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Posted: 8/19/2016 12:49:47 PM EST
http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-released-the-first-official-footage-of-its-new-stealth-aircraft-2016-8?yptr=yahoo%3Fr%3DUK&IR=T



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Russia has released the first official footage of its new 5th-generation fighter

David Choi
Aug. 16, 2016, 7:35 PM

In honor of Russian Aerospace Force Day, the Russian Ministry of Defense has released its first official footage of the fifth-generation stealth aircraft, the PAK FA Sukhoi T-50.

The government unveiled the montage of its prized stealth fighters launching from an aircraft carrier's ski-jump ramp, along with several other aircraft such as the MiG-29KUB naval fighter and the Su-35S.
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 12:51:20 PM EST
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Like to see it go up against a Raptor.
I bet F-35 would school it though.  Or even an F15.
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 12:52:33 PM EST
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Gen 4.5++ fighter.
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 12:56:43 PM EST
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I, for one, look forward to 5th generation eject gifs.

Link Posted: 8/19/2016 12:59:07 PM EST
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In great soviet russian tradition, this appears to be a bad, enlarged copy of a US design.
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:08:33 PM EST
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Jeez they sure like to expose a crap ton of engine to the outside of the airframe! Holy heat signature Batman!
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:09:43 PM EST
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Is that a model on a string ?






She is pretty.
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:11:25 PM EST
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The F22 would club it like a baby seal.


One of the biggest advantages that the US and Israel fighters have over Combloc/Combloc trained countries is pilot autonomy; not being tied to central control.



 

Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:12:54 PM EST
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That's exactly what I was thinking
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:14:31 PM EST
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I wonder what it looks like if it were to crash at an airshow.  Survey says... we will see soon enough!

Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:15:47 PM EST
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They even copied the engine smoke from the F4 Phantom.

 
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:16:13 PM EST
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Russia has released the first official footage of its new 5th-generation fighter

David Choi
Aug. 16, 2016, 7:35 PM

In honor of Russian Aerospace Force Day, the Russian Ministry of Defense has released its first official footage of the fifth-generation stealth aircraft, the PAK FA Sukhoi T-50.

The government unveiled the montage of its prized stealth fighters launching from an aircraft carrier's ski-jump ramp, along with several other aircraft such as the MiG-29KUB naval fighter and the Su-35S.
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I watched the video, and didn't see a T-50 doing a carrier launch.

I'm beginning to rethink my plan of solely sourcing my military aviation information from businessinsider.ru
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:17:53 PM EST
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This.

Gotta love that massive IR and radar signature likely pouring from its tailpipes.

I'm a sucker for the Su 27/35 series though. Pretty sexy jets.
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:19:58 PM EST
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About that...







 
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:20:12 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:22:42 PM EST
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DAH! MAKE BIGGER!
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:24:13 PM EST
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That's exactly what I was thinking
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That's exactly what I was thinking



Only, you must think in Russian.
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:26:16 PM EST
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So it's an enlarged version of the what the ChiComs found out about the F-35 and then decided to share with the Russians?

They better start looking into a S-600.
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:27:10 PM EST
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I'd bet that thing is huge on our radars.  The engines alone look like they were not designed from the ground up with LO in mind.
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:29:25 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:29:48 PM EST
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You noticed that too, eh?  

There are some cool shots in it though.  The Bear coming through the cloud layer was a great shot.

But man, those oxygen masks and Kamovs look downright archaic.
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:30:28 PM EST
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I watched the video, and didn't see a T-50 doing a carrier launch.

I'm beginning to rethink my plan of solely sourcing my military aviation information from businessinsider.ru
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https://media.giphy.com/media/l0MYwBjJJbKgYSaZ2/giphy.gif

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Russia has released the first official footage of its new 5th-generation fighter

David Choi
Aug. 16, 2016, 7:35 PM

In honor of Russian Aerospace Force Day, the Russian Ministry of Defense has released its first official footage of the fifth-generation stealth aircraft, the PAK FA Sukhoi T-50.

The government unveiled the montage of its prized stealth fighters launching from an aircraft carrier's ski-jump ramp, along with several other aircraft such as the MiG-29KUB naval fighter and the Su-35S.

I watched the video, and didn't see a T-50 doing a carrier launch.

I'm beginning to rethink my plan of solely sourcing my military aviation information from businessinsider.ru



I was gonna point that out. All  I saw the T50 do was swerve drunkenly. That must be the test step they are at in the development program, "Drunken Russian Swerving"
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:33:07 PM EST
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Needs MOAR truck nuts since it has those smoky-ass Russian turbofans.
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:33:15 PM EST
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I cant see the fishing line holding it up.



Bravo, Russia.
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:33:34 PM EST
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I'd bet that thing is huge on our radars.  The engines alone look like they were not designed from the ground up with LO in mind.
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I believe engines have been a rolling clusterfuck, as of last year they were using Su-35 engines and promising to fit super awesome Russia stronk game changer engines, eventually.

 
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:33:47 PM EST
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I was gonna point that out. All  I saw the T50 do was swerve drunkenly. That must be the test step they are at in the development program, "Drunken Russian Swerving"
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https://media.giphy.com/media/l0MYwBjJJbKgYSaZ2/giphy.gif

Read the article.


Russia has released the first official footage of its new 5th-generation fighter

David Choi
Aug. 16, 2016, 7:35 PM

In honor of Russian Aerospace Force Day, the Russian Ministry of Defense has released its first official footage of the fifth-generation stealth aircraft, the PAK FA Sukhoi T-50.

The government unveiled the montage of its prized stealth fighters launching from an aircraft carrier's ski-jump ramp, along with several other aircraft such as the MiG-29KUB naval fighter and the Su-35S.

I watched the video, and didn't see a T-50 doing a carrier launch.

I'm beginning to rethink my plan of solely sourcing my military aviation information from businessinsider.ru



I was gonna point that out. All  I saw the T50 do was swerve drunkenly. That must be the test step they are at in the development program, "Drunken Russian Swerving"

Redundant statement is redundant
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:34:50 PM EST
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I see they still haven't fitted the correct engines....been years now.
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:34:58 PM EST
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Bro, these threads ain't fun unless you talk shit.
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:35:38 PM EST
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So how much did the Clintons profit from sharing the F22/35 engineering with Ivan?

Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:37:13 PM EST
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My understanding is a lot of the Russians engine tech came from Ukraine.

I doubt that is happening now.
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:40:36 PM EST
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Everything Russia makes sucks and we don't have to worry about any of it especially when FHRC makes our military great again.
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:41:45 PM EST
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Serious question to some of our arfcom pilots.

What is the difference in training between our F - pilots vs. Russian?

Also, in a dogfight scenario how would they stack up against our F-35s / F-22s?  I realize they are alot of variables and the limits of their aircraft are probably not that widely known...

Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:42:29 PM EST
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Bro, these threads ain't fun unless you talk shit.
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+87
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:44:08 PM EST
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Dah!  Bigger means more stealth!
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:44:18 PM EST
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Serious question to some of our arfcom pilots.

What is the difference in training between our F - pilots vs. Russian?

Also, in a dogfight scenario how would they stack up against our F-35s / F-22s?  I realize they are alot of variables and the limits of their aircraft are probably not that widely known...

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In raw talent, probably not much. The Russians can turn out talented and capable pilots.

Unfortunately they can not afford to give them much in the way of training time or flight hours.

We devote something like 4-5 times as many flight hours to our pilots for training, and we have a much more mature aggressor training regimen.
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:45:24 PM EST
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This is what happens when you allow china to steal your intellectual property without consequences.
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 1:48:23 PM EST
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Thing's already smoking
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 2:02:21 PM EST
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No kidding....like the MIG with Rolls Royce engine
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 2:04:17 PM EST
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The Chinese too.



 
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 2:09:44 PM EST
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My understanding is a lot of the Russians engine tech came from Ukraine.

I doubt that is happening now.
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My understanding is a lot of the Russians engine tech came from Ukraine.

I doubt that is happening now.


Interesting.  Without the correct engines, it is just a big ole jet with little to offer over much older models in the inventory.
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 2:10:27 PM EST
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Flat spin in 3...2.....1
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 2:11:39 PM EST
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It's probably a bag of shite but it looks cool as fuck
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 2:12:05 PM EST
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Have you ever seen anything Russian that did not smoke? Here is a hint if it is not smoking check if for a pulse or see if it is not broken down or being stripped for parts.
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 2:23:23 PM EST
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Did I make it in before an airshow takes it out?
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In raw talent, probably not much. The Russians can turn out talented and capable pilots.



Unfortunately they can not afford to give them much in the way of training time or flight hours.



We devote something like 4-5 times as many flight hours to our pilots for training, and we have a much more mature aggressor training regimen.
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Serious question to some of our arfcom pilots.



What is the difference in training between our F - pilots vs. Russian?



Also, in a dogfight scenario how would they stack up against our F-35s / F-22s?  I realize they are alot of variables and the limits of their aircraft are probably not that widely known...







In raw talent, probably not much. The Russians can turn out talented and capable pilots.



Unfortunately they can not afford to give them much in the way of training time or flight hours.



We devote something like 4-5 times as many flight hours to our pilots for training, and we have a much more mature aggressor training regimen.




This, and what I put above about our pilots not being tied to centralized control. I've heard we may give our pilots even more than the 4-5 times as many flight hours.



 

Link Posted: 8/19/2016 2:52:48 PM EST
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I wonder if they will be able to crash two in the same day  
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 2:53:33 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/19/2016 3:07:28 PM EST
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All through that video I was expecting to hear a Russkie Kenny Loggins rendition.
Link Posted: 8/19/2016 3:22:49 PM EST
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