking at my buttstock position after talking to you guys on here. I think I need to bring my stock inward toward my chest a little more and square up on my targets. I had the stock right in the shoulder socket nice and tight but the rifle seemed to angle inward ( V where the point of the bottom of the v is toward my target.) Seems like that would allow a lot of recoil to kick me outward. I'm going to try to hit the range in a few days and see if I can adjust my stance and see how that works out. |
I ordered a Spikes Tactical ST-T2 heavier buffer because it was on sale. I couldn't resist. I'm a bit of a gear whore.  I want to get a BattleComp 1.0 when I get some extra cash. I wanted that before I realized that I suck at follow up shots. I'm going to fix my stance and my rifle position before I put this stuff on/in my rifle. I hadn't realized how much smaller the buffer was on my carbine vs. the M16 A2 I used in the Army.
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Got to put 100 rounds down range today. I worked on my body and rifle position. Noticeable improvements in grouping. I was putting "double tap" shots in much closer proximity to each other. I DID have the heavier buffer in but I don't think that was the main factor. I brought my shoulder forward and the rifle was more inward on my body. I ended up moving the target in a little closer since my aiming points were small. I'm trying to find a range where I can work 1-5 drills and other stuff. I'm a little limited in what I can do around here without getting a membership to a private range. 
I'm going to keep working on position and get some trigger time as I can. Eventually the BattleComp 1.0 will get ordered. 
Thanks for the tips. |