Posted: 2/25/2010 1:12:44 PM EDT
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I have a question for you tactical gurus. In a firefight, on a speed reload, do you put your weapons on safety during the process, or do you leave them on fire and get right back to firing once the reload is complete?
My current steps on a speed reload: 1. bang, bang, bang, click. 2. rotate and chamber check 3. rotate and mag release 4. index new mag 5. insert new mag 6. tap new mag 7. hit ping pong (chamber round) 8. support hand back on quadrail 9. bang, bang, bang It seems the best time to hit the safety would be right after the chamber check. But I'm hitting the mag release right then too, and it's near impossible to do both at the same time. So, when do you do it if you do? Or, do you do it at all during a speed reload when you have to get right back in the fight? |
| If you are running an M-4/AR-15 style platform, and you get a "click," you have a failure to fire/failure to feed (in the event a round has not entered the chamber). Assess, tap, rack, re-engage. If you're bolt has locked to the rear, there will not be a "click," your weapon system will not allow the trigger to engage. At this point, you chamber check, you have observed bolt locked to the rear, and decide to speed reload. There does not seem to be any value added to re-engaging the safety mechanism during the speed reload process. Assessment: unnecessary/wasted movement. |
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If you are running an M-4/AR-15 style platform, and you get a "click," you have a failure to fire/failure to feed (in the event a round has not entered the chamber). Assess, tap, rack, re-engage. If you're bolt has locked to the rear, there will not be a "click," your weapon system will not allow the trigger to engage. At this point, you chamber check, you have observed bolt locked to the rear, and decide to speed reload. There does not seem to be any value added to re-engaging the safety mechanism during the speed reload process. Assessment: unnecessary/wasted movement. the "click" stands for either the feel of the bolt locking to the rear, or in my case, my trigger makes a little click (probably better described as a tick) when I try to engage it when the bolt is locked to the rear. but semantics aside, the click = O crap my chamber and mag are empty and the bolt is locked to the rear and this isn't a malfunction and I need to speed reload speedily. I can feel it, the chamber check is more just a process to make sure it's not anything else but an empty mag. |
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Jim Smith/Paul Howe do it. Considering their pedigrees, I'd say you should. could you elaborate? when in that process do they do it? I'm just having a hard time finding the right place to fit it in, or even a reason to do it. But if they have a good reason to do it, I would like to know, maybe I'm missing something. (and I don't know who they are either, so a little bio would be cool too) |
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Both long time Delta guys.
Paul Website Jim's website Read their modest bio's they've posted on their respective websites. As far as going to safe between reloads (tactical, speed or otherwise) Jim explained it as anytime your weapon is off your shoulder, it should be on safe. To watch him do it, during drills, you don't even notice unless you're paying close attention. Jim also indicated that you may or may not have any targets upon completion of your reload. In other words, you shoot to slide lock, do your reload, redirect your attention down range, there may or may not be any bad guys there anymore. He's seen guys do such a reload, not a have anymore visible targets, then start running around with the carbines on fire, not a desireable condition, even in combat. I think Paul has an article on the use of the safety on his website. Of course, if you trained like they did, most of your basic carbine manipulations are being done from your subconscious thought any way. By the way, they both offer training to civilians on a limited basis, if you ever get the chance to train with either one of them, jump on it. Such training ought to be in every ARFcommer's bucket list. |
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If you are running an M-4/AR-15 style platform, and you get a "click," you have a failure to fire/failure to feed (in the event a round has not entered the chamber). Assess, tap, rack, re-engage. If you're bolt has locked to the rear, there will not be a "click," your weapon system will not allow the trigger to engage. At this point, you chamber check, you have observed bolt locked to the rear, and decide to speed reload. There does not seem to be any value added to re-engaging the safety mechanism during the speed reload process. Assessment: unnecessary/wasted movement. the "click" stands for either the feel of the bolt locking to the rear, or in my case, my trigger makes a little click (probably better described as a tick) when I try to engage it when the bolt is locked to the rear. but semantics aside, the click = O crap my chamber and mag are empty and the bolt is locked to the rear and this isn't a malfunction and I need to speed reload speedily. I can feel it, the chamber check is more just a process to make sure it's not anything else but an empty mag. If you listen closely, you can hear a difference on the last shot, especially with ear plugs. I never put any of my rifles on safety while reloading. Especially if you are practicing for a battle-type situation, it's very unnecessary. You should practice what you would do in a real threat situation - and no one would ever put their gun on safety in a threat situation unless said threat was eliminated. |