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2/2/2013 12:26:40 PM EDT
Hey guys, I decided to take Larry Vickers 1 Day Carbine Course and I had a few questions. A little background about me, I am young (only 19) and an army ROTC student at NKU. I really want to be in a combat related field once I hopefully get commisioned as an officer. I decided to take this course for a few reasons: 1.) I think it will definitely help me with my military career at some point. 2.) I want to get proper training on how to use my carbine as a civilian. 3.) Hell, I thought I'd have a little fun while I was at it too. For the reason of thinking that this might help me with my military career at some point I wanted to use a military based load out. A chest rig, good combat shirt etc I just wanted to know if I will look stupid or give the appearance that I think im joe military guy wearing these things. I know it might be a stupid question but I really don't want to put myself out there as if I'm a know it all or think I'm all that wearing a full multicam combat uniform. What do you guys think? Has anybody been to the 1 day and did you like it? I also think this won't be my last class either so all this gear won't go to waste. All questions comments or concerns would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
2/2/2013 12:46:59 PM EDT
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Dude, you're going to get plenty of experience running around with a plate carrier in your upcoming career.  For a 1-day, try to concentrate on the lessons being delivered rather than futzing around with all your gear.  I took a LAV course in VA a while back and it was largely fundamentals only. There was no need for a plate carrier or tactical vest.
And please, make sure you bring a zeroed rifle!
2/2/2013 2:09:39 PM EDT
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A good first coarse should be mostly fundamentals.  Holders for 2 mags with pants pocket able to hold one more and you should be good to go.  You'll need a sling and a gun the doesn't malfunction.  I would think they would tell you what you need.  Keep it simple and focus on what they are teaching.  Without mastering the fundamentals, you will never become proficient.
2/2/2013 9:23:35 PM EDT
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Hey guys, I decided to take Larry Vickers 1 Day Carbine Course and I had a few questions. A little background about me, I am young (only 19) and an army ROTC student at NKU. I really want to be in a combat related field once I hopefully get commisioned as an officer. I decided to take this course for a few reasons: 1.) I think it will definitely help me with my military career at some point. 2.) I want to get proper training on how to use my carbine as a civilian. 3.) Hell, I thought I'd have a little fun while I was at it too. For the reason of thinking that this might help me with my military career at some point I wanted to use a military based load out. A chest rig, good combat shirt etc I just wanted to know if I will look stupid or give the appearance that I think im joe military guy wearing these things. I know it might be a stupid question but I really don't want to put myself out there as if I'm a know it all or think I'm all that wearing a full multicam combat uniform. What do you guys think? Has anybody been to the 1 day and did you like it? I also think this won't be my last class either so all this gear won't go to waste. All questions comments or concerns would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!


Vickers' 1-day basic courses are primarily geared towards fundamentals, marksmanship, and learning how to train. They are very valuable. Classes like these should form the foundation of your future training, and there are few better instructors than Larry Vickers.



You won't need that sort of gear in his 1-day class, but he won't stop you from using it. You will be fine with one mag in the gun and a couple on the belt. You can always ask him questions during breaks, lunch, and after the class about specific gear setup.



 
2/2/2013 10:33:38 PM EDT
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Dude, you're going to get plenty of experience running around with a plate carrier in your upcoming career.  For a 1-day, try to concentrate on the lessons being delivered rather than futzing around with all your gear.  I took a LAV course in VA a while back and it was largely fundamentals only. There was no need for a plate carrier or tactical vest.
And please, make sure you bring a zeroed rifle!


Yeah I know I wasn't planning on running a plate carrier, just a nice simple chest rig. So would you reccomend maybe a belt or something with some mag pouches on it? I appreciate all the answers guys!
2/2/2013 10:42:30 PM EDT
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Dude, you're going to get plenty of experience running around with a plate carrier in your upcoming career.  For a 1-day, try to concentrate on the lessons being delivered rather than futzing around with all your gear.  I took a LAV course in VA a while back and it was largely fundamentals only. There was no need for a plate carrier or tactical vest.
And please, make sure you bring a zeroed rifle!


Yeah I know I wasn't planning on running a plate carrier, just a nice simple chest rig. So would you reccomend maybe a belt or something with some mag pouches on it? I appreciate all the answers guys!


Yeah, man, I like running slick with only a couple of belt mag pouches like the Ready Tactical or BladeTech ones on a good, stiff belt like the Wilderness Instructor belt. Maybe grab a couple of pistol mag pouches to go along with your kydex pistol holster, in case you do any pistol work.  A Maxpedition dump bag helps for putting random stuff in there. I much prefer this setup over a chest rig.
2/11/2013 8:11:07 AM EDT
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Dude, you're going to get plenty of experience running around with a plate carrier in your upcoming career.  For a 1-day, try to concentrate on the lessons being delivered rather than futzing around with all your gear.  I took a LAV course in VA a while back and it was largely fundamentals only. There was no need for a plate carrier or tactical vest.
And please, make sure you bring a zeroed rifle!


Yeah I know I wasn't planning on running a plate carrier, just a nice simple chest rig. So would you reccomend maybe a belt or something with some mag pouches on it? I appreciate all the answers guys!


Yeah, man, I like running slick with only a couple of belt mag pouches like the Ready Tactical or BladeTech ones on a good, stiff belt like the Wilderness Instructor belt. Maybe grab a couple of pistol mag pouches to go along with your kydex pistol holster, in case you do any pistol work.  A Maxpedition dump bag helps for putting random stuff in there. I much prefer this setup over a chest rig.


Is there any problem with running steel ammo at a course? Thanks guys for all your responses
2/11/2013 11:33:59 AM EDT
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Dude, you're going to get plenty of experience running around with a plate carrier in your upcoming career.  For a 1-day, try to concentrate on the lessons being delivered rather than futzing around with all your gear.  I took a LAV course in VA a while back and it was largely fundamentals only. There was no need for a plate carrier or tactical vest.
And please, make sure you bring a zeroed rifle!


Yeah I know I wasn't planning on running a plate carrier, just a nice simple chest rig. So would you reccomend maybe a belt or something with some mag pouches on it? I appreciate all the answers guys!


Yeah, man, I like running slick with only a couple of belt mag pouches like the Ready Tactical or BladeTech ones on a good, stiff belt like the Wilderness Instructor belt. Maybe grab a couple of pistol mag pouches to go along with your kydex pistol holster, in case you do any pistol work.  A Maxpedition dump bag helps for putting random stuff in there. I much prefer this setup over a chest rig.


Is there any problem with running steel ammo at a course? Thanks guys for all your responses


It's usually not the instructor has the issue but the range. You'll need to check with them to verify. If they're using any steel targets at all, steel core will be a problem. Steel case is fine though.
2/12/2013 7:23:19 AM EDT
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Dude, you're going to get plenty of experience running around with a plate carrier in your upcoming career.  For a 1-day, try to concentrate on the lessons being delivered rather than futzing around with all your gear.  I took a LAV course in VA a while back and it was largely fundamentals only. There was no need for a plate carrier or tactical vest.
And please, make sure you bring a zeroed rifle!


Yeah I know I wasn't planning on running a plate carrier, just a nice simple chest rig. So would you reccomend maybe a belt or something with some mag pouches on it? I appreciate all the answers guys!


Yeah, man, I like running slick with only a couple of belt mag pouches like the Ready Tactical or BladeTech ones on a good, stiff belt like the Wilderness Instructor belt. Maybe grab a couple of pistol mag pouches to go along with your kydex pistol holster, in case you do any pistol work.  A Maxpedition dump bag helps for putting random stuff in there. I much prefer this setup over a chest rig.


Is there any problem with running steel ammo at a course? Thanks guys for all your responses


It's usually not the instructor has the issue but the range. You'll need to check with them to verify. If they're using any steel targets at all, steel core will be a problem. Steel case is fine though.


Okay well turns out I just found some federal xm193 and the wolf steel ammo was actually more. I got the xm193 for about.75/ round and the wolf was about 1.8/round I was confused but i feel content because i used to get xm193 for about .50/round. anybody else going to a LAV course this year?

2/12/2013 8:44:16 AM EDT
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Ouch, .75 a round.  I really hate this run on ammo. It sucks for everybody.
BTW, I've trained with LAV and he's very good.  Solid fundamentals. Meat and potatoes.
As another option and since you're in Kentucky, have you heard about the Frank Proctor class at Russell Springs?  Highly recommend him. Plus, I also saw on his FB that he's selling ammo to his students for the class at a really good rate. Something like .36/round IIRC.