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GA, USA
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Posted: 2/14/2008 11:43:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BoHeck]
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I am a supervisor at UPS and deal alot with what we can and cannot let go through the system, there are two classes of ORM-D: consumer commodity, like nail polish and small arms cartridges. In order to ship ammo you need to have the sticker. DO NOT try to just draw your own on the box, while HE decided that HE would accept there does not mean that some stickler for policy in the next center is going to accept it when he sees your box with hand drawn ammo labels on it going down the belt. It's much much easier to just print out the label from this sticky and slap it on there and know youre good that to draw your own and HOPE no one notices. UPS does have very strict policies when it comes to hazmat and ORM-D stuff and drawing your own labels for stuff that you can be held legally accountable for is just not very smart. Save yourself a potential headache and print it out... ETA - You can also STAMP it on to the box. Georgia Arms does this, perfectly fine. I guess if you could draw as good as a stamp, you could get by but still don't see how that's easier than printing off the label that's in this thread. |
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MA, USA
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Posted: 2/16/2008 10:00:05 AM EDT
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A question about proper labeling: Does the "ORM-D" label also have to have "CARTRIDGES, SMALL ARMS" printed on it? Would it be possible just to use "ORM-D"? It seems to me that by providing the additional details about actual contents in plain language may only be asking for trouble. Does anyone have experience with UPS suggesting the "ORM-D" label alone is enough, that UPS will accept that? Please tell us your experience. Thanks!
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Posted: 2/16/2008 9:05:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: brillo]
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Not sure if UPS lets it slide, but the code is clear - it needs the additional info: 49 CFR 172.316 - ". . . must be marked on at least one side or end with the ORM-D designation immediately following or below the proper shipping name of the material. CFR 172.101 defines the proper shipping name. |
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Posted: 2/19/2008 5:03:35 PM EDT
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I can not find anything on shipping to NY state. Could anyone here help?
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/20/2008 8:29:47 PM EDT
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You don't need a shipping label marked ORMD to ship UPS. I just talked to Hazmat and you will need to print cartridges small arms then draw a rectangle and print ORMD inside the rectangle. I would reccomend using a bold black sharpy and make it fairly large.
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Posted: 2/26/2008 4:40:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: shogun187]
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I just shipped 840 rounds of SA through UPS. No issues at all. She just made sure it was below 66 pounds and told me to put a few ORM-D stickers on, and I was good to go. And for those who are really thrifty, I googled "ORM-D labels" and found a good example to save to my desktop. Then I just printed them out on regular paper and put them on the box with scotch tape.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/27/2008 6:15:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: yoteman58]
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Shipped 600 rounds of 308 tonight. Had to argue with the guy at the counter. I told him he was wrong and he went off pointing at all these signs about shipping explosives, etc. I informed him these were small cartridges, not explosives. I told him to call UPS HazMat and I started dialing their number on my cell phone. He contacted them before I could reach them. He talked for a few minutes then apologized and told me I was correct and then subsequntly shipped my ammo. He said "learn something new everyday." I told him no bid deal and we shook hands. Done deal.
Thanks to whomever started this thread> I would have been lost without it. 
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PA, USA
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Posted: 3/20/2008 5:01:43 PM EDT
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I'm guessing this is true for blank ammo. Is this true? Thanks.
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Posted: 3/22/2008 2:01:41 PM EDT
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i have a case of ss109's at my friend's house in utah. he's been trying to get it to me for a couple of months now. fedex and UPS give him the runaround every time. finally, UPS took it and said they would ship it to me in Hawaii. well it got to california, where it sat for a week. then they shipped it back to utah.
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Posted: 3/22/2008 2:13:45 PM EDT
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The reason it couldn't go to Hawaii is ORMD freight cannot go by air. I would guess USP don't ocean freight anything. Look for a freight shipping co. Just my thoughts. Good luck. |
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Posted: 3/23/2008 11:16:22 PM EDT
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it CAN go by air. i order from various suppliers around the country, and it comes by air.
the thing is, they accepted it at the UPS center |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2008 3:24:33 AM EDT
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I took 80 rounds of .223 to kinkos in charlottesville and they told me to take it to the main fedex center in town and I could ship from there. I went in and started looking at the boxes and found that they were either to small or to big. The girl working came over and asked what I needed and what I had to ship. I said ammo and she selected a "pouch" and said I could put it in there. She never said anything about special markings or boxes. It cost $12.50 to ship it to Alabama. I hope it makes it.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2008 7:24:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Osp]
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Not without a precipitating event... say, a fire from a collision or catastophic transport accident, maybe intentional tampering or extreme mishandling of the cartridges, but even that would require some level of negligence. As far as discharge from damage, I've seen fork lifts spear a box of ammo, crushing both rim and centerfire rounds, (you'd think a rimfire would go off), run them flat and not one leaves the shell case. I'm happy they don't, but after something like that who woulda thought. hinking.gif |
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USA
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Posted: 4/26/2008 3:02:43 PM EDT
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So ORM-D label and pick up is the best way to go then?
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AK, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2008 12:41:30 PM EDT
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Does anyone have any recommendations for getting ammo shipped to alaska from Utah?
TIA |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/28/2008 7:10:52 PM EDT
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I don't know where some of you are getting shipping rates as low as $25.00?? I have 620rds of .308 to ship it weighs 39lb packaged box is 12" x 10" x 7"and UPS says 47.70 to ship from Fl to Ca.??
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Posted: 6/14/2008 11:17:33 PM EDT
[#17]
Is it illegal to ship ammo to certain states? If so, which ones?
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Posted: 6/15/2008 7:27:24 AM EDT
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I just shipped 5 cases of Yugo, 58 lbs. each (18 x 12 x 4) from IL to VA, $40 each case.
Just printed out the label in this thread in B&W and taped it to the side of the boxes and took it to a UPS center. No problem. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 6/18/2008 9:07:52 PM EDT
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I NEED TO SHIP SOME 7.62X39 TO CAL..
LEGAL??? |
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Posted: 7/15/2008 8:13:57 PM EDT
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legal? anyone? McFLy? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/15/2008 4:03:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mercdank]
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damn so many restrictions
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Posted: 8/18/2008 2:56:43 PM EDT
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I shipped 50rds of .223 and some AR parts right at a UPS store. Asked them for an ORM-D sticker, told them it was ammo and gun parts, they said OK, $12.15. I paid, said thanks and was on my merry way.
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Posted: 9/12/2008 12:37:12 PM EDT
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Here is a link where you can download 3 different colored .pdf files of ORM-D labels.
parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/topic/19328/t/ORM-D-Labels-for-Shipping-Ammo.html Good luck. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2008 4:51:24 PM EDT
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I worked for Federal Express Home Delievery, in Buffalo NY. We had ammo from a major on line retailer come through all the time.
Never heard of any accidental explosions while working there. One time we did have a crate of Wolf 7.62 ammo open and rounds went everywhere. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 10/29/2008 3:09:36 PM EDT
[#25]
Just got back from my 1st "ammo through UPS" experience...
It was painless. I printed a few of the labels off here. Taped the box up good and went to the UPS depot. Woman at the counter said "ammo ?" I said "yup" She replied " I see you even labeled it for me" and I was on my way. Thanks...good thread!!! |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2008 1:11:38 AM EDT
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I received 1K rounds shipped UPS from a sporting goods store that sells ammo, and the box has no mention of ORM-D on it anywhere, just a big sticker of the store's webste on every side. www.(name of the store).com.
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Posted: 11/28/2008 2:05:24 PM EDT
[#27]
Does it have to have signature required?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/4/2008 10:19:44 AM EDT
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Thanks for the info. I put the hasmat # in my phone and needed it. Im in Texas and you would think all the centers have shipped ammo. The lady and her super said it has to go from business to business. Called the number and they got it straight in about 2 min. UPS best check yoself!
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Posted: 12/4/2008 10:23:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Wakko:
Does it have to have signature required? Nope. Just got some 5.56 in a trade for some .308. My ammo was waiting at my door when I got home from work, and when I shipped my ammo, it was an option....but not required. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/30/2008 8:00:50 AM EDT
[#30]
Open a UPS account and pay the $3 to have the driver pick it up at your front door. No debate, they will take it and ship it.
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Posted: 12/30/2008 6:19:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: rickmcaz]
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Just shipped my first ammo with UPS and the biggest lesson learned is keep asking for the next higher supervisor when even the UPS supervisor doesn't know their own rules. This # 800-554-9964 is a big help. Perseverance is a +.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/24/2009 5:54:04 PM EDT
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I shipped 500rds today at the UPS distributin center in Uniontown, PA...
I read up on all the info here,printed my orm-d labels provided here,packaged the ammo accordingly and headed to the ups place.As soon as the lady saw the labels she said "nope,cant ship it". I politely argue with her for a couple minutes and she pointed out the poster on the wall that read "no gunpowder ".I read it and it CLEARLY stated no ammo can be shipped by air.Told her I knew that already  .She got so mad she said she could refuse service to anyone.I asked for her supervisor and put him on the phone with the hazmat people (number provided in this thread).Ammo was shipped via ups and the lady behind the counter is now educated LOL..
Thanks ARFCOM for this helpful thread!!!! |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 3/7/2009 1:00:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ar15gnocchi:
No other shipping services take live ammunition? I have seen people using FedEx as well. Just curious, thanks. I've shipped plenty of ammo via fedex, and spend a lot of time on the phone with them prior to do so. Here is what I found from them & how I use fedex: you have to have a fedex account..period...you cannot ship ammo (legally) without an account, not by dropping it off at a center, not having them pickup. one could, if they chose to violate the law, ship it in unmarked packages, but ask yourself this, "is the risk worth the cost if you get caught? in these days of heightened security, it would be too easy for a package of ammo to be discovered & then you're looking at major fines/imprisonment..not worth it when you can do it legally. Properly mark the boxes with ORM-D labels. I found a place online that has all the graphics needed to print your own-I simply print a couple sheets on the self-adhesive shipping label sheets & cut them out..its a little more work, but for small quantities, it a hell of a lot cheaper Online ORM-D label graphics no haz-mat training or fees are involved in shipping ammo via ground, if shipping air, there are specific fees/marking requirements/paperwork involved, and it truly is a PITA for an individual to do..not impossible, just a real pain, not to mention the hefty fees, ultimately which would be passed on to the customer. using this method, I've shipped several thousand rounds of loaded ammo & not had a single problem. hope this helps a little Jeff |
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Posted: 3/23/2009 8:02:26 PM EDT
[#34]
well shipping ammo just sucks !! today it was have to send it with a adult signature reg when dropped off to house any imput on this one .ps i dont ship very much ammo wow
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2009 6:48:19 AM EDT
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Anyone know if it is legal for rounds to be sent to Puerto Rico? I have a guy there that wants to buy ammo from me and have me send it to PA then someone there will forward it to him in Puerto Rico, he said it would save him shipping costs. Looks like Puerto Rico has some prety strict laws on the NRA site.
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MS, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2009 2:06:10 PM EDT
[#36]
Just some anecdotal evidence here, but since I'm in my local UPS Store (fka Mailboxes Etc.) on a weekly basis I figured I'd give it a shot. It was properly packaged with the ORM-D label. I told the owner working the counter what it was and he hardly batted an eye. Shipped off with no trouble.
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Posted: 4/16/2009 10:55:14 PM EDT
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If you are going to arrange a pick-up of ammo for UPS shipping, just go directly to the Hazardous Shipping Phone number to begin with, it will save you more time and hassel than you can imagine.
   
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2009 9:48:45 AM EDT
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I see some people like on GB asking for proof of age, what would qualify for proof of age?
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2009 2:01:03 PM EDT
[#39]
Any chance of migrating this sticky to somewhere we can all link to it since the ammo exchange is going to the new EE.
I figure the old EE will eventually be taken down or such and no longer readily available to those of us that leach off of this forum withut paying. |
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Posted: 4/26/2009 9:31:41 PM EDT
[#40]
Originally Posted By HABU:
Is it illegal to ship ammo to certain states? If so, which ones? +1 Also, the question about age restrictions and signatures. Do I need to receive proof of age 21 and does the package need to be signed for? |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/28/2009 10:18:22 AM EDT
[#41]
How many sides to you put the ORM-D labels on, just 2 sides or every?
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Posted: 8/28/2009 10:27:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bigdb1]
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I just shipped my first package tonight. The woman at the counter insisted on sending it "adult signature required." It was like arguing with the wall. I finally rolled and handed her the money. Farging have to drive to hell and back to get to a customer center and then I get attitude.
ETA: The first words out of her mouth were "You can't ship that here." At least we got past that.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/4/2009 7:32:45 PM EDT
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Just shipped some the other day at a UPS Customer Center (not a "UPS Store"). I had a box with blue printed ORM-D labels with "consumer commodity" at the top not "Cartridges, small arms" The manager stated UPS Policy requires only a ORM-D label. It does not need a signature upon receipt.
I did have the UPS 800 number for their Haz Mat folks on hand though just in case. MAJOR kudos to the UPS manager for knowing her policy. FYI, if you have ever ordered from the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) their ammo is shipped to the customer with a blue ORM-D sticker with the words "CONSUMER COMMODITY" not "Cartridges Small Arms" at the top. If it's good enough for a congressionaly chartered organization it's good enough for me. No need to place a "steal me" sticker on the outside. |
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Posted: 10/9/2009 11:06:02 AM EDT
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Those are not the correct markings. Ammunition cannot be shipped as a consumer commodity. The correct Proper Shipping Name is Cartridges Small Arms. |
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Posted: 1/7/2010 6:30:44 PM EDT
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I just wanted to ask. I got some ammo from the EE for the first time since I've gotten mags there. So I asked the seller about it being shipped, he said "Ive been out of town so I had my brother ship them for me. You should be receiving them any day. I would send you a tracking number but he sent them out US postal service." Is that even remotely possible?
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Posted: 1/7/2010 10:14:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DefMan:
I just wanted to ask. I got some ammo from the EE for the first time since I've gotten mags there. So I asked the seller about it being shipped, he said "Ive been out of town so I had my brother ship them for me. You should be receiving them any day. I would send you a tracking number but he sent them out US postal service." Is that even remotely possible? Sure. You just don't tell them what's actually in the box. NOT my recommended course of action, but some folks aren't real sticklers for the rules... |
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Posted: 1/14/2010 6:26:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DefMan]
[#47]
ETA: Made a thread in Team.
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Posted: 4/21/2010 9:06:47 PM EDT
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Shipping ammo is just too simple to screw it up.
My steps to ammo shipping success 1) setup a FedEx account online, there is no fee associated with this 2) when ready to ship, go online, process the shipment for "FedEx Home Delivery" and print the label 3) place label in clear packing slip envelope on top of package, do not seal this shut 3a) you may print the FedEx label on Avery 8.5"x11" 2-up label stock and apply to package 4) print four ORM-D labels and apply to 4 sides of the box, be sure to package in decent packaging Here is a gauge as far as cost. About $1.00/lb. YMMV Ok, so I have been in the freight business for 31 years, that may help. Ship safe, use the ORM-D labels. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 6/25/2010 4:47:20 PM EDT
[#49]
Originally Posted By bigdb1:
Originally Posted By DefMan:
I just wanted to ask. I got some ammo from the EE for the first time since I've gotten mags there. So I asked the seller about it being shipped, he said "Ive been out of town so I had my brother ship them for me. You should be receiving them any day. I would send you a tracking number but he sent them out US postal service." Is that even remotely possible? Sure. You just don't tell them what's actually in the box. NOT my recommended course of action, but some folks aren't real sticklers for the rules... My understanding is that it's not illegal to ship USPS, but it violates their regs and policies and most offices will refuse to ship if they know what it is, which they will if it is marked in the manner the law requires. I talked to five different USPS employees and got 5 different answers, sometimes quite conflicting. |
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Posted: 8/28/2010 3:23:01 PM EDT
[#50]
Alright,
So I'm shipping a 2160 round case of 5.45. Can I just put the address label and ORM-D stickers right on the crate (that's how it was shipped to me) and have UPS pick it up at my house? |
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